Futurist Only 12 Reasons Why the Pre-Trib Rapture Theory is a Lie
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You can be wrong if you want to be. Our spirit man will go to heaven if we die, but after the resurrection, our new body will be a flesh and BONE body just as Jesus' resurrection body is. However, our new flesh and bone body will be a SPIRITUAL body. But we will be whole: body soul and spirit together.
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Thess 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
There is no mention of going to earth in Thess 4
Well first you have chosen the least viable scripture to make your point as Acts 1 is not referring to the rapture in any way at all , as it is Angels letting the Men of Galilee know that when Jesus returns it will be at the very same place Jesus ascended from earth into heaven that Jesus returns to when he returns, nothing more
You are having such difficulty with this because you are assuming that the 2nd coming of Christ is the same event as the rapture which they are not the same and do not happen at the same time, since you refuse to accept this is why you keep getting it wrong.
Previously I gave you a more in depth scripture based understanding and you still don't get it so this time I will be less descriptive and simple so you can see why your notion is just a yo-yo u-turn based rapture .
You are on earth and the 2nd coming of Jesus begins as Jesus has prepared His armies including Christians that you don't want to believe are coming with Jesus when he comes .
Jesus and His following has left heaven and is on his way down to earth to end the battle with the antichrist and false prophet and all the destruction is taking place . While Jesus and His armies are on the way down - you on earth waiting to be raptured , are raptured and now you are amongst the army of Jesus with Jesus as Jesus is still on the way down to earth. Jesus is not going to stop His trip down to earth just because you are raptured up to where he is ,
He is still coming down to earth non stop so your experience as a rapture did nothing more than go up make a u-turn and come straight back down to earth with Jesus. Which is the yo -yo u-turn
Coloss 3:4
4 When Christ, who is our life, Shall Appear, then Shall YOU ALSO Appear WITH HIM in Glory
I ask again why do you believe there is a rapture ?, what in your view is accomplished during the rapture ?.. for the moment put aside any timing of the rapture
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Then you can hear it from the Jewish historian Josephus, who lived during the time the temple was destroyed in 70 AD.
The following comes from Antiquities of the Jews-Book 12, Chapter 5, written by Josephus. We will first look at sections 3-5. Some text is bolded and enlarged by this author.
“3. King Antiochus returning out of Egypt (16) for fear of the Romans, made an expedition against the city Jerusalem; and when he was there, in the hundred and forty-third year of the kingdom of the Seleucidse, he took the city without fighting, those of his own party opening the gates to him. And when he had gotten possession of Jerusalem, he slew many of the opposite party; and when he had plundered it of a great deal of money, he returned to Antioch.
4. Now it came to pass, after two years, in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of that month which is by us called Chasleu, and by the Macedonians Apelleus, in the hundred and fifty-third olympiad, that the king came up to Jerusalem, and, pretending peace, he got possession of the city by treachery; at which time he spared not so much as those that admitted him into it, on account of the riches that lay in the temple; but, led by his covetous inclination, (for he saw there was in it a great deal of gold, and many ornaments that had been dedicated to it of very great value,) and in order to plunder its wealth, he ventured to break the league he had made. So he left the temple bare, and took away the golden candlesticks, and the golden altar [of incense], and table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of burnt-offering]; and did not abstain from even the veils, which were made of fine linen and scarlet. He also emptied it of its secret treasures, and left nothing at all remaining; and by this means cast the Jews into great lamentation, for he forbade them to offer those daily sacrifices which they used to offer to God, according to the law. And when he had pillaged the whole city, some of the inhabitants he slew, and some he carried captive, together with their wives and children, so that the multitude of those captives that were taken alive amounted to about ten thousand. He also burnt down the finest buildings; and when he had overthrown the city walls, he built a citadel in the lower part of the city, (17) for the place was high, and overlooked the temple; on which account he