Did Obama wiretap Trump Tower ????

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It wouldn't be the first time he lied about something, would it?

The former senior US official with direct knowledge of the Justice Department's investigations said Obama could not have ordered such a warrant. It would have been taken to a judge by investigators, but investigators never sought a warrant to monitor Trump's phones, the former official said.
A federal judge would only have approved a warrant to wiretap Trump's phones if he or she had found probable cause that Trump had committed a federal crime or was a foreign agent.
Former Obama deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes echoed the point in a tweet responding to Trump on Saturday morning.
"No President can order a wiretap. Those restrictions were put in place to protect citizens from people like you," he said in his Twitter post.

Trump falsely accuses Obama of wiretapping his phone - CNNPolitics.com''

Nope, definitely not. He lies so much that at this point it's reasonable to assume that what he's said is false until it's proven true, instead of the other way around.
 
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What really bothers me in this new administration is the use of twitter and other instant messaging forums and that there doesn't seem to be anyone even the least concerned with doing any fact checking on anything.
You should not be surprised that I agree wholeheartedly. Some have argued that we find ourselves in a post-truth world where everything is "spin". Well, that sadly may be the case but surely we need to fight back.
 
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Mark Levine and Breitbart may be the source of all this: Mark Levin to GOP: Investigate Obama's 'Silent Coup' vs. Trump
Whenever Trump tweets about these crazy things, it's usually Breitbart, Infowars, or Drudge Report. It's not hard to figure out, but I'm loath to find it for myself and give them all those page views in the process.

Occasionally, it comes from some random person on Twitter who isn't affiliated with anyone. Those are the fun ones. :neutral:
 
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I think it is as credible as when Trump asserted Obama wasn't a real birth citizen of the United States. Lots of people swallowed that lie, and they'll swallow this one too.
The birth certificate is very fake. You just haven't being paying attention. :)
 
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You should not be surprised that I agree wholeheartedly. Some have argued that we find ourselves in a post-truth world where everything is "spin". Well, that sadly may be the case but surely we need to fight back.

Hi expos4ever,

I just don't get it. There are actually people, living breathing human beings that one would suppose have brains in their heads that believe this stuff:

The birth certificate is very fake. You just haven't being paying attention.

It's just beyond comprehension to me that there are people out there who honestly believe that we didn't really send astronauts to the moon. That all the TV and news coverage of the actual rockets being launched at Cape Canaveral was some sort of grandiose show, but it wasn't men being rocketed into space.

That the holocaust, all the people who have actually walked through the nazi camps and the soldiers who discovered them right after the war was ended. People literally starving as nothing but skin and bones and mass graves with thousands of emaciated bodies lying in them and some people think it was all some sort of show and that the holocaust didn't happen.

I just don't understand how people can be so, forgive me, stupid that they can't believe what they're very eyes see but would listen to some conspiracy theorist tell them that it's all some grand conspiracy to dupe the public.

I've seen some of these conspiracy theorist articles that try to tell us that our own government blew up the World Trade Center and Pentagon. That the Sandy Hook school shooting was just some play act that the government put on. Where do these people come from and what's the matter with their brains?

Honestly, President Trump just seems to be, to some degree, much like them. He actually seems to believe the lies that he tells people.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted
 
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Hi expos4ever,

I just don't get it. There are actually people, living breathing human beings that one would suppose have brains in their heads that believe this stuff:



It's just beyond comprehension to me that there are people out there who honestly believe that we didn't really send astronauts to the moon. That all the TV and news coverage of the actual rockets being launched at Cape Canaveral was some sort of grandiose show, but it wasn't men being rocketed into space.

That the holocaust, all the people who have actually walked through the nazi camps and the soldiers who discovered them right after the war was ended. People literally starving as nothing but skin and bones and mass graves with thousands of emaciated bodies lying in them and some people think it was all some sort of show and that the holocaust didn't happen.

I just don't understand how people can be so, forgive me, stupid that they can't believe what they're very eyes see but would listen to some conspiracy theorist tell them that it's all some grand conspiracy to dupe the public.

