Was or is YHWH, or the God that interacted with men in the OT 100% completely omniscient...?

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So you think the Creator of the universe is winging it?

He created all of the planets, the moons the stars and yet had no idea what will happen and is living life day by day like us? Now that to me seems so silly.

People do not realize that the more that they create a God like man, that they have a God like man, which would not be God.
Except for Jesus, right...? Who himself said the Father God was "greater" than him, but also that he was God along with, and was and has been always "one" with the Father from the very beginning...

I am saying that one or possibly two of the three co-creator's may not be 100% fully omniscient, and that God of the OT may not be the Father, but the Son primarily acting/reacting and dealing with us, who the Father was with and in, but letting him, the Son do everything, and be God to us, who may not have been 100% fully omniscient, is what I'm trying to figure out...

I don't think your "getting it" and I don't know how I can make myself any more clear...

God Bless!
 
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The art of prediction and how it can be used by powers (principalities) (those in high positions of power and control) How the art of prediction can be used by "powers" to manipulate, control, and dominate (keep subdued or in subjection) those not in positions of power and control...

Conspiracy theories are everywhere, especially in this age, with the internet especially... Some say, (for example) that there was a conspiracy behind the 911 attacks involving our own government, in order and for the purposes of manipulating us somehow...

Some claim they can even "prove it"... But, if there was a conspiracy by our own government, they would have looked into all the problems involved in the people "finding out" and would have already planned, ahead of time, accordingly...

They already knew, (if it was, or is true), they could already predict that a minority might and probably would "find out" and try to inform and convince the rest of the public, and would have, already knew, or known, ahead of time, and could predict that the few that would find out, would basically get lost in all the rest of the "noise" or other conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists out there... And, would be unable to convince the public, (if it was or is true)...

For the sake of argument, let's say it was true... They had a certain amount of foresight or "omniscience" that gave/gives them "power"... And they still do have and some say some certain groups "have had" for a long time, a certain amount of omniscience, (by which they have been using to control and manipulate the world for a while now)... (But, it is limited, they can't predict all, as to manipulate "everything", but a great deal of it, maybe)...

Anyhow, They are doing it for selfish and self-serving, self-benefiting reasons and goals in mind, like our enemy does, he has a certain amount of omniscience, but is limited by man, and what only man knows or can know... Jesus, the Son of God, or YHWH, has more "omniscience" than that, perhaps that of what all angels know or something, but he uses it for good, not evil...

But, is it "limited" compared to the Father God, and is the Father God, the "only one", truly 100% completely "omniscient"... Not needing to interfere or intervene or try to control or manipulate everything or anything, being able to predict all from the very first act, or action taken, in the very beginning....

That's the question here...?

God Bless!

With "One nation, under surveillance" nowadays they probably also know that they could keep close tabs on people that could become a potential threat to exposing them, and could assassinate them if and when they did, or do...

I think there is information by the real powers that be that are of man, that most president's were not, or not even privy too... I don't think the new world order will let Trump in, cause he would try to expose them, and they would have to arrange to have him assassinated (by blaming it on someone else, or some other group) if he did, or was going too...

Anyhow, just wanted to add that...

God Bless!

One good example of this kind of evil is in the Star Wars films, with Senator Palpatine, or Darth Sidious, or the Emperor, and all that he did in them, "Everything is going according to my design..." (laughing an evil, sidious laugh all the way)...

Creating a problem just to solve or fix it, but only making, and making absolutely sure only the "fixing" or "solving it" part was known by most, the public and public knowledge, so they would see him as some kind of "savior"...

Oh, how easily history can and does repeat itself... The rise of Antichrist, or many Antichrists throughout history, even told in fable, like Star Wars...

God Bless!

One way the Antichrist could rise like this, is, say, a private secret elite group was secretly running the world or trying to run the world or was planning on putting themselves into permanent positions to be always able to control and run the world, without anyone except them knowing about it...

Say they could predict that the economic system is unsustainable, and was destined to collapse sometime... So, they got together and concocted a plan to speed it along or cause it to collapse or be affected in such a way, that they keep and even tighten their grip of power and control of the world, secretly...