fortified it with high walls and towers, and put into it a garrison of Macedonians. However, in that citadel dwelt the impious and wicked part of the [Jewish] multitude, from whom it proved that the citizens suffered many and sore calamities. And when the king had built an idol altar upon God's altar, he slew swine upon it, and so offered a sacrifice neither according to the law, nor the Jewish religious worship in that country. He also compelled them to forsake the worship which they paid their own God, and to adore those whom he took to be gods; and made them build temples, and raise idol altars in every city and village, and offer swine upon them every day. He also commanded them not to circumcise their sons, and threatened to punish any that should be found to have transgressed his injunction. He also appointed overseers, who should compel them to do what he commanded. And indeed many Jews there were who complied with the king's commands, either voluntarily, or out of fear of the penalty that was denounced. But the best men, and those of the noblest souls, did not regard him, but did pay a greater respect to the customs of their country than concern as to the punishment which he threatened to the disobedient; on which account they every day underwent great miseries and bitter torments; for they were whipped with rods, and their bodies were torn to pieces, and were crucified, while they were still alive, and breathed. They also strangled those women and their sons whom they had circumcised, as the king had appointed, hanging their sons about their necks as they were upon the crosses. And if there were any sacred book of the law found, it was destroyed, and those with whom they were found miserably perished also.”
Antiochus Epiphanes ordered an attack on the city of Jerusalem. He set up an altar of Zeus in the temple and had a pig slaughtered on the altar of the temple, just as it was foretold by Daniel hundreds of years before. This later came to be known as “the abomination of desolation”. Antiochus also killed thousands of Jews, sold many other thousands into slavery and cruelly punished those who refused to abandon Judaism, as he had ordered.
(The following comes from Antiquities of the Jews-Book 12, chapter 7.)
“6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].”
Above we have Josephus stating that the desolation of the temple by Antiochus Epiphanes was a fulfillment of the prophecy found in the Book of Daniel. Josephus also tells us the prophecy was given to Daniel 408 years before it occurred. This confirms the fact that the Bible stands outside of space and time as a recorded message from the Creator of the universe.
“7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies.”
These writings from Flavius Josephus provide us with the understanding of a Jew who lived during the first century and therefore provides us with the context and understanding of John 10:22. After the forces of Antiochus were defeated by the Jews under the command of Judas Maccabeus, the temple in Jerusalem was cleansed and rededicated. Modern Jews continue to celebrate this event as Hanakkah. This can also be confirmed by Jewish history written about the time of the Maccabean Revolt. The First and Second “Book of the Maccabees” agree with the words of Josephus found above. (1 Maccabees 1:54-61, 2 Maccabees 5:11-14, 6:1-11) These two extra-Biblical sources confirm the wicked attack by Antiochus Epiphanes upon Daniel’s people, and the Abomination of Desolation within the Jewish temple in Jerusalem, during 167 BC.
We now understand the meaning of John 10:22. It is describing the festival of Hanakkah, which commemorates the cleansing and rededication of the Jewish temple which occurred during 164 BC.
Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
The attack on the city of Jerusalem and the desecration of the Jewish temple by the forces of Antiochus Epiphanes are a part of Jewish history. These events will be critical to our understanding of the warning given by Christ in the Olivet Discourse, which makes a reference to “the abomination of desolation” found in the Book of Daniel.
The failure to understand this past event has caused tremendous confusion among students of prophecy during my lifetime.
You can try to ignore the truth, but that will not make it go away.
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1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming.
Rev 10:7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
2Ti 4:1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:
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I never said we wouldn't be given a new body. I was speaking about what happens at the Rapture, which happens about 7 years before the Second Coming. I only stated we would go to meet Jesus with our Spirit Man, and we will leave our old flesh bodies behind. I never stated what will or wont happen later.