I've seen some of these conspiracy theorist articles that try to tell us that our own government blew up the World Trade Center and Pentagon. That the Sandy Hook school shooting was just some play act that the government put on. Where do these people come from and what's the matter with their brains?

Honestly, President Trump just seems to be, to some degree, much like them. He actually seems to believe the lies that he tells people.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted
We should never let emotion dictate what the evidence has to say, and we should always objectively look at both sides before making any informed judgments.

The birth certificate of Obama was never about Obama, but rather it was about the forgery of a document that came out of the White House. The people that were called to clear Obama's name were people that liked him, and they tried to clear it --- they couldn't. The evidence that document was a forgery was very profound.

Source: Forgery of Obama's Birth Certificate.
 
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We should never let emotion dictate what the evidence has to say, and we should always objectively look at both sides before making any informed judgments.

The birth certificate of Obama was never about Obama, but rather it was about the forgery of a document that came out of the White House. The people that were called to clear Obama's name were people that liked him, and they tried to clear it --- they couldn't. The evidence that document was a forgery was very profound.

Source: Forgery of Obama's Birth Certificate.

Why couldn't the republicans come up with experts, to make the case of a forged document then?
 
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Why couldn't the republicans come up with experts, to make the case of a forged document then?
They did. The man leading the investigation asked for second opinions from experts from their respective disciplines from around the world to come to the same conclusion. The results were all consistent that the document was a forgery. It's all in the video press release I provided.
 
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The birth certificate is very fake. You just haven't being paying attention.

Aren't many people still falling for that story. Even Trump finally admitted that it was a lie.

Would you like to learn how we know?
 
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They did. The man leading the investigation asked for second opinions from experts from their respective disciplines from around the world to come to the same conclusion. The results were all consistent that the document was a forgery. It's all in the video press release I provided.

It was all so obviously wrong that they couldn't get even four conservative justices of the Supreme Court to take the accusations seriously.
 
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From that liberal source, the National Review:

We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. The PDF is composed of multiple images. That’s correct. Using a photo editor or PDF viewer of your choice, you can extract this image data, view it, hide it, etc. But these layers, as they’re being called, aren’t layers in the traditional photo-editing sense of the word. They are, quite literally, pieces of image data that have been positioned in a PDF container. They appear as text but also contain glyphs, dots, lines, boxes, squiggles, and random garbage. They’re not combined or merged in any way. Quite simply, they look like they were created programmatically, not by a human. What’s plausible is that somewhere along the way — from the scanning device to the PDF-creation software, both of which can perform OCR (optical character recognition) — these partial/pseudo-text images were created and saved. What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used. It’s likely that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner. Let’s leave it at that. UPDATE: I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home. UPDATE II: For those of you who still aren’t convinced, here’s a one-page PDF that I just scanned and optimized, so you can see for yourself that an optimized PDF shows up in Illustrator as layers. (I didn’t spend hours getting the settings right.)
PDF Layers in Obama's Birth Certificate, by Nathan Goulding, National Review
 
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They did. The man leading the investigation asked for second opinions from experts from their respective disciplines from around the world to come to the same conclusion. The results were all consistent that the document was a forgery. It's all in the video press release I provided.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that this conspiracy theory is still around. Without it, we would probably have a different President right now.
 
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I guess I shouldn't be surprised that this conspiracy theory is still around. Without it, we would probably have a different President right now.
You're welcome to debunk the video press release I provided. Just saying it's a all a conspiracy theory without backing it up doesn't mean much to me.
 
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You're welcome to debunk the video press release I provided. Just saying it's a all a conspiracy theory without backing it up doesn't mean much to me.
Who wants to waste time dealing with someone who buys into subtly racist conspiracy theories?
 
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Who wants to waste time dealing with someone who buys into subtly racist conspiracy theories?
Yeah nah, that nonsense doesn't fly with me. Playing the race card is just a silly deflection from the main issue.
 
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