Say, they hatched a plan to make the economic system collapse, then wait for a certain amount of time till the public or those not "in the know" of this, like them, to be on their knees... Then, causing one of them whom they have chosen, that was part of causing it, or maybe even hatched the main plan to cause it, to then, "step into/onto the scene" of the spotlight or limelight of the world, with many ingenious solutions to all the worlds problems, making grandiose speeches, that would win the hearts and minds of all the rest of the people...

All of it, all a part of the plan that they, (their group), had all thought about, discussed and concocted (conspired with a plan to all do) way, way, ahead of time... And they could predict that all of this would work, and no one would find out that they caused the problem and the collapse, with all of this planned out way ahead of time, in the first place... All to gain even more power and control over all the rest of the world, but no one knew of this, so they would all blindly follow and fall in line... Which was their plan(s) all along...

Some say this will happen, some say it has already happened and has happened before (911) some say was like this with president Bush...

I don't claim to know, but, I do think there are forces in this world that are thinking in this/these ways towards "the rest of us"...

Usually they plan wars and manipulate the military's of nations and people groups, in with these plans as well...

God Bless!
 
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Yahwey The Father And Yahwey The Son

GOD CANT BE SEEN GOD IS SEEN

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


This will explain, how no one can see God & live. Yet, many see Him and do live.

THREE SCRIPTURE THAT ARE CLEAR. NO HUMAN CAN SEE/STAND IN THE FATHERS PRESENTS:
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, but the only is at the Father's side, has made him known
(Only the Son has seen the Father)

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
(No man has seen the Father. Only the Son who is of the Father, has seen the Father)

1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: Amen.
(The Son is the only immortal being within our universe. That can dwell in the Fathers light. No mortal can approach, see or stand in the Father's presents)

SCRIPTURES WHERE MAN SAW GOD. THEY DID NOT SEE GOD THE FATHER. THEY SAW GOD THE SON.

Genesis 14: Abram see's & has communion with Melchizedek.

Hebrews 7:3 Melchizdedek is: Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God;
(Abraham see & communions with God the Son)

Abraham see's God in Gen 12:7, 17:1, & 18:1 Here he see's God and in verse 5 Abraham eats with God. Abraham see's God & lives

Exodus 6:3 Jehovah tells Moses: He appeared to Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob.
(Jehovah is the Son, NOT THE FATHER)

Gen 32:24-30 Jacob see's God face to face & wrestles with Him...Jacob see's God & lives
(Jacob see & wrestles with the God the Son, NOT THE FATHER)

Gen 35:9 Jacob see's God. verse 11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty...Jacob see's God & lives
(God Almighty is the Son. NOT THE FATHER)

Genesis 48:3 Jacob tells Joseph he saw God
(No man can see the Father. He saw God the Son)

Judges 6:22 & 23 Gideon see's the LORD face to face and talks to Him and lives.

Judges 13:22 Samson's parents see God and live

Acts 7:2 confirms, Abraham saw God and lived

HERE IT IS:
1 Cor 8:
6 There is but one God, the Father, """of whom are all things""", and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, """by whom are all things""", and we by him.

(8 (A) To us there is but one God, the Yahweh/Father, of whom are all things: There is but one eternal First Cause and fountain of existence)

(8 (B) By whom are all things: Jehovah=Yahweh=God the Son, the Eternal Word or Reason of the Father. The Son is the Agent by Whom the Father works in our creation, preservation, redemption, regeneration of all things within our universe)

Zech 12:8-10 Identifies Jehovah=Yahweh with Jesus Christ
8) The LORD (Jehovah=Yahweh) defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; & he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; & the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them

9) it shall come to pass in that day, "I" will seek to destroy all the nationsthat come against Jerusalem

10) I will pour upon the house of David, & upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace & of supplications & they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, & they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, & shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first born

(Ok, In verse 8 the LORD, (Jehovah=Yahweh), is speaking. In verses 9 & 10 the pronoun, "I", refers to the same LORD, or Jehovah=Yahweh "I" will seek to destroy & "I" will pout out upon the house of David

"""HERE"S THE KEY"""
Vs 10 they shall look upon me (Jehovah=Yahweh) whom they pierced & they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, & shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first born
(Jehovah=Yahweh is God the Son)

Clearly, Jehovah=Yahweh is stating that it is HE the only begotten & the first born son of the Father, even Jesus Christ, that shall be pierced & mourned, for whom they shall be in bitterness
(Jehovah=Yahweh/Son=God the Son)

Yahweh/Son has Yahweh/Father's name. Ex 23:21 (D) "FOR MY NAME IS IN HIM" And with the name come's ALL POWER & AUTHORITY!

