Sin is Lawlessness

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Indeed, the man-made works of law are not of faith in God, but obedience to God's commands is about demonstrating our faith in Him about how we should live, so God's Law is of faith. As Jesus said in Matthew 23:23, faith is one of the weightier aspects of the Law.
Matthew 23:23...doesn't say the law is of faith.
I'll have to stick with Gal. 3:12 "and the law is not of faith."
The meaning that comes to mind is ....that we find faith revealed on the scene...when Christ...enters the world.
The law...was done by human effort...and humans couldnt keep the law because their flesh was weak...The promise of blessings was through faith not the law.......and God fulfilled his promise through the seed of Abraham...which was Christ...
 
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Matthew 23:23...doesn't say the law is of faith.
I'll have to stick with Gal. 3:12 "and the law is not of faith."
The meaning that comes to mind is ....that we find faith revealed on the scene...when Christ...enters the world.
The law...was done by human effort...and humans couldnt keep the law because their flesh was weak...The promise of blessings was through faith not the law.......and God fulfilled his promise through the seed of Abraham...which was Christ...
corinth,
Galatians was written to counter trying to obtain salvation, or to obtain more perfect standing with God, by keeping the law.
We are not made perfect in any way, by the law. We are not justified by Law.

However, God's law stands forever. Until heaven and earth pass, not one jot or one tittle can in any wise pass.

How do we reconcile those two?
In Christ.

Christ IS our Passover Lamb.
Christ IS our Sabbath Rest.
Christ IS our clean meat.
Christ IS our continual festival.

All those ceremonial laws pointed to Christ, in types and shadows.
But the moral code... it's still the revelation of what's right and wrong.

God doesn't save us from sin by the blood of Christ, just to let us make up our own rules of right and wrong from that point on.
If we truly love God... If we are truly born again, and made new creatures... we will WANT to be holy before God!

And thus, we will pursue God, by walking after the Spirit.
And "the righteousness of the law is fullfilled in them that walk after the Spirit."
What standard of righteousness is fulfilled in us? The standard revealed in the Law.

Because God doesn't change. What He once hated, He will always hate. What He once said was good behavior, will always be good behavior.
He wouldn't say something is an abomination to Him once, and then tell his adopted children that they can go ahead and do that thing He hates!

There is so much we still go to the Psalms for, as Christians... and then, there's so much we just throw out, because of wrong teaching. The very first Psalm for instance. "Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standing in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the LAW of the Lord, and in His LAW doth he meditate day and night."

We want to be blessed. We would do well to learn the moral code of the Law, and learn what our Father loves, and what He hates. Just because we want to snuggle up to his heart!
 
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Matthew 23:23...doesn't say the law is of faith.
I'll have to stick with Gal. 3:12 "and the law is not of faith."
The meaning that comes to mind is ....that we find faith revealed on the scene...when Christ...enters the world.
The law...was done by human effort...and humans couldnt keep the law because their flesh was weak...The promise of blessings was through faith not the law.......and God fulfilled his promise through the seed of Abraham...which was Christ...

It can't be both true that the Law is not of faith and that faith is one of the most important aspects of the Law. God said that what He commanded was for His people's own good (Deuteronomy 6:24), so those who believed what God said and lived accordingly were straightforwardly living by faith in Him about how they should live. So if Jesus said one thing and you think that Paul said the opposite, then when it comes down to it are you a follower of Jesus or of Paul? However it does not need to come down to that because Paul was not speaking about God's Law not being in faith, but about man-made works of law not being of faith.

It has always been a fundamental misunderstanding of God's law to think that it was about human effort rather than about demonstrating our faith in God about how we should live, about demonstrating of love for God, and thereby growing in a relationship with Him based on faith and love. We could not keep God's Law because it was weakened by the flesh, so the problem was not with God's righteous standard, but with what was preventing us from living according to it. So God made a New Covenant where he would take away our hearts of stone, give us hearts of flesh, send His Spirit to cause us to obey His Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), where he would put His Law in our minds and write it on our hearts so that we will obey it (Jeremiah 31:33), and where he would send His Son to give himself to redeem us from all lawlessness (Titus 2:14), so that we could be no longer hindered from obeying it so that we might meet its righteous requirement (Romans 8:3-4). The Law was never given as a means of receiving the promise, but as instructions for what we should obey by faith because we have faith in the promise.
 
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It can't be both true that the Law is not of faith and that faith is one of the most important aspects of the Law. God said that what He commanded was for His people's own good (Deuteronomy 6:24), so those who believed what God said and lived accordingly were straightforwardly living by faith in Him about how they should live. So if Jesus said one thing and you think that Paul said the opposite, then when it comes down to it are you a follower of Jesus or of Paul? However it does not need to come down to that because Paul was not speaking about God's Law not being in faith, but about man-made works of law not being of faith.

It has always been a fundamental misunderstanding of God's law to think that it was about human effort rather than about demonstrating our faith in God about how we should live, about demonstrating of love for God, and thereby growing in a relationship with Him based on faith and love. We could not keep God's Law because it was weakened by the flesh, so the problem was not with God's righteous standard, but with what was preventing us from living according to it. So God made a New Covenant where he would take away our hearts of stone, give us hearts of flesh, send His Spirit to cause us to obey His Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), where he would put His Law in our minds and write it on our hearts so that we will obey it (Jeremiah 31:33), and where he would send His Son to give himself to redeem us from all lawlessness (Titus 2:14), so that we could be no longer hindered from obeying it so that we might meet its righteous requirement (Romans 8:3-4). The Law was never given as a means of receiving the promise, but as instructions for what we should obey by faith because we have faith in the promise.

But according to Galatians it is true...for scripture declares in Galatians "the law is not of faith" How could they have kept it by the faith of Christ if he'd yet to die?

"Anything that is not of faith is sin"...and here is a case where "of"....I believe should be "through"...but that's my opinion
For everything is made through him..
That is one reason He is the Justifier of man.
My other opinion is-The law is not kept through faith...its upheld /established
Through faith...true meaning is given when first the heart is clean so that the outside works of the flesh, then are too......

The way to have life Is Christ not the law...
Life is the key.......the law pointed out sin...
Through Christ is The Way!...
 
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KEEP your EYES FOCUSED only on JESUS the Christ and HIS LAWS-LIFE-PRECEPTS-COMMANDMENTS
Not the Mosaic Law, Not the miracles of Elijah, Not the Old Testament
...ONLY on the PERSON of JESUS the CHRIST, the DIVINE MESSIAH, The GOD-MAN

1. Jesus confirmed 9 of the 10 OT Commandments and fulfilled the Mosaic Law!...Man cannot keep the LAW!

2. He gave us The SUPER 2 Commandments...

A. LOVE GOD...confirmed Exodus 20 ....Deuteronomy 5

B. LOVE NEIGHBOR AS SELF...see e.g....Luke 10

3. And He gave us NEW Commandments / Precepts

A. John 15:12 (B.)...Love each other as I have loved you. = Jesus' COMMANDMENT...Vine and the branches

John 15:
"I am the vine; you are the branches.
If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit;
apart from me you can do nothing....
"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love.
If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love,
just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in His love.
I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete.
My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

B. Mark 8...Jesus' demands on His followers...
34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said:
"If anyone would come after me, he must
deny himself, (Put God and others before self) and
take up his cross, (sacrifice of self)
and follow me. (keep precepts / examples)
35 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it,
but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it.
36 What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?
37 Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?
38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels."(Second Coming)
 
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But according to Galatians it is true...for scripture declares in Galatians "the law is not of faith" How could they have kept it by the faith of Christ if he'd yet to die?

