Will There Be Children?

dfw69 · Feb 27, 2017

keras said:
The Jews are in no way excluded, they have the same opportunity as anyone to accept salvation. Mostly they continue to reject it, just like the rest of the world.

But a remnant of Israel will be saved in the last days to receive her king and high priest and the world will be blessed because she will finally receive her king sent to them from the lord

The false prophets and leaders are already among us.

I have not heard any false prophets say "the messiah is here" "come to Jerusalem to behold and hear him"....so this is yet to be fulfilled

I have 4 scriptures that plainly say that God's Holy people are in all of the holy Land, soon after the Day of Wrath.

Isaiah 62:1-2a For Zion’s sake, I shall not keep silent – until her victory shines forth, like the sunrise, her victory like a blazing torch. The nations will see your victory and their rulers your glory.
Isaiah prophesies for the sake of the Land of Israel. There will be a great victory, ‘like a blazing torch’ - a CME sunstrike over the attacking enemies. Psalms 83, Isaiah 30:25-28, Isaiah 66:15-16 The world will see it and be amazed. Jeremiah 33:6-16, 2 Peter 3:7

Isaiah 62:2b-5 You will receive a new name, the Lord Himself will give it. You will be like a glorious crown in His hand. No more are you forsaken and your Land desolate. You will be called ‘Hephzibah’ and the Land, ‘Beulah’. For the Lord will delight in you and it will be like a marriage, He will rejoice over you as a bridegroom over his bride. [Hephzibah = My delight is in her. Beulah = married. Isaiah 49:18
The Lord’s righteous people, Israelites by descent and grafting in, all born again Christians, are gathered and settled into their Land, the Land of Greater Israel, then called Beulah. Wonderful promises to them of fertility and wealth. They will live in justice, peace and security, as He intended people to be. Jeremiah 3:22, Isaiah 49:8

Isaiah 62:6-7 Jerusalem, on your walls, I have posted watchmen, they will call out: You that invoke the Name of the Lord, do not rest and give no rest to the Lord until He makes Jerusalem a praise throughout the world.
Those who tell about these things are ‘watchmen’, [Hebrew ‘natzar’, that is: Nazarenes] so it is all Christian believers who must not rest or let the Lord forget His people and His Land. Keep praying for our redemption and restoration. Ezekiel 36:24-28, Isaiah 52:7-9

Isaiah 62:8-9 The Lord has sworn to never again allow foreigners to take the produce of the Land, but you who give praises to Him will eat the grain and drink the wine, within My sacred courts.
After the great clearance in the Middle East, only His righteous people will be allowed to live there, those who love the Lord and obey Him. Isaiah 66:20-21, Ezekiel 20:38

Isaiah 62:10-11 Pass through the gates – clear a road for My people. Build a highway, remove the rocks and make a signal to guide the people. Proclaim to the ends of the earth, say to the offspring of Zion: See your deliverance comes, His reward is with Him and He will make recompense. Isaiah 35:1-10
The great gathering of the Lord’s people – the second Exodus, will happen in the same manner as the first Exodus. Leaders [shepherds] will arise to guide the flock, in the spirit of Moses and Elijah. Jeremiah 3:14-15, Isaiah 58:11, Isaiah 43:5-7, Micah 4:6, Isaiah 49:9-13, Isaiah 51:3, Zechariah 8:11-12, Isaiah 40:1-5, Ezekiel 11:17

Isaiah 62:12 They will be called ‘The Holy people, the Redeemed of Y’hovah’ and Jerusalem will be called ‘sought after, the City no longer forsaken’.
The Lord’s holy people, every true Christian; from every tribe, race, nation and language will live in the Holy Land of Beulah, as He created them to live, being a ‘light to the nations’ and witnesses to His salvation. Isaiah 43:6-10 They will send out 144,000 missionaries to every people group, to preach the good news of the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19, 1 Peter 2:9-10, Acts 2:39, Jeremiah 31:23-34
Joel 2:23-27 People of Zion, rejoice – your God will recompense you for the years that others have ravaged your Land. You will again have plenty in your own Land. Thus you will know that I am present in Israel and that I and no other am your God.
All this will happen before the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign

I am only sure of is that Matthew 24 reveals immediately after the tribulation Jesus returns to gather his elect from the 4 corners of the earth ....and I believe all scriptures pertaining to that exodus refers to Jesus gatherings

But for the church we have a calling upwards towards heaven. Our prize and goal is to become a citizen of heaven when Jesus returns to change our bodies so that we may enter heaven Philippians 3

Handmaid for Jesus · Feb 27, 2017

The topic is children.

dfw69 · Feb 27, 2017

Handmaid for Jesus said:
The topic is children.