Before creation the pre-existing determinate counsel, Father-Son-Holy Spirit. Planned & executed the plan for our universe. The Son/Yahweh is the agent by whom the Father works in our universe & in the preservation of all things in this realm

After creation the Yahweh/Son rested from his work. After the finished the work of redemption Son/Jesus. He goes to Heaven and sits down next at the right hand of Yahweh/Father.

The Son Yahweh/Jesus is PREEMINENT is ALL things within our realm: Creation, Redemption, Resurrection, Mediation & Jugdment. Maranatha
 
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Yahwey The Father And Yahwey The Son

GOD CANT BE SEEN GOD IS SEEN

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


This will explain, how no one can see God & live. Yet, many see Him and do live.

THREE SCRIPTURE THAT ARE CLEAR. NO HUMAN CAN SEE/STAND IN THE FATHERS PRESENTS:
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, but the only is at the Father's side, has made him known
(Only the Son has seen the Father)

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
(No man has seen the Father. Only the Son who is of the Father, has seen the Father)

1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: Amen.
(The Son is the only immortal being within our universe. That can dwell in the Fathers light. No mortal can approach, see or stand in the Father's presents)

SCRIPTURES WHERE MAN SAW GOD. THEY DID NOT SEE GOD THE FATHER. THEY SAW GOD THE SON.

Genesis 14: Abram see's & has communion with Melchizedek.

Hebrews 7:3 Melchizdedek is: Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God;
(Abraham see & communions with God the Son)

Abraham see's God in Gen 12:7, 17:1, & 18:1 Here he see's God and in verse 5 Abraham eats with God. Abraham see's God & lives

Exodus 6:3 Jehovah tells Moses: He appeared to Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob.
(Jehovah is the Son, NOT THE FATHER)

Gen 32:24-30 Jacob see's God face to face & wrestles with Him...Jacob see's God & lives
(Jacob see & wrestles with the God the Son, NOT THE FATHER)

Gen 35:9 Jacob see's God. verse 11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty...Jacob see's God & lives
(God Almighty is the Son. NOT THE FATHER)

Genesis 48:3 Jacob tells Joseph he saw God
(No man can see the Father. He saw God the Son)

Judges 6:22 & 23 Gideon see's the LORD face to face and talks to Him and lives.

Judges 13:22 Samson's parents see God and live

Acts 7:2 confirms, Abraham saw God and lived

HERE IT IS:
1 Cor 8:
6 There is but one God, the Father, """of whom are all things""", and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, """by whom are all things""", and we by him.

(8 (A) To us there is but one God, the Yahweh/Father, of whom are all things: There is but one eternal First Cause and fountain of existence)

(8 (B) By whom are all things: Jehovah=Yahweh=God the Son, the Eternal Word or Reason of the Father. The Son is the Agent by Whom the Father works in our creation, preservation, redemption, regeneration of all things within our universe)

Zech 12:8-10 Identifies Jehovah=Yahweh with Jesus Christ
8) The LORD (Jehovah=Yahweh) defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; & he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; & the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them

9) it shall come to pass in that day, "I" will seek to destroy all the nationsthat come against Jerusalem

10) I will pour upon the house of David, & upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace & of supplications & they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, & they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, & shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first born

(Ok, In verse 8 the LORD, (Jehovah=Yahweh), is speaking. In verses 9 & 10 the pronoun, "I", refers to the same LORD, or Jehovah=Yahweh "I" will seek to destroy & "I" will pout out upon the house of David

"""HERE"S THE KEY"""
Vs 10 they shall look upon me (Jehovah=Yahweh) whom they pierced & they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, & shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first born
(Jehovah=Yahweh is God the Son)

Clearly, Jehovah=Yahweh is stating that it is HE the only begotten & the first born son of the Father, even Jesus Christ, that shall be pierced & mourned, for whom they shall be in bitterness
(Jehovah=Yahweh/Son=God the Son)

Yahweh/Son has Yahweh/Father's name. Ex 23:21 (D) "FOR MY NAME IS IN HIM" And with the name come's ALL POWER & AUTHORITY!

