The last tribe of Israel...

Ken Rank said:

I do as well... it is not biblically and especially historically supported at all. The "Lost Sheep of the House of Israel" has always been speaking about the Northern Kingdom and in particular, the ones who never came back from the Assyrian captivity BUT.... were promised to come back by God. One of the reason the Orthodox do not accept that Yeshua is messiah today is because 2000 years ago he did not bring back these very same exiles. Of course, I think he began the ball rolling of turning our hearts back to the Lord but the coming out of the nations simply precedes the coming Kingdom.

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What time period are you referring to with the phrase "House of Israel"?

Open Heart said:

Jesus never spoke to one of the "lost tribes" in the entire time he was on the planet. You can count the times he spoke to Gentiles on one hand. The only people he really spoke to were Jews, and as he said, it is the sick who need a physician.

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Yeah. Because Jesus only came for the Jews till after He died and they still rejected Him. After His death then He gave the apostles the Holy Spirit in Acts. And all after Hos death.

Do you know the New Testament?

Open Heart said:

How do you get that given that the Dictionary you just quoted stated that it meant Christian (as opposed to Jew)?

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I thought I had said what I am about to say, but maybe I didn't. The word gentile was used in the very first English bibles, hundreds of years ago. So when ethnos (Greek) or goyim (Hebrew) come into English, they were translated (back then) as gentiles and nations predominantly. So, I used two dictionaries in my post that you commented on, one from back in 1828 to give us a better tie to how the word gentile was understood when it was first used in English bibles... and I used the modern Webster's to show how the word has evolved and how we now have a word in our bibles that we define according to the MODERN DEFINITION rather than our it has always been used in our bibles. So.... in 1611... a gentile was a pagan, a heathen, one from any nation not Israel... anyone who wasn't a Jew OR a Christian. In 2017, a gentile is any believer in Jesus who isn't Jewish. You see? Hundreds of years ago a Christian would NEVER been called a gentile, but because the definition has CHANGED, we now embrace being called a pagan (gentile). We are not pagans, we are part of God's Israel, His family.

Open Heart said:

Gentiles is another words for Goyim, which simply means nations -- all the nations apart from Israel. If you are not a Jew, then by default you are a Gentile.

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This reveals part of the issue here, you see Israel as being only Jewish, the bible does not.

Open Heart said:

What interests me is why you want to turn it into a derogatory word, and claim that you are not a Gentile. I find that very odd. Something's not right in Denmark.

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Let's turn back the clock to one day before Yeshua was born. Anyone who wasn't a part of Israel was a gentile... a pagan, a heathen. If you were not part of Israel, then you were BORN gentile, BORN in the nations, BORN to heathen parents because anyone outside of God's Israel were not God's people. Yeshua comes and does what he does and then Paul comes on the scene and he writes in Eph. 2 that they (those in Ephesus) WERE gentiles in the flesh... BORN gentiles. He says of the same people they HAD no hope, WERE not partakers of the covenants of promise, and most importantly, WERE aliens of the Commonwealth of Israel..... ALL PAST TENSE. Then he says, but NOW you who WERE afar off are made near through Christ. Something changed... and then he goes on to say that we are NOW fellow citizens, not aliens of the Commonwealth of Israel but fellow citizens.

So, through Christ we cease being a gentile, cease being a pagan, cease being a heathen... we are now a fellow citizen with Israel. We WERE gentiles we are NOW fellow citizens. A gentile is anyone who isn't part of Israel.... but you.... you came to the God of Israel through the messiah of Israel, that makes you part of Israel.

Open Heart said:

Jesus never spoke to one of the "lost tribes" in the entire time he was on the planet. You can count the times he spoke to Gentiles on one hand. The only people he really spoke to were Jews, and as he said, it is the sick who need a physician.

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I am curious then who you think he was referring to when he said, "I have not come to call the righteous, but rather the sinners unto repentance." Who were the righteous he didn't come to call?

Open Heart said:

Jesus never spoke to one of the "lost tribes" in the entire time he was on the planet. You can count the times he spoke to Gentiles on one hand. The only people he really spoke to were Jews, and as he said, it is the sick who need a physician.

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So?

Open Heart said:

How do you get that given that the Dictionary you just quoted stated that it meant Christian (as opposed to Jew)?

Gentiles is another words for Goyim, which simply means nations -- all the nations apart from Israel. If you are not a Jew, then by default you are a Gentile.

What interests me is why you want to turn it into a derogatory word, and claim that you are not a Gentile. I find that very odd. Something's not right in Denmark.

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The PROMISE to Abraham was what?

I don't know if anyone mentioned this but the "lost tribes"?

Can we review GOD's WORD regarding Solomon's sin and what would happen to the "lost tribes"?

miknik5 said:

I don't know if anyone mentioned this but the "lost tribes"?

Can we review GOD's WORD regarding Solomon's sin and what would happen to the "lost tribes"?

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Yes, the were promised to be called back despite themselves. That is called grace!

miknik5 said:

The PROMISE to Abraham was what?