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I agree, but I do believe that Daniel 9:27 was speaking of yet another repeat during the last seven years for the Jews. So we are all right
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I should have know you either be unable or unwilling to use your own words to say anything
When you are asked a question that expresses what you believe in your own words,instead of doing so you throw scriptures that do not even apply
I asked you nicely to explain what you believe a rapture is intended for and you refuse , obviously you don't know and won't get any followers
The point was to get you to be cordial and social as in a social setting like having dinner with guests in a restaurant and a guest simply asks you to express what is a rapture for , what purpose does it serve ?
If you do not have a bible to grasp at scripture you'd be expected to answer the question , It be obvious that your guests would be more than puzzled that you are unable to answer the question or unwilling to
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I should have know you either be unable or unwilling to use your own words to say anything
When you are asked a question that expresses what you believe in your own words,instead of doing so you throw scriptures that do not even apply
I asked you nicely to explain what you believe a rapture is intended for and you refuse , obviously you don't know and won't get any followers
The point was to get you to be cordial and social as in a social setting like having dinner with guests in a restaurant and a guest simply asks you to express what is a rapture for , what purpose does it serve ?
If you do not have a bible to grasp at scripture you'd be expected to answer the question , It be obvious that your guests would be more than puzzled that you are unable to answer the question or unwilling to
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Sorry, man, but that post was embarrassing. Where is the love?
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That's right, insofar as there are only seven trumpets during the tribulation (Revelation 8:1-2). But note that there will be a subsequent, post-tribulation trumpet (Matthew 24:29-31), which will be, in effect, an eighth trumpet. Also, regarding the seventh trumpet (Revelation 11:15-19), note that it, unlike the eighth trumpet, does not refer to any coming of Jesus.
Regarding John 5:28-29, note that it was not until later (cf. John 16:12) that Jesus showed the apostle John that there will be two (still unfulfilled) physical resurrections separated by a thousand years (Revelation 20:5). John 5:28-29 can include both of these, for the original Greek word (hora: G5610) translated as "hour" does not have to mean a literal hour, but can refer figuratively to any period of time. For example, the last "time" in 1 John 2:18 in the original Greek is the last "hour" (hora), which in this case has been going on for the last two thousand years. So the "hour" of everyone's still-future, physical resurrection (John 5:28-29) can easily span over a thousand-year period (Revelation 20:5).
Also, at both the first and second resurrection, some will undergo "the resurrection of life" while others will undergo "the resurrection of damnation" (John 5:29). For the first resurrection, at Jesus' still-unfulfilled second coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16), before the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6), will be of all those of all times who became Christians (1 Corinthians 15:21-23). And some of them will lose their salvation at the second coming (e.g. Luke 12:45-46), so that their resurrection will be a "resurrection of damnation" (John 5:29), a resurrection "unto shame and everlasting contempt" (Daniel 12:2), because of such things as unrepentant sin (Hebrews 10:26-29), unrepentant laziness (Matthew 25:26,30), or apostasy (Hebrews 6:4-8).
The second resurrection, at the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15), after the future millennium and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-15), will involve all those of all times who never became Christians, and all those who became Christians during the millennium (Isaiah 66:19-21). At the great white throne judgment, those Christians (of all times) who will lose their salvation, and so will have their names blotted out of the book of life (Revelation 3:5), will be cast into the everlasting punishment of the lake of fire along with all non-Christians (Revelation 20:15,10, Matthew 25:41,46, Revelation 14:10-11, Mark 9:45-46).
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In Revelation 10:7, "finished" in the original Greek is "teleo" (G5055), which can mean "performed" (Luke 2:39). Revelation 10:7 means that the prophetic writings regarding the tribulation will finish being performed at the seventh trumpet of the tribulation. For out of the seventh trumpet's heavenly-temple opening will come the final stage of the tribulation, the seven plagues of the seven vials of God's wrath (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1).
In Revelation 10:7, the "mystery" is currently known by the church, just as, for example, the "mystery" in Romans 16:25-26 and Colossians 1:26 is currently known by the church. For the mystery in Revelation 10:7 has already been "declared to his servants the prophets" (Revelation 10:7), just as the "mystery" in Romans 16:25-26 and Colossians 1:26 is already "made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets" (Romans 16:26).