Before creation the pre-existing determinate counsel, Father-Son-Holy Spirit. Planned & executed the plan for our universe. The Son/Yahweh is the agent by whom the Father works in our universe & in the preservation of all things in this realm

After creation the Yahweh/Son rested from his work. After the finished the work of redemption Son/Jesus. He goes to Heaven and sits down next at the right hand of Yahweh/Father.

The Son Yahweh/Jesus is PREEMINENT is ALL things within our realm: Creation, Redemption, Resurrection, Mediation & Jugdment. Maranatha
Glad to see were in complete agreement, thanks for all the work energy and effort...

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Lord, Peter says, "You are The Son of God..." However I say, "You are God, the Son..."

You are YHWH, the one of the Godhead who dealt in personal interactions with people (us) from the beginning... You were in the beginning before anything was made with The Father, whom no man, no one, has ever seen or heard or beheld, except you only, Lord...

Greater than "all" of "us" created beings, cause you are un-created and have always been... You are greater than "all" of "us" only not as great as the Father God, and only, and that is only because of your having to "step down" into your creation to be with and interact with us (get to that in a minute)...

You Created all things by the Power of the Father and the Spirit... All things were and are made by you, and everything is, was, and will be, established by your word, through the Father's and the Spirit's power...

Lord I was taught recently, that, "In the beginning" in Hebrew also means, "Behold, a (or the), cross"... Is that true...? Lord, did you lose something, some of your former glory you had along with the Father before anything was made, created, or brought into being, when, you had to "step down" "into" your creation to interact and be a part of it...?

To interact with us, to be a part of your creation, did you have to give something up?, like 100% omniscience to do that...? But, none of your omnipotence, or omnipresence...?

You are God, the Son, Lord... Greater than all and anyone of us, man or angel, and greater than "the", or our enemy as well... Second only to the Father alone...

Lord, how do we get to "know" the Father, "through" you...?

God Bless!
 
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Was or is YHWH, or the God that interacted with men in the OT 100% completely omniscient...?

I need help with this, and it's very important for me to know this, as a great deal of some of my theories and piecing them together, hinges on this...

Was or is YHWH, or the God that interacted with men in the OT 100% completely omniscient? Or, not...?

It would seem to me that a God who was 100% completely omniscient and predetermined and predestined all, would not have any need to interfere or interact at all, from the moment he created all, or set everything in motion...

Why would he need to interact or interfere or intervene, except for maybe a predetermined time when all would turn to him and all would cry out and beg and plea, all saying and admitting their desperate need for such an entity, which that entity would know way, way ahead of time, anyhow, would not need to interfere, interact, or intervene, except for a predetermined time, when all would be on their knees begging to be saved and rescued by such a one...

But, other than that, why would such a one need to at all...?

A little help would be greatly appreciated...

Comments...?

God Bless!


Jesus is YHWH, the Lord God.

It was the Spirit of Christ, in the Old Testament prophets, speaking through them.


10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11


He is also in all things, and upholds all things, by the power of His word.

God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. Hebrews 1:1-4

and again

8 But to the Son He says:

Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

10 And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Hebrews 1:8-10




Example:

The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: ... 10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
Zechariah 12:1,10



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Glad to see were in complete agreement, thanks for all the work energy and effort...

God Bless!

For years I grappled with the Trinity equality commentary's.

Genesis 1:1 BRESHEET BARA ELOHIM = In the beginning God created. The word God is Elohim.

Any Hebrew word ending in "im" is plural.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let "us" make man in "our" image

Lets parse vs 26 And "God said" (not god's) Let "us" (not me or I) make man in "our" image

Genesis 11:7 Let "us" go down, & there confound their language

8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, & who will go for "us"? Then said I, Here am I; send me (Isa 6:8 48:16 & 61:1)

In these 3 passages, the plural pronoun for 'Us' is used. That 'Elohim' & 'us' refers to more than TWO is without question. In English, you only have two forms: singular & plural

In Hebrew, you have three forms: singular, dual & plural. Dual is for TWO only. In Hebrew, the dual form is used for things that come in pairs example: eyes, ears, & hands

And the pronoun 'us' are plural forms. Definitely more than 2 & must be referring to 3 or more. Father, Son, & Holy Spirit!

