Neanderthal Burials

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Today at 06:04 PM Mechanical Bliss said this in Post #40

My point was not that death did not exist prior to agriculture; my point was that a non-modern-human species practiced burial rituals and were conscious of death just as modern humans are. How is this reasonable if modern humans are unique creations?

I don't know about the "just as" part. But I believe prehistoric man had more language then just the grunts and groans that has been speculated about them. There are still a very few very primitive groups of people in this world. They are getting few and far in between now a days though.

You seldom get any real studies done on them though. It is to easy to go to the Philippines and hire some professional actors who will act like primitives for your project.
 
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That's still not what I'm talking about. I am not talking about language, nor am I talking about prehistoric "man". H. neanderthalensis is not the same species as modern humans and are not believed to be direct ancestors to H. sapiens but rather an offshoot. Regardless, it is a species that is a hominid, but not human, but they had burial rituals and were apparently conscious of death. My point is that there exists evidence that non-human species also had a consciousness of death and burial rituals that are traits normally attributed to modern human species only by those who advocate that modern humans are special creations with special mental traits that are greatly different from other animals. Clearly H. sapiens was not the only species conscious of death to the point that they had burial rituals.

That is to say, from a "special creation" perspective inclusive of a literal interpretation of the "Garden of Eden" story, was knowledge of death (and corresponding burial rituals) something acquired from God and/or from eating the fruit of the "Tree of Knowledge" given only to modern humans thus separating them from other animals? If not, why not? If so, how do you explain neanderthal burials?
 
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Oh, you think so. Don't let me get in the way of you doing something productive with your time. I would not want you to waste any of your time on my account.

It's not wasted. And you do need correcting.     

You have not shown me anything at all. All you have done is wasted time and tried to be a hinderance to God.

Nice duck. Answer my arguments and data.  


Matthew 24:11-12 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. [12] And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.

Yep, that's you.  Making people falsely choose between God and evolution will drive, and has driven, many away from Christianity. 

Interesting, false prophets seem to be associated with "lawlessness". The truth is, we teach perfection and that man can live free from sin. Just the opposite of being lawless.

You are lawless because you deny God. You pit God against God and deny the laws impressed by God on the universe. 


2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, 

Look at all the false teachings you have tried to pawn off on this forum. 

Now tell me, are you mindful of the things of God. You who want to accuse me?

I'm not accusing you. I'm describing you from the positions and ideas you advocate.
 
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Today at 02:28 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #36

In terms of Adam and Eve, there would have been no death, they had access to the tree of life and it was God's plan for them to live forever.

JohnR7 "Well, between the two of you, then you should be able to find that post and back up what your saying." (that there was no death before sin)

Look above.

Now, remember God told Adam not to eat of the Trees.  And read Genesis 3:22.  Adam was not to eat of the Tree of Life, so it wasn't part of God's plan to have them live forever.  He sent them out of the Garden before they could have a chance to eat of that Tree also.

You apparently make this up as you go along. And you twist Genesis around any way you want.  Isn't that what the serpent did? Twist around the words of God?

Oh, yes, you spoke of lawlessness.  Isn't breaking the 9th commandment part of lawlessness?  Or doesn't a Commandment count as a "law" to you?
 
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Today at 03:29 PM gladiatrix said this in Post #39




Just a "post or 2", eh??!!?? Ask and ye shall receive....
When I entered the search terms "death+sin" and JohR7 (search parameter "return as posts") I got 78 hits, here is a sample...... 

Thank you, Gladiatrix.
 
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Yesterday at 09:31 PM lucaspa said this in Post #43 Now tell me, are you mindful of the things of God. You who want to accuse me?

I'm not accusing you. I'm describing you from the positions and ideas you advocate.

Just answer the question. Are you mindful of the things of God or the things of man? Are you only concerned with the things that are going to be burned up when tested by fire. Or do you still have a little bit of hope that you can get some of your work though the fire.
 
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God created what science would call a foodgather or a prehistoric man on day 6 of creation. Then on day 8 of creation was the dawn of civilization, when God created a food producer or modern man.

Where's the Biblical justification for this?  For all you Christian Biblical scholars out there, do you know of anyone besides John who has this exegesis of Genesis?  Can anyone find any type of textual support for this?  All the literalistic attempts to reconcile Genesis 1 with Genesis 2 have Adam and Eve created on day 6.  After all, Genesis 1 says creation was finished on day 6.  Now John has creation continuing on day 8.   


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What he is refering to is the agricultral revolution, and hes trying to reconcile that with creation.

It does say in genesis that Adam was to become a farmer, however it seems a little odd to see this as an improvement over prehistoric man (or more accuratly pre revolution man) as God made Adam a farmer as punishment for the fruit incident. :confused:

 

Forgive any mistakes in this post as its my first one.  Im not used to all these bells and whistles.
 
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Since the topic about prehistoric hominids came up again, I thought I'd bump this up. The question remains, was knowledge of death (and corresponding burial rituals) something acquired from God and/or from eating the fruit of the "Tree of Knowledge" given only to modern humans thus separating them from other animals? If not, why not? If so, how do you explain neanderthal burials?

The archaeological evidence indicates that non-modern humans were aware of death (and agriculture was practiced, although that's another topic...) before the usual 6,000 years before present figure often brought up by creationists.
 
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