Personally I believe the final antichrist will surround Jerusalem and the children will suffer because of him who will encamp Jerusalem like the romans did

....it will be a terrible time in that city because of the final antichrist....

he will not allow buying and selling of food and water unless the Jewish people worship his image and receive his mark and worship him as the God of Israel ... so all the mothers who were not able to flee will suffer untold consequences because of the evils of the final antichrist and his followers....

Yes I believe children will exist up until Jesus returns... and perhaps after that children will be born in the millennium as far as I know... I don't see why marriage and child bearing has to cease during the millennium

Handmaid for Jesus · Feb 27, 2017

I did a google search out of curiosity on low birth rate. Believe it or not, birth rate is declining.

America's birth rate is now a national emergency

Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry
The new birth rate numbers are out, and they're a disaster. There are now only 59.6 births per 1,000 women, the lowest rate ever recorded in the United States. Some of the decrease is due to good news, which is the continuing decline of teen pregnancies, but most of it is due to people getting married later and choosing to have fewer children. And the worst part is, everyone is treating this news with a shrug.

It wasn't always this way. It used to be taken for granted that the best indicator of a nation's health was its citizens' desire and capacity to reproduce. And it should still seem self-evident that people's willingness to have children is not only a sign of confidence in the future, but a sign of cultural health. It's a signal that people are willing to commit to the most enduring responsibility on Earth, which is raising a child.

But reproduction is also a sign of national health in a more dollars-and-cents way. The more productive people you have in your society, the healthier your country's economy. It's an idea that was obvious back in the 17th century, when economist Jean Bodin wrote "the only wealth is people."

Today we see the problems wrought by the decline in productive populations all over the industrialized world, where polities are ripping each other to shreds over how to pay for various forms of entitlements, especially for old people. The debates play out in different ways in different countries, but in other ways they are exactly the same. That's because they are ruled by the same ruthless math: The fewer young, productive people you have to pay for entitlements for old, unproductive people, the steeper the bill for the entire society becomes. This basic problem is strangling Europe's economies. And while the United States is among the least bad of the bunch, it is still headed in the wrong direction.
America's birth rate is now a national emergency

dfw69 · Feb 27, 2017

Handmaid for Jesus said:
I did a google search out of curiosity on low birth rate. Believe it or not, birth rate is declining.

America's birth rate is now a national emergency

Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry
The new birth rate numbers are out, and they're a disaster. There are now only 59.6 births per 1,000 women, the lowest rate ever recorded in the United States. Some of the decrease is due to good news, which is the continuing decline of teen pregnancies, but most of it is due to people getting married later and choosing to have fewer children. And the worst part is, everyone is treating this news with a shrug.

It wasn't always this way. It used to be taken for granted that the best indicator of a nation's health was its citizens' desire and capacity to reproduce. And it should still seem self-evident that people's willingness to have children is not only a sign of confidence in the future, but a sign of cultural health. It's a signal that people are willing to commit to the most enduring responsibility on Earth, which is raising a child.

But reproduction is also a sign of national health in a more dollars-and-cents way. The more productive people you have in your society, the healthier your country's economy. It's an idea that was obvious back in the 17th century, when economist Jean Bodin wrote "the only wealth is people."