Galatians 3:10-12 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”


The Book of the Law speaks about the faith of Abraham, the faith of everyone in Hebrews 11 who lived in obedience to God's commands, and the faith of the Israelites, so our faith upholds the Book of the Law and the Book of the Law is of faith. "Faith" is synonymous with "trust", so obedience to the Book of the Law is trusting God to guide is how we should live and trusting that His commands are for our own good. In contrast, the works of law are the man-made oral laws, rulings, traditions, and fences of the Pharisees that they were teaching that Gentiles needed to obey in order to become saved, so they are not of faith, and no one who relies on them is justified before God. Anyone who relies on works of the law is under a curse because they are failing to live by faith in God and therefore failing to do everything written in the Book of the Law.

"Anything that is not of faith is sin"...and here is a case where "of"....I believe should be "through"...but that's my opinion
For everything is made through him..
That is one reason He is the Justifier of man.
My other opinion is-The law is not kept through faith...its upheld /established
Through faith...true meaning is given when first the heart is clean so that the outside works of the flesh, then are too......

But that is what is mean by saying that the Law is kept through faith.

The way to have life Is Christ not the law...
Life is the key.......the law pointed out sin...
Through Christ is The Way!...

In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that if we want to enter life, then obey the commandments, so the way to have life is in Christ through obedience to the Law by grace through faith. It is true that the Law pointed out how to avoid sin, but it also pointed out how to do what is holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), or in other words, how to rightly live before God. The Law is the way (Exodus 18:20, Deuteronomy 5:33, Deuteronomy 8:6, Deuteronomy 26:16-17, Deuteronomy 28:9, Isaiah 2:3, Jeremiah 6:16-19, Psalms 119:1, Matthew 3:3, Matthew 22:16), the truth (Psalms 119:142, Psalms 119:151, John 17:17), and the life (Proverbs 13:14, Matthew 19:17, Deuteronomy 30:15-20), Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6), the Law is God's Word, and Messiah is God's Word made flesh, so trying to separate following one from following the other will leave you with only half the truth. Messiah was sinless, so he set a perfect example example of how to walk in obedience to the Law and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:3-6), so obedience to the Law is the way of Christ.
 
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KEEP your EYES FOCUSED only on JESUS the Christ and HIS LAWS-LIFE-PRECEPTS-COMMANDMENTS
Not the Mosaic Law, Not the miracles of Elijah, Not the Old Testament
...ONLY on the PERSON of JESUS the CHRIST, the DIVINE MESSIAH, The GOD-MAN

Jesus was sinless, so even if he had said nothing, then he would have taught how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law by example, and as his disciples we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), and to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:3-6), so I see no good reason to think the Law of Christ was anything other than the Mosaic Law as he taught it by word and as he lived it out by example.

1. Jesus confirmed 9 of the 10 OT Commandments and fulfilled the Mosaic Law!

Jesus said that he came only to do the Father's will (John 6:38) and that his teachings were not his own, but that of the Father (John 7:16), so I likewise see nothing to suggest that he was in disagreement with what the Father had commanded and that he was going off on his own to teach his own thing through just the commands that he confirmed. Rather, he said that not the least part would disappear from the Law until heaven and earth disappeared and all is accomplished (Matthew 5:18), which is essentially saying that it will never happen. Psalms 119:160 says that all of God's righteous laws are eternal, so he did not need to confirm any of them. Furthermore, he gave a warning to all those who would relax the least of the commands or teach others to do the same (Matthew 5:19).

See post #20 earlier in this thread in regard to what it means to fulfill the Law:

Sin is Lawlessness

...Man cannot keep the LAW!

With God, nothing is impossible.

2. He gave us The SUPER 2 Commandments...

A. LOVE GOD...confirmed Exodus 20 ....Deuteronomy 5

B. LOVE NEIGHBOR AS SELF...see e.g....Luke 10

Jesus was not asked about what two commands should be obeyed to the exclusion of others, but about what the two greatest commands were. All of the 613 commands of the OT and 1,050 commands of the NT can and have been summarized as instructions for how to love God and for how to love our neighbor, so we should not take a summary of the commands as an excuse to disregard any of them. All of the other commands hang on the greatest two, so they are examples or the explanation for how to correctly obey the greatest two commands, and through obey them we are obeying the greatest two.

3. And He gave us NEW Commandments / Precepts

A. John 15:12 (B.)...Love each other as I have loved you. = Jesus' COMMANDMENT...Vine and the branches

John 15:
"I am the vine; you are the branches.
If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit;
apart from me you can do nothing....
"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love.
If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love,
just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in His love.
I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete.
My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

B. Mark 8...Jesus' demands on His followers...
34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said:
"If anyone would come after me, he must
deny himself, (Put God and others before self) and
take up his cross, (sacrifice of self)
and follow me. (keep precepts / examples)
35 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it,
but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it.
36 What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?
37 Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?
38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels."(Second Coming)

Jesus was born under the Law and according to Deuteronomy 4:2, it is a sin to add to or subtract from God's Law, so by suggesting that he added his own commands, you are suggesting that he sinned, that he needed to repent, and that he could not even save himself from his own sin much less everyone else. The OT commands us to love our neighbor (Leviticus 19:18), so there was nothing brand new about his command, but what was new was the quality of the example by which we are to love our neighbor, as Christ loved us, rather than as we love ourselves. Indeed, the Greek word for "new" refers to newness with respect to quality rather than with respect to time.
 
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corinth,
Galatians was written to counter trying to obtain salvation, or to obtain more perfect standing with God, by keeping the law.
We are not made perfect in any way, by the law. We are not justified by Law.

According to Isaiah 45:25, all Israel will be saved, so some Jews incorrectly that that meant Gentiles needed to become Jews in order to become saved, which mean going through the process of becoming a Jewish proselyte involving circumcision, and which meant joining the group of people who agreed at Sinai to do everything that Moses said (Exodus 20:19, Deuteronomy 5:22-28). By the 1st century, those who had this power to make authoritative interpretations of Law got passed down to them were referred to as sitting in Moses' seat (Matthew 23:2-4) and it had become a large body of Jewish oral laws, rulings, traditions, and fences, which Jesus described as placing a heavy burden on the people. So by agreeing to become circumcised, Gentiles were agreeing to become Jews and to live as Jews according to all of the oral laws of the Pharisees, and doing all this in order to become saved, and this was the issue that was being discussed in Acts 15:1 and the problem that the Galatians were facing. We can know that they were discussing a man-made requirement because while God's Law does require circumcision as a sign of the covenant, it does not require all Gentiles to become circumcised or even Jews to become circumcised for the specific purpose of becoming saved.

So the issue in Galatians was not that they were trying to obtain salvation by obeying God's Law, but that they were trying to obtain salvation through the Pharisees' works of law. God's Law was never given as a means to obtain salvation, so it is that much more true for man-made laws.

However, God's law stands forever. Until heaven and earth pass, not one jot or one tittle can in any wise pass.

Agreed.

How do we reconcile those two?
In Christ.

Christ IS our Passover Lamb.
Christ IS our Sabbath Rest.
Christ IS our clean meat.
Christ IS our continual festival.

All those ceremonial laws pointed to Christ, in types and shadows.
But the moral code... it's still the revelation of what's right and wrong.

God doesn't save us from sin by the blood of Christ, just to let us make up our own rules of right and wrong from that point on.
If we truly love God... If we are truly born again, and made new creatures... we will WANT to be holy before God!