The Holy Spirit, was also an agent in creation (Gen 1:2)

Since the Hebrew word for “spirit” is often translated as “wind” or “breath,” we can see the activity of all three persons of the "Godhead" in one verse: By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth” (Ps 33:6)

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of "us"

I see 3 personalities in these scriptures. I prefer the term Godhead (Acts 17:29, Rom 1:20 & Col 2:9) This Godhead is the determinate counsel (Acts 2:23)


Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Heb 1:3 Darby Bible: The Son is the effulgence of Father's glory & the expression of Father's substance.

Heb 1:3 World English Bible: The Son is the radiance of Father's glory, the very image of Father's substance. Young's Literal

It's hard to wrap out finite minds around this. The Son is the same substance of the Father.

Isaiah 6:
1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
(Isaiah see's Jehovah sitting high & mighty on a throne. The train = the Shekinah Glory of the Lord, who clothes Himself with light as with a garment. see Ex 33:22-23).

2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
(Above Jehovahs throne, Isaiah see's Seraphim angels; primary meaning: the burning ones. Each of the Seraphims had 6 wings. Twain = 2 wings; covered their face. The Brightness-Shekinah GLORY of Jehovah is so great. Even fiery anglelic beings must cover thier face in God's presents. 2 wings covered their feet & with 2 wings they flew upon God's command hearkening unto the voice of his word. see psalms 103:19-21)

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
(The Son & the Spirit can stand in the Brightness-Shekinah GLORY)

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: Amen.
(The Son & the Spirit can stand in the Brightness-Shekinah GLORY)

Again, I see 3 personalities in these scriptures. I prefer the term Godhead. The Spirit never sends the Son of Father, The Son never sends the Father, The Father never prays to the Son, The Son states the Father is Greater the Him. (But, not inside our realm. The Father gave All things to the Son. The Son is absolute in our universe.

So, My view parts from the Trinity equality view.

I understand many disagree with my opinion. No harm, no foul, that’s their privilege. I'm simply sharing my own thoughts on some bible verses. My view isn't going to lead anyone else into a lost eternity. For that we all must choose for ourselves.

Final though for the finite mind:

Today we hear "How is it possible," for God to be 3 & 1 all at the same time? It is illogical, unreasonable, & God is not the author of confusion

A fact of chemistry that plain water, when placed in a vacuum under gas pressure of 230 millimeters & at a temperature of 0 degrees Centigrade. Will solidify it into ice at the bottom of the container, the liquid will remain in the center and at the top it vaporizes!

At a given moment the same water is both solid, liquid & gas, yet all 3 are manifestations of the same base substance H2O - hydrogen/two parts - oxygen/one part

The solid is not the liquid; the liquid is not the gas; and yet all 3 are of one nature: H2O. And that is exactly how it is with the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit.

The Father is not the Son, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, & Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.

Can’t the Creator of this substance be Father, Son & Holy Spirit. 3 Persons & 1 Nature as Spirit without violating the law of logic or reason

If God were deduced to a mathematical formula he would not be 1+1+1=3 But, would be 1x1x1=1, a unified 1.

Each person dwells in the other 2 which makes God indivisible & unquantifiable
 
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If God were deduced to a mathematical formula he would not be 1+1+1=3 But, would be 1x1x1=1, a unified 1.


How about a human family?


What would be the formula for a human family based on this scripture.

31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Ephesians 5:31-32


The two, a man and a woman that become 1 flesh.


The way a man and a woman become one flesh, is by procreation, whereby they beget, conceive and give birth to a child that represents both the father and mother.

The child having characteristics from each parent.


Please share the mathematical formula for this.



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Was or is YHWH, or the God that interacted with men in the OT 100% completely omniscient...?

I need help with this, and it's very important for me to know this, as a great deal of some of my theories and piecing them together, hinges on this...

Was or is YHWH, or the God that interacted with men in the OT 100% completely omniscient? Or, not...?

It would seem to me that a God who was 100% completely omniscient and predetermined and predestined all, would not have any need to interfere or interact at all, from the moment he created all, or set everything in motion...

Why would he need to interact or interfere or intervene, except for maybe a predetermined time when all would turn to him and all would cry out and beg and plea, all saying and admitting their desperate need for such an entity, which that entity would know way, way ahead of time, anyhow, would not need to interfere, interact, or intervene, except for a predetermined time, when all would be on their knees begging to be saved and rescued by such a one...