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Matthew 23:38 refers to the spiritual desolation of Jerusalem (Matthew 23:37) insofar as it rejects Jesus (1 John 5:12b, cf. Galatians 4:25), while Matthew 23:39 refers to the future salvation of the unbelieving elect Jews who will be living in Jerusalem at Jesus' second coming, when they will see him in person and believe in him (Zechariah 12:10-14, Romans 11:26-29).
Also, Matthew 23:38, like Matthew 27:51, did not mean that the second Jewish temple in Jerusalem had become spiritually desolate. For it remained holy even after Jesus' death and resurrection. That is why the church continued to worship God there (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17). What the rending of the veil in Matthew 27:51 pictured was the opening of the holiest place in heaven to Christians (Hebrews 10:19-22, Hebrews 9:24), by the abolishing of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-27, Hebrews 10:9b), and by the establishment of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28), at the moment that Jesus died on the Cross for our sins (Hebrews 9:15-17, Hebrews 10:19-20, Matthew 27:50-51).
The rending of the veil in Matthew 27:51 did not mean that God no longer dwelt in the second Jewish temple in Jerusalem (as in Matthew 23:21). That is why the church continued to worship God in the second temple even after Jesus' death and physical resurrection (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17).
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2 Thessalonians 2:3 refers to when an individual man will be revealed (that is, without any remaining doubt) as being the Antichrist by his sitting (at least one time) in a future, third Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaiming himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31, Matthew 24:15). This is one of the things which have to happen sometime before the future day of Jesus' second coming and the gathering together (rapture) of the church (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8), immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6). For at the second coming, the Antichrist will be destroyed (2 Thessalonians 2:8b, Revelation 19:20).
2 Timothy 2:15b refers to how the Bible was originally written down in manuscripts which had no spaces between the words, no punctuation, and no distinguishing capitalization or non-capitalization. That is, it was just an unbroken stream of upper or lower-case letters. So, for example, Genesis 1:6-7 would have looked like this:
andgodsaidlettherebeafirmamentinthemidstofthewatersa
ndletitdividethewatersfromthewatersandgodmadethefirm
amentanddividedthewaterswhichwereunderthefirmamen
tfromthewaterswhichwereabovethefirmamentanditwasso
This meant that those who studied the Bible (2 Timothy 2:15a) had to rightly divide between the words in order to arrive at the correct meaning. So, in the above example, if one mistakenly divided "watersandletitdividethewaters" into the words "water: sand, let it divide the waters", one would come away with the mistaken idea that Genesis 1:6-7 refers to God creating sand bars, instead of him creating the atmosphere (the firmament, the first heaven, in which the birds fly: Genesis 1:20b) to hold water up in the air (such as in rain clouds), above and separate from the water in the ocean.
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When obedient Christians' bodies will be raised/resurrected into spiritual/heavenly bodies (1 Corinthians 15:44-49), they will still be fleshly bodies, but no longer "natural" (that is, no longer mortal) fleshly bodies (1 Corinthians 15:44,53). Instead, they will be immortal fleshly bodies like Jesus was raised/resurrected into on the third day after his death (Luke 24:39,46; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4,21-23,51-53, Philippians 3:21, Romans 8:23-25), by the spiritual/heavenly power of the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:11,23-25, Romans 1:4; 1 Corinthians 15:44).
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Note that Jesus did die in reality. And this is a core part of the gospel itself:
1 Corinthians 15:1 ¶Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
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Are you thinking of the following verses?
Daniel 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
If so, note that in a future, antitypical fulfillment of Daniel 11:22-23, it can refer to two different future leaders: the Antichrist and an ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" in Jerusalem. That is, Daniel 11:22-23 can mean that "with the arms of a flood [an overwhelming armed attack] shall they [the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem] be overflown from before him [the Antichrist], and shall be broken [defeated]; yea, also the prince of the covenant [an ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" claiming to rule under the Old Covenant Mosaic law]. And after the league made with him [that is, with the ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah", cf. Daniel 9:26a] he [the Antichrist] shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people."