Just as we can't become righteous by doing what is righteous, we can't become holy by doing what is holy, but rather we are to do what is righteous and holy because God has made us righteous and holy. God has made us holy, so we should want to follow His instructions for how to have a holy conduct, and indeed we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy in 1 Peter 1:13-16, which is a reference to Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct. For example, one of the ways that we can act according to the holiness of our God is by refraining from eating unclean animals (Leviticus 11:44-45). It should also be relatively straightforward that having a holy conduct involves keeping God's holy days. Christ brought full meaning to Passover as our Passover Lamb and all of God's Feasts are extremely rich with teachings about him and about God's revealed plan of redemption, so he made it all the more important to continue to rehearse them now that he has shed light upon them.

If morality is on in regard to man's relationship with man and not man's relationship with God, then the first four of the Ten Commandments are not moral laws, including the law against idolatry. However, if morality is also in regard to man's relationship with God, then all of God's laws are moral laws. Morality is based on God's character, it is in regard to what we ought to do, and we ought to obey God, so all of God's laws are inherently moral laws and He has given no law that is not immoral to disobey.

And thus, we will pursue God, by walking after the Spirit.
And "the righteousness of the law is fullfilled in them that walk after the Spirit."
What standard of righteousness is fulfilled in us? The standard revealed in the Law.

Because God doesn't change. What He once hated, He will always hate. What He once said was good behavior, will always be good behavior.
He wouldn't say something is an abomination to Him once, and then tell his adopted children that they can go ahead and do that thing He hates!

There is so much we still go to the Psalms for, as Christians... and then, there's so much we just throw out, because of wrong teaching. The very first Psalm for instance. "Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standing in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the LAW of the Lord, and in His LAW doth he meditate day and night."

We want to be blessed. We would do well to learn the moral code of the Law, and learn what our Father loves, and what He hates. Just because we want to snuggle up to his heart!

Agreed.
 
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Jesus fulfilled/finished/ended the Law of Moses. Jesus Christ fulfilled/finished/ended the Law of Moses/OT by His birth, life, and death on the cross.

Luke 24:44
Then he said to them, “These are my words which I spoke to you, while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and the psalms must be fulfilled.” rsv

John 19:28-30
After this Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfil the scripture), “I thirst.” A bowl full of vinegar stood there; so they put a sponge full of the vinegar on hyssop and held it to his mouth. When Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished”; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. rsv


Romans 7:6
But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit. rsv

1 Corinthians 9:20
To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the lawthough not being myself under the law—that I might win those under the law. rsv

Galatians 4:3-6
3 So with us; when we were children, we were slaves to the elemental spirits of the universe. 4 But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” rsv

Galatians 3:23-26
23 Now before faith came, we were confined under the law, kept under restraint until faith should be revealed. 24 So that the law was our custodian until Christ came, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a custodian; 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. rsv


Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.

The Law of Jesus Christ was taught to His apostles/disciples while He was on earth and also through the Holy Spirit after He ascended to be with His Father. All Christians are now under the Law of Christ.

We must obey Jesus' commandments while we are on earth until we die if we want to inherit/enter into eternal life with God after we die.

1 Corinthians 9:21

To those outside the law I became as one outside the law—not being without law toward God but under the law of Christ—that I might win those outside the law.

2 Corinthians 9:13

Under the test of this service, you will glorify God by your obedience in acknowledging the gospel of Christ, and by the generosity of your contribution for them and for all others; rsv

2 Corinthians 10:5
We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, rsv

1 Peter 1:1-2a
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappado′cia, Asia, and Bithyn′ia, 2 chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood:To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappado′cia, Asia, and Bithyn′ia, 2 chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: rsv

Matthew 19:16-19
16 And behold, one came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?” 17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to him, “Which?” And Jesus said, “You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, 19 Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” rsv

Luke 10:25-28
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? How do you read?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have answered right; do this, and you will live.” rsv
 
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Feel free to interact with post #20 of this thread in regard to what it means to fulfill the Law:

Sin is Lawlessness

Jesus fulfilled/finished/ended the Law of Moses. Jesus Christ fulfilled/finished/ended the Law of Moses/OT by His birth, life, and death on the cross.
The Law of Moses is God's Word and Jesus is God's Word made flesh, so he is the living embodiment of God's Law, and to do away with God's Word would be to do away with himself.

John 19:28-30
After this Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfil the scripture), “I thirst.” A bowl full of vinegar stood there; so they put a sponge full of the vinegar on hyssop and held it to his mouth. When Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished”; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. rsv

Jesus was referring to his redemptive work on the cross, not to doing away with God's righteous standard. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Christ gave himself to redeem us from the Law, but to redeem us from all Lawlessness in order to purify for himself a people who are zealous for doing good works, and the Mosaic Law is God's instructions for how to do good works (2 Timothy 3:16-17, Acts 21:20).

Romans 7:6
But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit. rsv

In Romans 7, Paul said that God Law is holy, righteous, and good (7:12), that it is the good that he sought to do (7:13-20), the good that he delighted in doing (7:22), and the good that he served with his mind (7:25), but contrasted it with the law of sin that came about to increase trespasses (5:20), that stirred up sin to bear fruit unto death (7:5), that held him captive (7:6), that gave sin its power over him (7:8), that caused him not to do the good that he wanted to do (7:13-20), that held him captive (7:23), and that he served with his flesh (7:25). So in Romans 7:6, Paul was speaking about being set free from the law of sin that held him captive so that he would be free to serve God through following His commands by the leading of the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 9:20
To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the lawthough not being myself under the law—that I might win those under the law. rsv

1 Corinthians 9:21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.

Paul said in the very next verse that he was not outside of God's Law, so it clearly has not dead, and he used in a parallel statement with being under the law of Christ, so they both are referring to the same thing.

Galatians 3:23-26
23 Now before faith came, we were confined under the law, kept under restraint until faith should be revealed. 24 So that the law was our custodian until Christ came, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a custodian; 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. rsv

Having no more need for a tutor is not at all the same as having no more need for what the tutor taught us. A student does not move on to 2nd grade by forgetting everything they were taught in 1st grade, but rather their new teacher builds upon what they were taught previously. Similarly, someone does not move on to algebra by forgetting everything that they learned about addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division, and if they did forget those things, then they would need to go back for a remedial education. Christ was sinless, so he set a perfect example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:3-6). So now that he has come, we have perfect example to follow and a better teacher, but the subject is still how to correctly walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law. Furthermore, we now have the Spirit who has the role of leading us in obedience to the Mosaic Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27)

If are particular action were acting according to God's righteousness before Christ, but after he came that action was no longer according to God's righteousness, then God's righteousness has changed, but God's righteousness is eternal and does not change, which is the same for all of God's righteous laws (Psalms 119:160).

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.

Romans 10:4 Christ is the goal of the Law, which leads to righteousness for all who have faith in God.

According to John 5:46, Jesus said that Moses wrote about him, according to Luke 24:27, Jesus interpreted to them from all of Scripture the things concerning himself, and in Hebrews 10:7, it says that the volume of the scroll is written about him, so the Law is entirely about him, it is pointed at or directed towards him, and a relationship with him is the goal at which obedience the Law aims for righteousness for everyone who believes. Prior to Paul's Damascus road experience, he had been keeping the Law without having a focus on his relationship with Messiah, so he had been missing the whole point and considered it to be rubbish (Philippians 3:8).

The Law of Jesus Christ was taught to His apostles/disciples while He was on earth and also through the Holy Spirit after He ascended to be with His Father. All Christians are now under the Law of Christ.

We must obey Jesus' commandments while we are on earth until we die if we want to inherit/enter into eternal life with God after we die.