But, other than that, why would such a one need to at all...?

A little help would be greatly appreciated...

Comments...?

God Bless!
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Was or is YHWH, or the God that interacted with men in the OT 100% completely omniscient...?

I need help with this, and it's very important for me to know this, as a great deal of some of my theories and piecing them together, hinges on this...

Was or is YHWH, or the God that interacted with men in the OT 100% completely omniscient? Or, not...?

It would seem to me that a God who was 100% completely omniscient and predetermined and predestined all, would not have any need to interfere or interact at all, from the moment he created all, or set everything in motion...

Why would he need to interact or interfere or intervene, except for maybe a predetermined time when all would turn to him and all would cry out and beg and plea, all saying and admitting their desperate need for such an entity, which that entity would know way, way ahead of time, anyhow, would not need to interfere, interact, or intervene, except for a predetermined time, when all would be on their knees begging to be saved and rescued by such a one...

But, other than that, why would such a one need to at all...?

A little help would be greatly appreciated...

Comments...?

God Bless!
Here's a great site that has a lot of articles on the godhead and other subjects. Here A Little, There A Little - Here a little, there a little - Index

God, the Father, is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. God, the Father was not the one who interacted with men in the Old Testament.
JOHN 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. (NKJV)
JOHN 5:37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form." (NKJV)
JOHN 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, except he who is from God, he hath seen the Father." (RWB)
I TIMOTHY 6:14 . . . Our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 who at the due time will be revealed by God, the blessed and only Ruler of all, the King of kings and the Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal, whose home is in inaccessible light, whom no man has seen and no man is able to see: to him be honor and everlasting power. Amen. (Jerusalem Bible)
I JOHN 4:12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us. (NKJV)

The one who interacted with men in the Old Testament was the angel of the Lord, the one who became our Messiah, otherwise known as the God of Israel. DEUTERONOMY 32:7 Remember the days of old; consider the years of many generations; ask your father, and he will show you, your elders, and they will tell you. 8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when He divided mankind, He fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. 9 But the LORD's portion is His people, Jacob His allotted heritage. (ESV)

With regard to your question at hand, this article has the answers. Jesus Christ (Yeshua Ha'Mashiach) in the Old Testament - Here a little, there a little - Godhead
 
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Was or is YHWH, or the God that interacted with men in the OT 100% completely omniscient...?

I need help with this, and it's very important for me to know this, as a great deal of some of my theories and piecing them together, hinges on this...

Was or is YHWH, or the God that interacted with men in the OT 100% completely omniscient? Or, not...?

It would seem to me that a God who was 100% completely omniscient and predetermined and predestined all, would not have any need to interfere or interact at all, from the moment he created all, or set everything in motion...

Why would he need to interact or interfere or intervene, except for maybe a predetermined time when all would turn to him and all would cry out and beg and plea, all saying and admitting their desperate need for such an entity, which that entity would know way, way ahead of time, anyhow, would not need to interfere, interact, or intervene, except for a predetermined time, when all would be on their knees begging to be saved and rescued by such a one...

But, other than that, why would such a one need to at all...?

A little help would be greatly appreciated...

Comments...?

God Bless!
First of all I have to remember that scholars greater than I who devoted their lives to study, and for thousands of years ingrained in seeking the truth, have the answers I have just begun to question. So i doubt I can ask a question that hasn't already been asked and answered. But, just as you need an answer so does each man in turn need to find an answer in a universe which our God created for us. A physical, balanced, hard universe which we needed, not He needed. He certainly does not need earth, or the sun, or the moon, nor the planets, nor space, nor time to be the God that He is, but we do. And remember that God created us as companion, a friend. He walked with our forefather Adam in the garden. We, not He, sought woman. We, not He, committed the sin which caused us to be cast out. Had we been obedient, we would still be walking with our God, in the Garden and you would not need to ask that question. "I am that I am" is sufficient for me. But for you who it isn't, Imagine all that you know with one exception. Take God's interaction with Adam and Eve completely out of the first encounters. Off of the Mountain with Moses. Out of the picture all together. God is still omniscient, and omnipotent but never interacts with man. Piece together the history of mankind without any interaction but with the notion of free will. Where do we arrive in this day and this time and this space without the ONLY God to walk with us and talk with us in the Garden on the first day?
 