Today we see the problems wrought by the decline in productive populations all over the industrialized world, where polities are ripping each other to shreds over how to pay for various forms of entitlements, especially for old people. The debates play out in different ways in different countries, but in other ways they are exactly the same. That's because they are ruled by the same ruthless math: The fewer young, productive people you have to pay for entitlements for old, unproductive people, the steeper the bill for the entire society becomes. This basic problem is strangling Europe's economies. And while the United States is among the least bad of the bunch, it is still headed in the wrong direction.
America's birth rate is now a national emergency

It's no wonder with the American poor diet and high cost of organic food and water

Most women on welfare have implants for birth control which causes so many health issues and complications

Handmaid for Jesus · Feb 27, 2017

dfw69 said:
Yes I believe children will exist up until Jesus returns... and perhaps after that children will be born in the millennium as far as I know... I don't see why marriage and child bearing has to cease during the millennium

Yes I believe children will be born during the millennium. However, I do not believe any wil be born during the great tribulation period.

Handmaid for Jesus · Feb 27, 2017

dfw69 said:
It's no wonder with the American poor diet and high cost of organic food and water

Most women on welfare have implants for birth control which causes so many health issues and complications

It is not only America, but other nations are suffering low birth rates as well.

dfw69 · Feb 27, 2017

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Yes I believe children will be born during the millennium. However, I do not believe any wil be born during the great tribulation period.

Well it says that many will be married and given in marriage up until Christ returns ... usually after marriage they consummate the vows and have children Luke 17:27

Handmaid for Jesus · Feb 27, 2017

dfw69 said:
Well it says that many will be married and given in marriage up until Christ returns ... usually after marriage they consummate the vows and have children Luke 17:27

Usually. But people are deciding to not have children. And many married couples are infertile.

dfw69 · Feb 27, 2017

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Usually. But people are deciding to not have children. And many married couples are infertile.

Hmm...
But the scriptures you are referring to clearly reveals woe to women "with" child and "giving" suck ?

Handmaid for Jesus · Feb 27, 2017

dfw69 said:
But the scriptures you are referring to clearly reveals woe to women "with" child and "giving" suck ?

Yes, why do you think He gave the woe? I think it is because small children and babies will be raptured.

dfw69 · Feb 27, 2017

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Yes, why do you think He gave the woe? I think it is because small children and babies will be raptured.

I believe the rapture will take place many many years before the capture of Jerusalem

So the woe is because of the escape they were not partakers of for whatever reason... scripture reveals a path is made to escape but for some reason they did not escape..... perhaps because they saw no threat in him or did not heed to the warnings early enough to escape? Revelation 12

Handmaid for Jesus · Feb 27, 2017

dfw69 said:
I believe the rapture will take place many many years before the capture of Jerusalem

So the woe is because of the escape they were not partakers of for whatever reason... scripture reveals a path is made to escape but for some reason they did not escape..... perhaps because they saw no threat in him or did not heed to the warnings early enough to escape? Revelation 12

Sticking with the children, brother. There will be woe to people with small children. When Jesus says woe, it is really sorrowful. I think the children will be taken in the rapture and it will bring this great woe upon unredeemed parents who are left behind.

dfw69 · Feb 27, 2017

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Sticking with the children, brother. There will be woe to people with small children. When Jesus says woe, it is really sorrowful. I think the children will be taken in the rapture and it will bring this great woe upon unredeemed parents who are left behind.

Will see sister...peace

1stcenturylady · Feb 28, 2017

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Here is a question that has not been explored. Jesus said: Matt. 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

So, will there be children? Why is this given as a woe?

I believe that part of Matt. 24 has to do with the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D. If this happened on the Sabbath, they couldn't run away. Same with caring for infants. It would be a hinderance.

I'm not Preterist, but the disciples asked two questions. The first was on the destruction of the temple, and the latter was His return.

Handmaid for Jesus · Feb 28, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
I believe that part of Matt. 24 has to do with the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D. If this happened on the Sabbath, they couldn't run away. Same with caring for infants. It would be a hinderance.

I'm not Preterist, but the disciples asked two questions. The first was on the destruction of the temple, and the latter was His return.

So do you believe there will be babies during the great tribulation (7 years)?

1stcenturylady · Feb 28, 2017

Handmaid for Jesus said:
So do you believe there will be babies during the great tribulation (7 years)?

Yes, because the rapture hasn't happened yet. All I'm saying is the verse in Matthew 24 is a warning about 70 A.D.

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