Why would God give the Israelite army women and children as plunder? What would the Israelite army do with them? Also why would God let none Jewish Women mix with the Israelight men? I thought the hole point of completely destroying every living thing inside the promis land was to keep this from happening.
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Chapter 20:10 begins the section about 'taking an enemy city'. It says slaves can be taken if the city surrenders, but if they fight, kill all the men and keep the women and children as 'plunder'; slaves, in other words. The women and children were not to be taken in to families as Jews.
The killing 'everybody' applied only to the cities and ethnic groups in the Promised Land, Canaan.
That probably sounds rather ghastly from a 'modern, enlightened' point of view. Then again, Jesus dying - and in a rather painful and disgusting manner - in order to make me fit for Eternity with God seems a bit 'much' as well.
The killing 'everybody' applied only to the cities and ethnic groups in the Promised Land, Canaan.
That probably sounds rather ghastly from a 'modern, enlightened' point of view. Then again, Jesus dying - and in a rather painful and disgusting manner - in order to make me fit for Eternity with God seems a bit 'much' as well.
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If I recall correctly, Jewish men weren't supposed to marry "outside of the faith", either.
I could think of a hundred things to do with an actual slave, though. I need to do my taxes from 2012 still.
I could think of a hundred things to do with an actual slave, though. I need to do my taxes from 2012 still.
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Off topic. Your signature says that we should live by Torah, i.e., God's written law. Since Christ has come and died, the Torah has been superseded for all Christians.
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Do you agree that the Psalms are Scripture and that all Scripture is true and profitable for training in righteousness and equipping us to do every good work (2 Timothy 3:16-17)? I could not include the citations because of the character limit in signatures, but my signature quotes from Psalms 119:1, Psalms 119:53, Psalms 119:142, and Psalms 119:174. Paul also delighted in obeying the Torah (Romans 7:22), so I think he was on the same page as David.
Titus 2:11-14 For God’s grace, which brings deliverance, has appeared to all people. 12 It teaches us to renounce godlessness and worldly pleasures, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives now, in this age; 13 while continuing to expect the blessed fulfillment of our certain hope, which is the appearing of the Sh’khinah of our great God and the appearing of our Deliverer, Yeshua the Messiah. 14 He gave himself up on our behalf in order to free us from all violation of Torah and purify for himself a people who would be his own, eager to do good.
Our salvation involves being trained by grace to do what God has revealed to be godly, righteous, and good, and trained to renounce doing what He has revealed to be ungodly and sinful, which is essentially what the Torah was give to instruct us how to do (Romans 7:7, Romans 7:12). It does not say that Christ gave himself to free us from the Torah, but to free us from living lives in violation of the Torah to purify for himself a people who would be free and zealous to do the good works that it instructs (Acts 21:20). The Torah was given to reveal what sin is (Romans 3:20), without the Torah we wouldn't even know what sin is (Romans 7:7), sin is defined as Torahlessness (1 John 3:4), and Christ was sinless, which means that he set a perfect example of how to walk in obedience to the Torah, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), and to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:3-6).
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You're welcome, there is a lot of good information at that site, so here is the index if you want to bookmark it:
http://christianthinktank.com/topix.html
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You can rationalize it any way you want, but clearly you put Torah above everything else. Among other things you say "Torah is truth"; Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life". Your signature is pure Judaism. End of this off-topic discussion.
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The Torah is the way (Exodus 18:20, Deuteronomy 5:33, Deuteronomy 8:6, Deuteronomy 26:16-17, Deuteronomy 28:9, Isaiah 2:3, Jeremiah 6:16-19, Psalms 119:1, Matthew 3:3, Matthew 22:16), the truth (Psalms 119:142, Psalms 119:151, John 17:17), and the life (Proverbs 13:14, Matthew 19:17, Deuteronomy 30:15-20), Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6), the Torah is God's Word, and Messiah is God's Word made flesh, so trying to separate following one from following the other will leave you with only half the truth.
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But isn't the Torah the Word of God, and didn't John say in his gospel that Jesus is the Word? So isn't Jesus basically the living embodiment of the Torah, just like he would be the living embodiment of the Bible?
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Hold your horses! Let us check the whole verses.
Deuteronomy 20:13-14 New International Version (NIV)
When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies.
The ancient Israel is at war. War is cruel. The order was to take no prisoners. Enemy women and children are to be taken alive. Their livestock taken likewise. There is no Geneva Convention governing the conduct of war then. That is the norm during those days and its pretty sure that the non Israelite enemy combatants are following this battle order too, should the Israelite army be defeated. War isn't a pretty thing to be in.
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