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Except for Jesus, right...? Who himself said the Father God was "greater" than him, but also that he was God along with, and was and has been always "one" with the Father from the very beginning...

I am saying that one or possibly two of the three co-creator's may not be 100% fully omniscient, and that God of the OT may not be the Father, but the Son primarily acting/reacting and dealing with us, who the Father was with and in, but letting him, the Son do everything, and be God to us, who may not have been 100% fully omniscient, is what I'm trying to figure out...

I don't think your "getting it" and I don't know how I can make myself any more clear...

God Bless!
I believe that God, tge Trinity functions in perfect love and with that a God in total agreement and love does not or would not care who makes a decision or not, because they are in perfect union and agreement.

I don’t care that I am not God when I am a co-heir with Christ to the Father

That is my point. That God’s will be done not mine, but that means I believe His will is best and better than mine. I don’t need to know all the specifics, He has told me enough and I know of His love and care for me.

Like in the Bible when it talks about the body and how it has many members, not all are hands, or feet, or torso but when functioning together it is beautiful and it works together. Something like that.

Does that make more sense?
 
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God, the Father in Isaiah 46, or the Lord, who is YHWH...?

As for Isiah 1 it says the Lord, and there seems to be some distinction between God, and the Lord

(1 Corinthians 8:6) (2 Corinthians 1:3) (2 Corinthians 11:31)

Oh, heck, I'll just cut and paste...




To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the LordJesus Christ.
Rom 15:6

that you may with one mind and one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 1:3

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the LordJesus Christ.
1Co 8:6

yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
2Co 1:2

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the LordJesus Christ.
2Co 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2Co 6:18

The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is blessed forever, knows that I am not lying.
Gal 1:3

Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our LordJesus Christ,
Eph 1:2

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the LordJesus Christ.
Eph 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
Eph 1:17

that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him,
Eph 3:14

For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 5:20

giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 6:23

Peace to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Fatherand the Lord Jesus Christ.
Phl 1:2

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the LordJesus Christ.
Phl 2:11

and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Col 1:2

To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are in Colosse:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the LordJesus Christ.Col 1:3

We give thanks to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
Col 3:17

And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.
1Th 1:1

Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy,
To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the LordJesus Christ.1Th 1:3

remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father,
1Th 3:11

Now may our God and Father Himself, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way to you.
1Th 3:13

so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.
2Th 1:1

Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy,
To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:2

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.



Point is their is most definitely a difference between the Lord and God, the Father...



Here's some more:

yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
1Co 15:24

Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
Gal 1:1

Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead),
Gal 1:3

Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 5:20

giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 6:23

Peace to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Fatherand the Lord Jesus Christ.
Phl 2:11

and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Col 3:17

And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of theLord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.
1Th 1:1

Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy,
To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and theLord Jesus Christ:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.2Ti 1:2

To Timothy, a beloved son:
Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
Tit 1:4

To Titus, a true son in our common faith:
Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ1Pe 1:2

elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of theblood of Jesus Christ:
Grace to you and peace be multiplied.
2Pe 1:17

For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
2Jo 1:3

Grace, mercy, and peace will be with youJde 1:1

Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James,
To those who are called, sanctified[fn] by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ:



God Bless!

This message isn't for everyone, but for they who have eyes to read it, let them read it:

First, in John 10:30-36, Yahushua Christ makes a bold claim and is accused of making Himself God. How does he refute this accusation?

Second, in 1 Corinthians 15:24-28, Paul explains what happens at the end. What relationship does he describe the Son having with the Father?

Praise Yahweh through Yahushua Christ!
 
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But, why would God ever be angry? Or be hurt? Or seem to surprised? Or change his mind? Or be or seem to be tempermental, or get irritated, or lose his patience...? If he was 100% completely omniscient...?

The only explanation I can possibly think of, is that, if he was, he did those things, and showed those kind of feelings and emotions, and did what he did, cause it had to be done that way, and could not have been done any other way, to set up his future purposes and next steps that he wanted to show us...

But, "Why" is still the question, if he was purposefully acting emotional toward us on and for a purpose, "Why" and "what is" that "purpose"...?