If Jesus had said nothing, then he still would have taught obedience to the Mosaic Law by example, and we are told to follow his example. However, he taught obedience to the Mosaic Law both by word and by example, so I do not see any reason to think that the Law of Christ is anything other than how he taught to obey the Mosaic Law by word and how he lived it out by example. It is not as though Christ were in disagreement with what the Father commanded, so sinned in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2 by creating his own set of laws.

2 Corinthians 9:13
Under the test of this service, you will glorify God by your obedience in acknowledging the gospel of Christ, and by the generosity of your contribution for them and for all others; rsv

Jesus started his ministry with the Gospel message of needing to repent of our sins for the Kingdom of God is at hand. The Mosaic Law was given to reveal what sin is (Romans 3:20), without it we wouldn't even know what sin is (Romans 7:7), sin is defined as Lawlessness (1 John 3:4), and so the Mosaic Law is the way that the Israelites knew what sin is and what they should be repenting from doing. This means that repenting from our disobedience to the Mosaic Law is a central part of the Gospel of Christ and that we should glorify God through our obedience to His Law.

1 Peter 1:1-2a
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappado′cia, Asia, and Bithyn′ia, 2 chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood:To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappado′cia, Asia, and Bithyn′ia, 2 chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: rsv

Matthew 19:16-19
16 And behold, one came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?” 17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to him, “Which?” And Jesus said, “You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, 19 Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” rsv

Luke 10:25-28
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? How do you read?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have answered right; do this, and you will live.” rsv

These verses all support obedience to the Mosaic Law.
 
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So all of the Law of Moses applies still? Jesus didn't change anything about existence if that's the case.
This is long but answers your question.
THE LAW OF MOSES AND ITS APPLICABILITY TO TODAY
Definition: The laws given to Moses consists of a comprehensive set of guidelines to ensure that the Israelites' behavior reflected their status as God's chosen people.

It encompasses moral behavior, their position as a godly example to other nations, and systematic procedures for acknowledging God's holiness and mankind's sinfulness.
Some of the dietary and cleanliness laws were probably set up by God for health reasons and He may have given them other laws for no other reason than to separate their culture from that of the peoples who lived around them. He wanted a holy, ‘set apart’ people who did not live as other people lived. God also was preparing the Hebrews for the day when He would send His Son to save the world. A major purpose for having a special people like the Hebrews in the first place was to prepare a religious and cultural environment suitable for raising (and later bringing about the sacrificial death of) His Son.
In an attempt to better understand the purpose of these laws, Jews and Christians categorize them. This has led to the distinction between moral law, ceremonial law, and judicial law. Some of the latter two types are time-limited and culture-limited laws rather than universal laws meant to apply to all times and places and peoples. Figuring out which laws are which is then an important task so that we can know if they continue to apply to us.

Moral Law
The moral laws, or mishpatim, relate to justice and judgment and are often translated as "ordinances." These moral laws are said to be based on God's holy nature. As such, the ordinances are holy, just, and unchanging. Their purpose is to promote the welfare of those who obey. The value of the laws is considered obvious by reason and common sense. The moral law encompasses regulations on justice, respect, and sexual conduct, and includes the Ten Commandments. It also includes penalties for failure to obey the ordinances. The moral law does not point people to Christ; it merely illuminates the fallen state of all mankind and ultimately to their need for Christ.
Modern Protestants are divided over the applicability of these kinds of laws in the church age. Some believe that Jesus' assertion that the law will remain in effect until the earth passes away (Matthew 5:18) means that believers are still bound to it. Others, however, understand that Jesus fulfilled this requirement (Matthew 5:17), and that we are instead under the law of Christ (Gal 6:2), which is thought to be "love God and love others" (Matt 22:36-40). Although many of the moral laws in the OT give excellent examples as to how to love God and love others, and the NT teaches that freedom from the law is not license to sin (Romans 6:15), it is clear that we are not specifically bound by the Law.

Ceremonial Law
The ceremonial laws are called hukkim or chuqqah in Hebrew, which literally means “custom of the nation”; the words are often translated as "statutes." These laws are not obvious to common sense; for example, the destruction of perfectly good animals for sacrifice and the rejection of food sources such as pork and rabbit. Instead, these statutes are often symbolic and seem to focus the adherent's attention on God. They include instructions on regaining right standing with God (e.g., sacrifices and other ceremonies regarding "uncleanness"), remembrances of God's work in Israel (e.g., feasts and festivals), specific regulations meant to distinguish Israelites from their pagan neighbors (e.g., dietary and clothing restrictions), and signs that point to the coming Messiah (e.g., the Sabbath, circumcision, Passover, and the redemption of the first-born).
Christians are not bound by ceremonial law. Since the church is not the nation of Israel, memorial festivals, such as the Feast of Weeks and Passover, do not apply. Galatians 3:23-25 explains that since Jesus has come, Christians are not required to sacrifice or circumcise.
There is still debate in Protestant churches over the applicability of the Sabbath. Some say that its inclusion in the Ten Commandments gives it the weight of moral law. Others quote Colossians 2:16-17 and Romans 14:5 to explain that Jesus has fulfilled the Sabbath and become our Sabbath rest. As Romans 14:5 says, "Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." The applicability of the OT law in the life of a Christian has always related to its usefulness in loving God and others. If someone feels observing the Sabbath aids him in this, he is free to observe it.

Judicial/Civil Law
The Westminster Confession adds the category of judicial or civil law. These laws were specifically given for the culture and place of the Israelites and encompass all of the moral law except the Ten Commandments. This includes everything from murder to restitution for a man gored by an ox and the responsibility of the man who dug a pit to rescue his neighbor's trapped donkey (Exodus 21:12-36). Since the Jews saw no difference between their God-ordained morality and their cultural responsibilities, this category is used by Christians far more than by Jewish scholars.
The division of the Jewish law into different categories is a human construct designed to better understand the nature of God and define which laws church-age Christians are still required to follow. Many believe the ceremonial law is not applicable, but we are bound by moral law, particularly the Ten Commandments. All the law is useful for instruction (2 Timothy 3:16), but much in NT verifies that God intended a distinction in categories of the Law. Foods, sacrifices, circumcision, etc. were clearly abolished as requirements for Gentiles; note what was determined at the Council at Jerusalem in Acts 15.

Paul taught that Christians are not under the law (Romans 10:4), certainly not Gentile Christians. Jesus fulfilled the law, thus abolishing the difference between Jew and Gentile "so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross…" (Ephesians 2:15-16). But believers want to please God, so they seek to obey the moral laws, and the Holy Spirit enables them in this regard.
 
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KEEP your EYES FOCUSED only on JESUS the Christ and HIS LAWS-LIFE-PRECEPTS-COMMANDMENTS
Not the Mosaic Law, Not the miracles of Elijah, Not the Old Testament
...ONLY on the PERSON of JESUS the CHRIST, the DIVINE MESSIAH, The GOD-MAN

1. Jesus confirmed 9 of the 10 OT Commandments and fulfilled the Mosaic Law!...Man cannot keep the LAW!

2. He gave us The SUPER 2 Commandments...

A. LOVE GOD...confirmed Exodus 20 ....Deuteronomy 5

B. LOVE NEIGHBOR AS SELF...see e.g....Luke 10

3. And He gave us NEW Commandments / Precepts

A. John 15:12 (B.)...Love each other as I have loved you. = Jesus' COMMANDMENT...Vine and the branches

John 15:
"I am the vine; you are the branches.
If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit;
apart from me you can do nothing....
"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love.
If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love,
just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in His love.
I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete.
My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

B. Mark 8...Jesus' demands on His followers...
34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said:
"If anyone would come after me, he must
deny himself, (Put God and others before self) and
take up his cross, (sacrifice of self)
and follow me. (keep precepts / examples)
35 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it,
but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it.
36 What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?
37 Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?
38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels."(Second Coming)

I sense your freedom
...
Keep them comming
 
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Jesus fulfilled/finished/ended the Law of Moses. Jesus Christ fulfilled/finished/ended the Law of Moses/OT by His birth, life, and death on the cross.