This "small people" could be the numerically-small Druze Arab people, and/or the numerically-small, yet very powerful, Gnostic Luciferians, who are networked by a worldwide secret society, and who currently hold some very high positions of power in the world's top corporations, banks, intelligence agencies, federal law enforcement agencies, military branches, and the judicial, executive, and legislative branches of the world's governments. While some of them may already be in the highest positions, most of them could have been strategically placed in the "number two" and/or "number three" positions, so that they can quickly take control when the Antichrist comes into power, by murdering those who are now in the highest positions (such as by lacing their coffees with drugs which cause heart attacks, but which leave no residue detectable in autopsies).
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The Antichrist himself could have grown up as a Druze Arab, in Lebanon, in the modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4). So he could at first present himself to the world as being of the (quasi-Islamic) Druze religion, which is waiting for the second coming of a God-man named Hakim. The Antichrist's last name could be Hakim, and he could at first present himself to the Druze people as the fulfillment of the second coming of this God-man. In this way, he could get the Druze to support him without question during an initial rise to power among the Arabs. The Druze Arabs could be the numerically "small people" of Daniel 11:23. The Antichrist could make them his completely devoted bodyguard, and buy them many key positions of power within a future, United Arab States (which the Antichrist could become the leader of in the first stage of his world takeover), and employ the Druze as loyal spies and assassins at every level of his United Arab government and military.
The Druze religion is very secretive. What it teaches to its higher-level initiates is not even taught to its lower-level initiates. What it could teach to its higher-level initiates could basically be Gnosticism mixed in with the Hakim God-man idea. The Antichrist himself, while outwardly a Druze, could inwardly be a Gnostic Luciferian. He could be a highest-level initiate of a worldwide secret society which ultimately teaches Gnostic Luciferianism, but keeps this a secret even from its own members who have not been initiated into its highest level.
Islam is currently serving as a red herring for some Christians who have been drawn away from the trail of the Antichrist's actual religion of Gnostic Luciferianism.
That is, the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast"), during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), will not support Islam in its past and current form, insofar as Islam affirms that Jesus is the Christ (e.g. Koran 4:157, Koran 4:171), while the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22). And Islam affirms that Christ is in the flesh, while the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will deny that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). And Islam affirms that the God of the Bible (YHWH) is the true God, while the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And Islam (mistakenly) affirms that no man can be God, while the Antichrist will say that he is God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And Islam forbids the worship of any images (Koran 21:52, Koran 6:74), while the Antichrist will have an image made of himself to be worshipped (Revelation 13:15). And Islam rejects Lucifer (Satan) as being evil, while the Antichrist will bring the world into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9). So the Antichrist's religion during his 3.5-year worldwide reign will not be Islam in its past and current form, but a blend of Luciferianism and Gnosticism.
Nonetheless, before Lucifer gives the Antichrist power over all nations (Revelation 13:4-7), the Antichrist, and the man who will be his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) (who could be a secretly apostate pope), could at first pretend to wholly support Islam in its current form (as well as Christianity), in order to start gaining a worldwide following.
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Regarding the first seal's horseman, on the white horse (Revelation 6:1-2), that could represent the gospel of Jesus (not Jesus physically: Acts 3:21) going forth to all nations and victoriously saving souls. For Jesus is the rider on the white horse seen later in Revelation 19:11,13 (cf. John 1:1,14), and his gospel will be preached to all nations during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:14, Revelation 14:6). The bow (Revelation 6:2) is a weapon that is able to affect things far away, just as the gospel is able to affect things far away from where it began (Luke 24:47).