For us to be able to know him, maybe...? But, he appears to not be that different from a flawed, emotional man, in that case... And what would be the purpose in showing us that...?

God Bless!

Gen 1
[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
Gen 1
[31] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
Gen 1
[16] And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2
[17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 5
[3] And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image;


But, why would God ever be angry? Or be hurt? Or seem to surprised? Or change his mind? Or be or seem to be tempermental, or get irritated, or lose his patience...? If he was 100% completely omniscient...?

God created mankind in his image and likeness.
God created mankind (very good).
God is mankind's teacher.

Mankind procreates his offspring, in his image and likeness
Mankind's offspring, is created (we call innocent babes)
Mankind is his offspring's teacher.

Why be ?

angry,
hurt,
surprised,
change mind,
temperamental,
irritated,
lose patience

I would say, for the same reason men have those same feelings ~ Disappointment ~

Disappointment ~ of what?
Disappointment ~ of trust

A man who loves his own child, before it is born
A man who teaches his own child, knowledge,
.....for how to do good, and how to avoid bad.

Rebellion ~ of what?
Rebellion ~ of trust

A man whose own child, begins to distrust his teacher ~ his parent
A man whose own child, begins to trust himself, trust others, ~ before "he understands" the consequences.

Our "emotions" are "reactions" to ~ "rebellious" behavior of our children.
God's "emotions" are "reactions" to ~ "rebellious" behavior of His children.

Even God "teaches" us "HOW" we will "react" to ~
"rebellion" and "distrust" and "disappointment" of "our children".

And the same ~

We have "emotions" and "reactions" to ~
"acceptable" behavior of our children.

So also, does God have "emotions" and "reactions" to ~
"acceptable" behavior of his children.

God as well teaches us "His reaction" to "acceptable" behavior of His children.

Man as well teaches "his reaction" to "acceptable" behavior of his children.

(rewards, blessings, comfort, etc.)

God Bless,
SBC
 
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Except for Jesus, right...? Who himself said the Father God was "greater" than him, but also that he was God along with, and was and has been always "one" with the Father from the very beginning...

I am saying that one or possibly two of the three co-creator's may not be 100% fully omniscient, and that God of the OT may not be the Father, but the Son primarily acting/reacting and dealing with us, who the Father was with and in, but letting him, the Son do everything, and be God to us, who may not have been 100% fully omniscient, is what I'm trying to figure out...

I don't think your "getting it" and I don't know how I can make myself any more clear...

God Bless!
The Bible says Jesus created the heavens and tge earth.

So which is the non omnipotent God, the Father or Holy Spirit? Or both in your opinion.
 
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The Bible says Jesus created the heavens and tge earth.

So which is the non omnipotent God, the Father or Holy Spirit? Or both in your opinion.
I may suggest the theory, that our God put off (laid aside) some things about himself associated with his divinity, like perhaps, "full omniscience", (some of his glory) to "step down" into (his) creation and be a part of and interact with his Creation... And do what he did... To show us not only him and his heart, but the Father's also by him... (and ours as well)...

"In the beginning" can also mean, "behold a cross" in Hebrew...

A cross means something, or some things were "sacrificed"...

God Bless!
 
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So, you don't believe that the Bible is God's own words about himself, but man's, what? Delusions...?

I don't believe that, that would mean those men were either liars, or were being deceived...

If YHWH wasn't 100% omniscient, then I believe YHWH was God, the Son, and only God, the Father was 100% completely omniscient, and his Son was meant to show us, both his/their and at the same time "our" and man's heart and how God is "like us" in like the way they can "feel" like us...

God Bless!

Mans "Point of view". For a fine example: The Synoptic Gospels.
Same message, different people's point of view or experience.
The scriptures were inspired by the the Holy Spirit. Not new age channeling.
 
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I may suggest the theory, that our God put off (laid aside) some things about himself associated with his divinity, like perhaps, "full omniscience", (some of his glory) to "step down" into (his) creation and be a part of and interact with his Creation... And do what he did... To show us not only him and his heart, but the Father's also by him... (and ours as well)...

"In the beginning" can also mean, "behold a cross" in Hebrew...

A cross means something, or some things were "sacrificed"...

God Bless!
But Jesus had not stepped down in creation. Jesus was with and was God during creation
 
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