Luke 24:44
Then he said to them, “These are my words which I spoke to you, while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and the psalms must be fulfilled.” rsv

John 19:28-30
After this Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfil the scripture), “I thirst.” A bowl full of vinegar stood there; so they put a sponge full of the vinegar on hyssop and held it to his mouth. When Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished”; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. rsv


Romans 7:6
But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit. rsv

1 Corinthians 9:20
To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the lawthough not being myself under the law—that I might win those under the law. rsv

Galatians 4:3-6
3 So with us; when we were children, we were slaves to the elemental spirits of the universe. 4 But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” rsv

Galatians 3:23-26
23 Now before faith came, we were confined under the law, kept under restraint until faith should be revealed. 24 So that the law was our custodian until Christ came, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a custodian; 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. rsv


Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.

The Law of Jesus Christ was taught to His apostles/disciples while He was on earth and also through the Holy Spirit after He ascended to be with His Father. All Christians are now under the Law of Christ.

We must obey Jesus' commandments while we are on earth until we die if we want to inherit/enter into eternal life with God after we die.

1 Corinthians 9:21

To those outside the law I became as one outside the law—not being without law toward God but under the law of Christ—that I might win those outside the law.

2 Corinthians 9:13

Under the test of this service, you will glorify God by your obedience in acknowledging the gospel of Christ, and by the generosity of your contribution for them and for all others; rsv

2 Corinthians 10:5
We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, rsv

1 Peter 1:1-2a
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappado′cia, Asia, and Bithyn′ia, 2 chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood:To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappado′cia, Asia, and Bithyn′ia, 2 chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: rsv

Matthew 19:16-19
16 And behold, one came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?” 17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to him, “Which?” And Jesus said, “You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, 19 Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” rsv

Luke 10:25-28
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? How do you read?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have answered right; do this, and you will live.” rsv
Thanks for sharing those passages...

Jesus is....the end of the law for righteousness

In my understanding the source of salvation
Has changed
Yet the course of salvation remains.

No man was justified by the law because the flesh of man was weak.

If one gets to be Justified He would have had to come through Christ.

So its not merely the man that looks..but he that looks to Christ and Believths on him.

Love is the ultimate command..that also fullfills the law.
Christ therefore being the righteousness of God [demonstrating keeping his commands]and we...are to be the righteousness of Christ. [demonstrating the love of Christ] most likely the law of CChrist until Christ be formed in us.
So that is how we uphold/establish...and bring meaning to the law..The inside of our hearts are clean through love by love and for love...
For everything is made by him, for him and through him.

We love through Christ..Christ is magnified within us and therefore the law established.
Which means to me nothing on the outside as works of righteousnes mean anything until the heart is made right....

First make the inside clean and the outside will be clean as well....

So as DW would say....you can't keep the law by trying to keep the law....but become the type of person that naturally would do what the law required..(hind sight..that is)

Thats my understanding ...study and live for him for yourself....

 
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There is a definite law-grace dialectic in the Scriptures that cannot be resolved systematically. Personally, I think lowest-common-denominator Bible-only evangelism can't handle it because it requires a more robust view of mission, ecclessiology, sacraments and ethics/moral theology to create that stability in the Christian life where it doesn't feel either lawless or legalistic.
 
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Feel free to interact with post #20 of this thread in regard to what it means to fulfill the Law:

Sin is Lawlessness


The Law of Moses is God's Word and Jesus is God's Word made flesh, so he is the living embodiment of God's Law, and to do away with God's Word would be to do away with himself.



Jesus was referring to his redemptive work on the cross, not to doing away with God's righteous standard. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Christ gave himself to redeem us from the Law, but to redeem us from all Lawlessness in order to purify for himself a people who are zealous for doing good works, and the Mosaic Law is God's instructions for how to do good works (2 Timothy 3:16-17, Acts 21:20).



In Romans 7, Paul said that God Law is holy, righteous, and good (7:12), that it is the good that he sought to do (7:13-20), the good that he delighted in doing (7:22), and the good that he served with his mind (7:25), but contrasted it with the law of sin that came about to increase trespasses (5:20), that stirred up sin to bear fruit unto death (7:5), that held him captive (7:6), that gave sin its power over him (7:8), that caused him not to do the good that he wanted to do (7:13-20), that held him captive (7:23), and that he served with his flesh (7:25). So in Romans 7:6, Paul was speaking about being set free from the law of sin that held him captive so that he would be free to serve God through following His commands by the leading of the Spirit.



1 Corinthians 9:21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.

Paul said in the very next verse that he was not outside of God's Law, so it clearly has not dead, and he used in a parallel statement with being under the law of Christ, so they both are referring to the same thing.



Having no more need for a tutor is not at all the same as having no more need for what the tutor taught us. A student does not move on to 2nd grade by forgetting everything they were taught in 1st grade, but rather their new teacher builds upon what they were taught previously. Similarly, someone does not move on to algebra by forgetting everything that they learned about addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division, and if they did forget those things, then they would need to go back for a remedial education. Christ was sinless, so he set a perfect example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:3-6). So now that he has come, we have perfect example to follow and a better teacher, but the subject is still how to correctly walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law. Furthermore, we now have the Spirit who has the role of leading us in obedience to the Mosaic Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27)

If are particular action were acting according to God's righteousness before Christ, but after he came that action was no longer according to God's righteousness, then God's righteousness has changed, but God's righteousness is eternal and does not change, which is the same for all of God's righteous laws (Psalms 119:160).



Romans 10:4 Christ is the goal of the Law, which leads to righteousness for all who have faith in God.

According to John 5:46, Jesus said that Moses wrote about him, according to Luke 24:27, Jesus interpreted to them from all of Scripture the things concerning himself, and in Hebrews 10:7, it says that the volume of the scroll is written about him, so the Law is entirely about him, it is pointed at or directed towards him, and a relationship with him is the goal at which obedience the Law aims for righteousness for everyone who believes. Prior to Paul's Damascus road experience, he had been keeping the Law without having a focus on his relationship with Messiah, so he had been missing the whole point and considered it to be rubbish (Philippians 3:8).



If Jesus had said nothing, then he still would have taught obedience to the Mosaic Law by example, and we are told to follow his example. However, he taught obedience to the Mosaic Law both by word and by example, so I do not see any reason to think that the Law of Christ is anything other than how he taught to obey the Mosaic Law by word and how he lived it out by example. It is not as though Christ were in disagreement with what the Father commanded, so sinned in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2 by creating his own set of laws.



Jesus started his ministry with the Gospel message of needing to repent of our sins for the Kingdom of God is at hand. The Mosaic Law was given to reveal what sin is (Romans 3:20), without it we wouldn't even know what sin is (Romans 7:7), sin is defined as Lawlessness (1 John 3:4), and so the Mosaic Law is the way that the Israelites knew what sin is and what they should be repenting from doing. This means that repenting from our disobedience to the Mosaic Law is a central part of the Gospel of Christ and that we should glorify God through our obedience to His Law.

These verses all support obedience to the Mosaic Law.

Please see post #31 by Dr. Bruce Atkinson.