The last three of the four horsemen (Revelation 6:4-8) represent a horrible future war which will begin the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, and which war will, with its aftermath of famines and epidemics, end up killing a fourth of the world (Revelation 6:8). The "great sword" of this war (Revelation 6:4) could be Israel's nuclear weapons.
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Note that in the Bible, when we are told to "watch" for Jesus' second coming (Mark 13:35-37), the original Greek word (G1127) translated as "watch" does not mean to stare with our eyes hoping to see someone appear at any moment. Instead, it means "to keep awake" (Strong's Greek Dictionary), like in Matthew 26:40, 1 Thessalonians 5:6, and Mark 13:36-37.
We are to keep spiritually awake as we wait for Jesus' second coming. For if we fall spiritually asleep, that is, fall into backsliding, there is no assurance that we will recover our right relationship with Jesus before his second coming (Matthew 24:48-51), just as if we fall physically asleep waiting for something to happen, there is no assurance that we will wake back up in time to see it happen.
During the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18, Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, Christians will have to "watch" (stay awake, spiritually) for Jesus' second coming (Matthew 24:42-43, Matthew 25:13, Luke 21:36), which Jesus has just finished saying will not occur until immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6). For if a Christian is not "watching" (staying awake, spiritually) for the second coming, it will take that Christian by surprise (cf. the if principle of Revelation 3:3b). And that Christian will lose his or her salvation at that time because of such things as unrepentant sin (Luke 12:45-46, Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27), unrepentant laziness (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a, Romans 2:6-8), or apostasy (Hebrews 6:4-8, John 15:6; 2 Timothy 2:12b).
Also, even when Christians know the truth that Jesus' second coming will not occur until immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31), they still need to live each day knowing that any of them could die at any time (Luke 12:20, James 4:14).
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I agree, but I do believe that Daniel 9:27 was speaking of yet another repeat during the last seven years for the Jews. So we are all right
Because the New Covenant was promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:18-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, there is not going to be a separate last seven years for the Jews.
The New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20.
Therefore, it does not end before the Second Coming of Christ.
There is no Plan B for the Jews.
Based on what Paul said in Galatians 1:6-9, there is only one way of salvation after Calvary.
If we want modern Jews to be saved we need to show them the truth found in the Hebrew scriptures.
The "suffering servant" of Isaiah chapter 53, the promise of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 prove that the baby born in a manger was and is the New Covenant Messiah predicted in the Hebrew scriptures.
In the video below you will see a modern Jew who found the promise of the New Covenant in his Hebrew scriptures and came to realize that his Messiah had already come.
He realized that the New Testament is about the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34.
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seventysevens
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You misunderstand what the final 7 years is about........the ending of humankind ruling over humankind
The last 7 years is simply the ending of human governance , after the final 7 years is over it will be Jesus Ruling all the earth / no more will there ever be humankind ruling over anyone
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28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
John 3
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Romans 8
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit
1 Corinthians
11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
Scripture if studied will reveal the GWT judgment is only for the unrighteous not those who obtain salvation through Christ Jesus
Christians will be judged according to how they chose to live after receiving salvation
This judgment is NOT a salvation issue for that is a matter already resolved
Google The Bema Seat of Christ
Some Christians will truly dedicate their lives to serving Christ and some will live in a manner that is just barely sufficient to escape the flames of the lake of fire , Study about the crowns given to Christians and see that some receive more crowns than others according to how they lived their lives
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Matthew Twentyfour
Take up your cross daily, and follow Me. Luke 9:23
Killing a pig is not the abomination of desolation.
When the abomination that makes the temple desolate is set up, the Jews will flee Judea and God will destroy all of Jerusalem and the temple when it happens.
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seventysevens
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I would like to ask only post trib supporters a simple question
WITHOUT using any scripture , please share in your own words what you believe the purpose of a rapture is , what do you believe is accomplished during the rapture?
WITHOUT using any scripture , please share in your own words what you believe the purpose of a rapture is , what do you believe is accomplished during the rapture?
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