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• Abraham was to be the father of a great nation, and that is of course, the nation of Israel (Gen. 12:2; 15:5).
• He was promised a Land for his nation; specifically, the land of Canaan (Gen. 12:1, 7; 15:18-21; 17:8).
• Abraham himself was to be greatly blessed (Gen. 12:2b).
• Abraham was to be a blessing to others (Gen. 12:2d).
• Those who bless Israel will be blessed (Gen. 12:3a).
• The one who curses Israel will be cursed (Gen.12:3b).
• In Abraham all will be blessed (Gen. 12:3c).
• Other nations in addition to Israel would come from Abraham (Gen. 17:3 4, 6)
• Circumcision was to be the sign of the covenant (Gen. 17:9-14).

Now the LORD had said to Abram:"Get out of your country, From your family And from your father's house, To a land that I will show you. I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."

1 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying, "Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward."
5 Then He brought him outside and said, "Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be."
7 Then He said to him, "I am the LORD, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it."
8 And he said, "Lord GOD, how shall I know that I will inherit it?"
9 So He said to him, "Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon."
10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two.
12 Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, horror and great darkness fell upon him.
17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces.
18 On the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying: "To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates...

"And I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make you into nations, and kings will emerge from you. And I will establish My covenant between Me and between you and between your seed after you throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant, to be to you for a God and to your seed after you. And I will give you and your seed after you the land of your sojournings, the entire land of Canaan for an everlasting possession, and I will be to them for a God."

BukiRob said:

So?

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So, he came to the Lost Sheep of Israel... it can't be the 10 tribes because he didn't talk to them.

Open Heart said:

So, he came to the Lost Sheep of Israel... it can't be the 10 tribes because he didn't talk to them.

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The JEWS rejected him.
16“And you, son of man, take for yourself one stick and write on it, ‘For Judah and for the sons of Israel, his companions’; then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and all the house of Israel, his companions.’ 17“Then join them for yourself one to another into one stick, that they may become one in your hand. 18“When the sons of your people speak to you saying, ‘Will you not declare to us what you mean by these?’ 19say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will put them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand.”’ 20“The sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes. 21“Say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Behold, I will take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king will be king for all of them; and they will no longer be two nations and no longer be divided into two kingdoms. 23“They will no longer defile themselves with their idols, or with their detestable things, or with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. And they will be My people, and I will be their God.

These are 2 distinctly DIFFERENT groups of people the first group is what are now called JEWS. The second group are the lost sheep of Israel who have been scattered among the nations and UNTIL this is fulfilled they will NOT know who they are.

BukiRob said:

These are 2 distinctly DIFFERENT groups of people the first group is what are now called JEWS. The second group are the lost sheep of Israel who have been scattered among the nations and UNTIL this is fulfilled they will NOT know who they are.

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We see this happening today: the State of Israel has sent researchers all over the world looking for lost Children of Israel. They have found them everywhere from India to Ethiopia. They have a vague memory of their heritage, still follow many of the laws and rituals of ancient Judaism, and most haven't assimilated other religions. They go through a ceremony uniting them to Judaism in full, and can make aliyah to Israel. It is absolutely amazing.

Open Heart said:

We see this happening today: the State of Israel has sent researchers all over the world looking for lost Children of Israel. They have found them everywhere from India to Ethiopia. They have a vague memory of their heritage, still follow many of the laws and rituals of ancient Judaism, and most haven't assimilated other religions. They go through a ceremony uniting them to Judaism in full, and can make aliyah to Israel. It is absolutely amazing.

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I will side with what scripture says of them thank you

BukiRob said:

I will side with what scripture says of them thank you

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So do I.

Open Heart said:

Jesus never spoke to one of the "lost tribes" in the entire time he was on the planet. You can count the times he spoke to Gentiles on one hand. The only people he really spoke to were Jews, and as he said, it is the sick who need a physician.

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Hmmm....what about the Samaritan woman?

Rachel Rachel said:

Hmmm....what about the Samaritan woman?

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Not only that, but Yeshua's mission was to get the ball rolling. He came, he taught, he led by example... and then he sent those he trained out on a mission... a mission that continues to this day. So he did talk to the Samaritan woman and that makes her from the "lost sheep," but just because he didn't speak solely to Israel doesn't mean the weight of his mission wasn't on Israel. He said, "I have not been sent BUT... to the lost sheep of the House of Israel." And when it came time to send out his disciples, he sent them "to the lost sheep of the House of Israel." Clearly, this is where the weight was placed.

Rachel Rachel said:

Hmmm....what about the Samaritan woman?

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Sure. You can count on one hand the number of Gentiles he spoke to. Compare to the multitudes of Jews.

"Sure. You can count on one hand the number of Gentiles he spoke to. Compare to the multitudes of Jews."

That actually isn't true. He stayed and preached to the town for 2 days. That must have been more than a handful of Gentiles.

Open Heart said:

Sure. You can count on one hand the number of Gentiles he spoke to. Compare to the multitudes of Jews.

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That has nothing to do with it sis... he lived in Judea and the message began there and went out. His calling was clearly stated to be to the lost sheep of the house of Israel but the events also clearly show that it wouldn't be him who would do this great work... instead, he would chose a group who would follow his lead and take his message into the nations. Hence the great commission to go into the nations... where Israel was...still is as a whole.