Gentiles/Greeks were never under the Law of Moses/Old Covenant. Jesus' death on the cross made the Gentiles/Greeks equal in dignity and grace to the Jews. Jesus' New Covenant is not the same as the Old Covenant/Law of Moses. Both covenants can not be in force at the same time.

New Covenant reality:

Romans 10:12
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all and bestows his riches upon all who call upon him. rsv

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. rsv

Colossians 3:11
Here there cannot be Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scyth′ian, slave, free man, but Christ is all, and in all. rsv

1 Corinthians 7:18
Was any one at the time of his call already circumcised? Let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was any one at the time of his call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision. rsv

1 Corinthians 7:19
For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God. rsv
Please note that circumcision was an absolute requirement for all men under the Law of Moses/Old Covenant, but not for men under the New Covenant. The Old Covenant/Law of Moses is no longer in force.

Old Covenant/Law of Moses:

Genesis 17:14

Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.” rsv
New Covenant Law of Jesus:

1 Corinthians 7:18
Was any one at the time of his call already circumcised? Let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was any one at the time of his call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision. rsv

The Old Covenant/Law of Moses is no longer in force. It was finished/ended/fulfilled by Jesus Christ's death on the cross.

Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant he treats the first as obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. rsv


 
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Thanks for sharing those passages...

Jesus is....the end of the law for righteousness

In my understanding the source of salvation
Has changed
Yet the course of salvation remains.

No man was justified by the law because the flesh of man was weak.

If one gets to be Justified He would have had to come through Christ.

So its not merely the man that looks..but he that looks to Christ and Believths on him.

Love is the ultimate command..that also fullfills the law.
Christ therefore being the righteousness of God [demonstrating keeping his commands]and we...are to be the righteousness of Christ. [demonstrating the love of Christ] most likely the law of CChrist until Christ be formed in us.
So that is how we uphold/establish...and bring meaning to the law..The inside of our hearts are clean through love by love and for love...
For everything is made by him, for him and through him.

We love through Christ..Christ is magnified within us and therefore the law established.
Which means to me nothing on the outside as works of righteousnes mean anything until the heart is made right....

First make the inside clean and the outside will be clean as well....

So as DW would say....you can't keep the law by trying to keep the law....but become the type of person that naturally would do what the law required..(hind sight..that is)

Thats my understanding ...study and live for him for yourself....

You are welcome. :)
The source of salvation has always been God through Jesus Christ. Under the Old Covenant, the Law of Moses justified people.and made them righteous.
1 Chronicles 16:35
Acts 3:15

I agree that love for God and for neighbor fulfills the Law of God under the New Covenant. There is no need any more for the ceremonial and dietary laws of the Old Covenant.

RE:
"Jesus is.... the end of the law for righteousness."

IOW, the Law of Moses/Old Covenant ended. The Law of Moses/Old Covenant no longer justifies anyone under the New Covenant. The OC no longer makes any person righteous.

The following explains it more clearly:

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified. rsv
Now, under the New Covenant, Greeks/Gentiles can be justified/made righteous. They will be justified/made righteous without the Law of Moses. And under the New Covenant, Jews can no longer be justified by the Law of Moses.

Galatians 2:14
But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?” rsv

Mark 7:18-20
And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 since it enters, not his heart but his stomach, and so passes on?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) 20 And he said, “What comes out of a man is what defiles a man. rsv Acts 10:13-15

Galatians 3:1-3
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? 2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun with the Spirit, are you now ending with the flesh?
The essence of the Law of Moses is the following:

Luke 10:25-28
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? How do you read?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have answered right; do this, and you will live.” rsv​
 
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This is long but answers your question.
THE LAW OF MOSES AND ITS APPLICABILITY TO TODAY
Definition: The laws given to Moses consists of a comprehensive set of guidelines to ensure that the Israelites' behavior reflected their status as God's chosen people.

According to Romans 9:6-8, Israel is made up of those who have faith in the promise, according to Ephesians 2:12-19, Gentiles are now fellow citizens of Israel through faith in Messiah, according to 1 Peter 2:9-10, Gentiles are now included among God's chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, and a treasure of God's own possession, all things that were only said in reference to Israel. So because we have been grafted into God's chosen people, Israel, our behavior should likewise reflect our status as such. How can someone be part of a holy nation while refusing to follow God's Laws for how to have a holy conduct?

It encompasses moral behavior, their position as a godly example to other nations, and systematic procedures for acknowledging God's holiness and mankind's sinfulness.
Some of the dietary and cleanliness laws were probably set up by God for health reasons and He may have given them other laws for no other reason than to separate their culture from that of the peoples who lived around them. He wanted a holy, ‘set apart’ people who did not live as other people lived. God also was preparing the Hebrews for the day when He would send His Son to save the world. A major purpose for having a special people like the Hebrews in the first place was to prepare a religious and cultural environment suitable for raising (and later bringing about the sacrificial death of) His Son.

There are night and day differences between the healthiness of clean and unclean animals, so it is certainly reasonable to think that is one of the reasons that God had for commanding dietary laws, however, holiness is about much more than that. It is not about being set apart for the sake of being set apart, but rather it is about being set apart for a specific purpose, so God did not give any commands just so that they would be different from the surrounding cultures, but rather God gave them instructions for how to be holy because He is holy, so it is about acting according to the eternal and unchanging holiness of our God.

In an attempt to better understand the purpose of these laws, Jews and Christians categorize them. This has led to the distinction between moral law, ceremonial law, and judicial law. Some of the latter two types are time-limited and culture-limited laws rather than universal laws meant to apply to all times and places and peoples. Figuring out which laws are which is then an important task so that we can know if they continue to apply to us.

Moral Law
The moral laws, or mishpatim, relate to justice and judgment and are often translated as "ordinances." These moral laws are said to be based on God's holy nature. As such, the ordinances are holy, just, and unchanging. Their purpose is to promote the welfare of those who obey. The value of the laws is considered obvious by reason and common sense. The moral law encompasses regulations on justice, respect, and sexual conduct, and includes the Ten Commandments. It also includes penalties for failure to obey the ordinances. The moral law does not point people to Christ; it merely illuminates the fallen state of all mankind and ultimately to their need for Christ.

I have found that dividing the law into these categories does more of a disservice than it helps. If morality is only in regard to man's relationship with man and not man's relationship with God, then the first four of the Ten Commandments are not moral laws, including the law against idolatry. However, if morality is also in regard to man's relationship with God, then it is immoral to disobey any of God's Laws. Morality is based on God's character and we ought to obey God, so all of God's Laws are inherently moral Laws.

Leviticus 11:44-45 I am the Lord your God; consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am holy. Do not make yourselves unclean by any creature that moves along the ground. 45 I am the Lord, who brought you up out of Egypt to be your God; therefore be holy, because I am holy.

The article that you copied that from claims that the moral Laws are based on God's holy nature, yet it should be clear from the above verses that God's dietary Laws are also based on God's holy nature, but the article puts the dietary laws in that category of ceremonial laws, however, the ceremonial laws are essentially God's instructions for how to have a holy conduct because God is holy. Furthermore, in 1 Peter 1:13-16, we are told to have a holy conduct because God is holy, which is a reference to Leviticus where God was given ceremonial laws as part of his instructions for how to have a holy conduct. It should also be relatively straightforward that God's holy days are based off of His holy nature and part of what it means to have a holy conduct, but they are also categorized as ceremonial laws. God command the His holy days as ordinances lasting forever, so they are also unchanging, just as God's holiness is unchanging. It says that the moral Laws include the Ten Commandments, which means that it is immoral to not keep the Sabbath holy, yet most Christians worship on Sunday instead. All of God Laws teach us about Christ, so they all point to Christ, and obedience to all of them is about growing in a relationship with Him based on faith and love.

Modern Protestants are divided over the applicability of these kinds of laws in the church age. Some believe that Jesus' assertion that the law will remain in effect until the earth passes away (Matthew 5:18) means that believers are still bound to it. Others, however, understand that Jesus fulfilled this requirement (Matthew 5:17), and that we are instead under the law of Christ (Gal 6:2), which is thought to be "love God and love others" (Matt 22:36-40).

Please see post #20 in regard to what it means to fulfills the Law:

Sin is Lawlessness

Jesus summarized the Law as being about how to love God and how to love our neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40), so saying that he obeyed the Law for us so that we don't have to is like saying that he loved God and our neighbor so that we don't have to, rather he did that so that in part so that we would have an example to follow, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22). I see no reason to think that the Law of Christ is anything other than the Law of Moses as he taught it by word and lived it out by example.

Although many of the moral laws in the OT give excellent examples as to how to love God and love others, and the NT teaches that freedom from the law is not license to sin (Romans 6:15), it is clear that we are not specifically bound by the Law.

In Romans 7, Paul said that God's law is not sin, but that it reveals to us what sin is (Romans 7:7), that it is holy, righteous, and good (7:12), that it was the good he wanted to do (7:13-20), the good he delighted in doing (7:22), and the good that he served with his mind (7:25), but contrast that with a law of sin that came about to increase trespasses (5:20), that stirred up sin to bear fruit unto death (7:5), that held him captive (7:6), that gave sin its power (7:8), that caused him not to do the good that he wanted (7:13-20), that held him captive (7:23), and that he served with his flesh (7:25).

Romans 6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

God's Law does not fit the description of sin having dominion over us, but rather the law of sin fits that description perfectly, so it is the law of sin that we are not under when we are under grace. According to Titus 2:11-14, our salvation involves God's grace training us to do what is godly, righteous, and good and training us to renounce doing what is ungodly and sinful, which perfectly fits Paul's description of God's Law, so it is essentially saying that if we are under grace, then we are under the Mosaic Law, which again is contrary to interpreting Romans 6:14 as referring to God's Law. Furthermore, it wouldn't make any sense to interpret Romans 6:15 as saying that we are not required to obey God's Law, but we are still required to avoid sinning in disobedience to it.

Ceremonial Law
The ceremonial laws are called hukkim or chuqqah in Hebrew, which literally means “custom of the nation”; the words are often translated as "statutes." These laws are not obvious to common sense; for example, the destruction of perfectly good animals for sacrifice and the rejection of food sources such as pork and rabbit. Instead, these statutes are often symbolic and seem to focus the adherent's attention on God. They include instructions on regaining right standing with God (e.g., sacrifices and other ceremonies regarding "uncleanness"), remembrances of God's work in Israel (e.g., feasts and festivals), specific regulations meant to distinguish Israelites from their pagan neighbors (e.g., dietary and clothing restrictions), and signs that point to the coming Messiah (e.g., the Sabbath, circumcision, Passover, and the redemption of the first-born).
Christians are not bound by ceremonial law. Since the church is not the nation of Israel, memorial festivals, such as the Feast of Weeks and Passover, do not apply. Galatians 3:23-25 explains that since Jesus has come, Christians are not required to sacrifice or circumcise.
There is still debate in Protestant churches over the applicability of the Sabbath. Some say that its inclusion in the Ten Commandments gives it the weight of moral law. Others quote Colossians 2:16-17 and Romans 14:5 to explain that Jesus has fulfilled the Sabbath and become our Sabbath rest. As Romans 14:5 says, "Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." The applicability of the OT law in the life of a Christian has always related to its usefulness in loving God and others. If someone feels observing the Sabbath aids him in this, he is free to observe it.

Again, everything described as being a ceremonial laws is essentially God's instruction for how to have a holy conduct and we are told to follow God's instructions for how to have a holy conduct (1 Peter 1:13-16), so Christians are bound to obey them and to live according to the holiness of our God. The Greek word "ekklesia" is translated as "church" or "assembly" and it was used in the Septuagint to refer to the assembly of Israel in the wilderness, so Israel is the Church of God and we become grafted into the Church of God through faith in Messiah.

If you look at Colossians 2:16 by itself, it is ambiguous as to whether it is saying not to let anyone judge them for observing God's holy days or for not keeping them. However, if we look at the context of the views of the people judging them, then it becomes clear. According to Colossians 2:8 and Colossians 2:20-23 they were being judged by those teaching philosophy and empty deceit according to human tradition, human precepts, self-made religion, severity to the body, and asceticism, so Paul was encouraging the Colossians to continue keeping God's holy days in obedience to His commands and to not let any man keep them from obeying God. God's holys are important shadows that are rich with teachings about Messiah and of God's plan of redemption, so we should not deprive ourselves of the privilege of keeping them.

The context of Romans 14 is stated in the first verse, namely that it is in regard to how handle disputes of opinion, not in regard to whether followers of God should follow God's commands. No one was disputing whether we should be allowed to commit idolatry, theft, murder, adultery, or to disobey any of God's commands, but they did dispute things like what counted as idolatry. For example, meat that had been offered to idols was often later sold on the market, so if someone was at a community meal where they couldn't verify where the meat had come from, then they might be of the opinion that only vegetables should be eaten (Romans 14:2). They were judging those who chose to eat everything at the meal and were in turn being resented (Romans 14:3). In Romans 14:5-6, it is talk about those who eat or abstain from eating, so it is talking about those who esteem certain days for fasting. As a matter of opinion, it had become a common practice to fast twice a week (Luke 18:12) or to commemorate certain events and those who esteemed those days for fasting were judging others and in turn being resented. We are not to keep God's holy days because we esteem them as a matter of our opinion, but because God esteemed them and commanded them to be kept.

Judicial/Civil Law
The Westminster Confession adds the category of judicial or civil law. These laws were specifically given for the culture and place of the Israelites and encompass all of the moral law except the Ten Commandments. This includes everything from murder to restitution for a man gored by an ox and the responsibility of the man who dug a pit to rescue his neighbor's trapped donkey (Exodus 21:12-36). Since the Jews saw no difference between their God-ordained morality and their cultural responsibilities, this category is used by Christians far more than by Jewish scholars.
The division of the Jewish law into different categories is a human construct designed to better understand the nature of God and define which laws church-age Christians are still required to follow. Many believe the ceremonial law is not applicable, but we are bound by moral law, particularly the Ten Commandments. All the law is useful for instruction (2 Timothy 3:16), but much in NT verifies that God intended a distinction in categories of the Law. Foods, sacrifices, circumcision, etc. were clearly abolished as requirements for Gentiles; note what was determined at the Council at Jerusalem in Acts 15.

It says that Jews saw no difference between their God-ordained morality and their cultural responsibilities, so in other words the distinction between moral laws and civil laws is not found in the Bible and is an arbitrary construction made by Christian scholars in order to confuse the matter. Any disobedience to God's commands is sin and we are told not to sin. Simple. The requirement in Acts 15:1 of Gentiles needing to become circumcised in order to become saved is not found anywhere in God's Law, so it is a man-made requirement, which means that Acts 15 had nothing to do with abolishing any of God's Laws, nor did the Jerusalem Council have any authority to countermand God even if they had wanted to.

Paul taught that Christians are not under the law (Romans 10:4), certainly not Gentile Christians. Jesus fulfilled the law, thus abolishing the difference between Jew and Gentile "so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross…" (Ephesians 2:15-16). But believers want to please God, so they seek to obey the moral laws, and the Holy Spirit enables them in this regard.

Does it make any sense to say in Ephesians 2:10 that we are made new creations in Christ for the purpose of doing good works and then to say a few verses later than Christ came to do away with His instructions for how to do good works? No, this is again referring to man-made laws, such as mentioned in Acts 10:28 that forbade Jews from visiting or associating with Jews.

Romans 10:4 Christ is the goal of the Law, which leads to righteousness for all who have faith in God.

According to John 5:46, Jesus said that Moses wrote about him, according to Luke 24:27, Jesus began with Moses and the Prophets and interpret to them in all the Scripture the things concerning himself, and according to Hebrews 10:7, the totality of the scroll is written about Messiah, so Law is pointed towards or is directed at Messiah, and Paul was saying in Romans 10:4 that a relationship with Messiah is the goal at which the Law aims for righteousness for everyone who believes. The Law is God's Word and Jesus is God's Word made flesh, so he is the living embodiment of God's Law and he could not end it without ending himself.
 
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Please see post #31 by Dr. Bruce Atkinson.

I have now responded to it, but the article he posted did not talk much about what it means to fulfill the Law, nor did your post interact with what it means.

Gentiles/Greeks were never under the Law of Moses/Old Covenant. Jesus' death on the cross made the Gentiles/Greeks equal in dignity and grace to the Jews. Jesus' New Covenant is not the same as the Old Covenant/Law of Moses. Both covenants can not be in force at the same time.
New Covenant reality:

Romans 10:12
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all and bestows his riches upon all who call upon him. rsv

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. rsv

Colossians 3:11
Here there cannot be Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scyth′ian, slave, free man, but Christ is all, and in all. rsv

1 Corinthians 7:18
Was any one at the time of his call already circumcised? Let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was any one at the time of his call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision. rsv

1 Corinthians 7:19
For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God. rsv
Please note that circumcision was an absolute requirement for all men under the Law of Moses/Old Covenant, but not for men under the New Covenant. The Old Covenant/Law of Moses is no longer in force.

Old Covenant/Law of Moses:

Genesis 17:14

Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.” rsv
New Covenant Law of Jesus:

1 Corinthians 7:18
Was any one at the time of his call already circumcised? Let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was any one at the time of his call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision. rsv

The Old Covenant/Law of Moses is no longer in force. It was finished/ended/fulfilled by Jesus Christ's death on the cross.

Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant he treats the first as obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. rsv



I completely agree that we are under the New Covenant and that we are not under the Mosaic Covenant, however, we are still under the same God. God's holiness, righteousness, and goodness are eternal and unchanging, so the way to do what is holy, righteous, and good existed from the beginning before God made any covenants with man, so it is not dependent on any covenant, though it was revealed through them (Romans 7:12). So there is a distinction between a set of unchanging instructions for how to live according to the eternal holiness, righteousness, and goodness of our God and a covenant agreement to abide by those instructions. There are many examples throughout Genesis that show that God's Laws were already in place before they were given at Sinai, so certain actions did not become holy, righteous, and good when the Law was given, but rather the Law revealed what actions have always been and will always be in accordance with God's holiness, righteousness, and goodness. So anyone who wants to find out how to do what is holy, righteous, and good can do so by reading the Mosaic Law, regardless of what covenant, if any, they are under, but as part of the New Covenant, we are still told to follow God's instructions for how to do what is holy, righteous, and good (1 Peter 1:13-16, 1 John 3:10, Ephesians 2:10). For example, 1 Peter 1:13-16 says that we should have a holy conduct not in order to be identify with Jews or because we are under the Mosaic Covenant, but because God is holy, so follow God's instructions in Leviticus for how to have a holy conduct is about identifying with the holiness of our God. Jesus was sinless, so he set a perfect example for how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, and as his disciples, we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:3-6). We are not told that following Jesus is just for Jews.
 
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The source of salvation has always been God through Jesus Christ. Under the Old Covenant, the Law of Moses justified people.and made them righteous.
1 Chronicles 16:35
Acts 3:15

I agree that love for God and for neighbor fulfills the Law of God under the New Covenant. There is no need any more for the ceremonial and dietary laws of the Old Covenant.

RE:
"Jesus is.... the end of the law for righteousness."

IOW, the Law of Moses/Old Covenant ended. The Law of Moses/Old Covenant no longer justifies anyone under the New Covenant. The OC no longer makes any person righteous.

The following explains it more clearly:

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified. rsv
Now, under the New Covenant, Greeks/Gentiles can be justified/made righteous. They will be justified/made righteous without the Law of Moses. And under the New Covenant, Jews can no longer be justified by the Law of Moses.

Galatians 2:14
But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?” rsv

Mark 7:18-20
And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 since it enters, not his heart but his stomach, and so passes on?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) 20 And he said, “What comes out of a man is what defiles a man. rsv Acts 10:13-15

Galatians 3:1-3
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? 2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun with the Spirit, are you now ending with the flesh?
The essence of the Law of Moses is the following:

Luke 10:25-28
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? How do you read?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have answered right; do this, and you will live.” rsv​
Heb 5;9
"In this way, God qualified him as a perfect High Priest, and he became the source of eternal salvation for all those who obey him."


You said Jesus was always the source...but Hebrews 5 srates, "He became the source..."



Phlp 3:9

"And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:"


As shown in the passage....there was another source
And it was by human Effort, "mine own,.but we know the law could not be kept because of the "weakness of the flesh"

Psalms 119:160


"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever."


Shows the law forever


So as I stated, my understanding is the source has changed but the course is the same

When we Love through Christ... Christ be formed in us. I believe we establish the law..

The law shouldnt be strived to be kept..by trying to keep it.....Its a matter of looking To Christ where our Help comes from....and obeying his command to love.

Again..it goes back to..."First make the inside of the cup clean and the outside will be clean as well"

How do I believe we purify ourselves? By walking in Love......
 
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Galatians was written to counter trying to obtain salvation, or to obtain more perfect standing with God, by keeping the law.
We are not made perfect in any way, by the law. We are not justified by Law.

However, God's law stands forever. Until heaven and earth pass, not one jot or one tittle can in any wise pass.

How do we reconcile those two?
In Christ.

Christ IS our Passover Lamb.
Christ IS our Sabbath Rest.
Christ IS our clean meat.
Christ IS our continual festival.

All those ceremonial laws pointed to Christ, in types and shadows.
But the moral code... it's still the revelation of what's right and wrong.

God doesn't save us from sin by the blood of Christ, just to let us make up our own rules of right and wrong from that point on.
If we truly love God... If we are truly born again, and made new creatures... we will WANT to be holy before God!

And thus, we will pursue God, by walking after the Spirit.
And "the righteousness of the law is fullfilled in them that walk after the Spirit."
What standard of righteousness is fulfilled in us? The standard revealed in the Law.

Because God doesn't change. What He once hated, He will always hate. What He once said was good behavior, will always be good behavior.
He wouldn't say something is an abomination to Him once, and then tell his adopted children that they can go ahead and do that thing He hates!

There is so much we still go to the Psalms for, as Christians... and then, there's so much we just throw out, because of wrong teaching. The very first Psalm for instance. "Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standing in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the LAW of the Lord, and in His LAW doth he meditate day and night."

We want to be blessed. We would do well to learn the moral code of the Law, and learn what our Father loves, and what He hates. Just because we want to snuggle up to his heart!
I dont see that u disagree..
However, He already tells us what to do ; "Love"...and...He shares how we should do it..
And nothing added, nothing taken away....so we are to believe who he is and obey his command to love.....
 
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