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What is the Anglican view of the Bible? Are you sola scriptura, and what is your view of the deuterocanonical books?

I know the sola scriptura part may seem like a stupid question, but I'm wondering if Anglicanism has a shared perspective, or if it varies?

Also, why did you choose Anglicanism over Roman Catholicism, Orthodoxy and other branches of Protestantism (if you consider yourself Protestant.)?

I'm kinda in between denominations, atm.
 
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Hello! :wave:

What is the Anglican view of the Bible? Are you sola scriptura, and what is your view of the deuterocanonical books?

The answer to this question is depends on whether or not you want the official belief or what we generally think, because that will be two different answers. Part of what makes the Anglican church the Anglican church is that regardless of what you believe, there's going to be another person who agrees with you.

Q. What are the Holy Scriptures?
A. The Holy Scriptures, commonly called the Bible, are the
books of the Old and New Testaments; other books,
called the Apocrypha, are often included in the Bible.

Q. Why do we call the Holy Scriptures the Word of God?
A. We call them the Word of God because God inspired
their human authors and because God still speaks to us
through the Bible.

The Anglican Communion, and generally Anglicans themselves are not Sola Scriptura. Our faith, beliefs, and practices come from The Bible, the Tradition of the church, and Reason. Hence the name of our subforum is very appropriately named "Scripture, Tradition, Reason." What this essentially means that The Bible and traditions of the church are the foundations for what we believe, but we are also not to ignore reason.

Also, why did you choose Anglicanism over Roman Catholicism, Orthodoxy and other branches of Protestantism (if you consider yourself Protestant.)?

I chose Anglicanism over Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy primarily because of their practice of a closed Eucharist. While even though I understand their reasoning behind it, I strongly do not agree with that practice. There are other reasons as well, such as I think women can and should be ordained and priests now, and a few other things that go back to what we call "reason" that allows us to change and grow as a church.
 
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Although it has more ancient roots, Anglicanism as we know it today was founded by Elizabeth I in 1559 to be the UK's National Church, with the hope of uniting Catholics and Protestants into a single harmonious whole, and ending their hostilities. As such, if you are feeling unkind, you can call it a mongrel hybrid; if you are feeling more generous, you can say it adopts the best of both rites, by deliberately excluding their more extreme elements. As for a shared perspective, by no means. Anglicanism is a broad church, with welcome and room for both liberals and conservatives. They don't always agree, (surprise, surprise!) and there are 'High Church' parishes, tending towards catholicism, and 'Low Church' parishes, tending towards protestantism. Whatever, you will find you are allowed, indeed, encouraged, to follow your conscience as well as Scripture and Tradition.

Best wishes, Strivax.
 
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Hello! :wave:

What is the Anglican view of the Bible? Are you sola scriptura, and what is your view of the deuterocanonical books?

I know the sola scriptura part may seem like a stupid question, but I'm wondering if Anglicanism has a shared perspective, or if it varies?

Also, why did you choose Anglicanism over Roman Catholicism, Orthodoxy and other branches of Protestantism (if you consider yourself Protestant.)?

I'm kinda in between denominations, atm.
Anglicanism is not officially Sola Scriptura and most Anglicans probably are not Sola Scriptura themselves. However, some are, and adamantly so. The closest to an Anglican answer may be that we believe that nothing is necessary for salvation nor can be required of the members that is not in accord with Scripture.

Having some knowledge of the other churches you mentioned, I believe that Anglicanism retains the fullness of the historic catholic faith BUT divested of the errors that were adopted by them along the way.

I also recommend that you not reach any conclusions on the basis of what any non-Anglican says. Anglicanism is quite nuanced, and it takes more than a little familiarity with the faith and its history in order to be fully informed.
 
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Sola Scriptura
This is not formally declared as a position of the Church. In some ways it runs close to the Anglican position. The Thirty Nine Articles say that all things required for salvation are found in Scripture, so that if something is to be taught as required to be believed it has to be testable by scripture, and that no part of scripture may be expounded in a way that is repugnant to another part of scripture. The three legged stool of Anglicanism - Scripture, Tradition and Reason, is not about either or, but all three at once.

Deutero Canonical Texts
The Anglican position on the deutero canonical texts is that we may not prove doctrine by them but that they are good to read and worthy of reflection. They are indeed used in most Anglican lectionaries. Some Anglicans simply ignore them and buy a cheaper bible. The King James Version of the Bible in its original translation included the deutero canonical texts.

Why am I an Anglican
I could plead the Lady Gaga excuse and tell you I was born that way, and whilst that is true, it is not the whole truth. Anglicanism attracts me because it requires me not to hang my brains in the porch on my way into church. I am expected to think and pray my faith. The Chicago-Lambeth Quadrilateral tells us that our core base when we come to oecumenical dialogue is Scripture, Creed, Sacraments, and the Historic Episcopate. I am an Anglican because I get Anglicanism, and yes we are a bit nuanced, often frustrating. In its day the Elizabethan Settlement sought to bind every loyal christian in the land to Church and Monarch. Anglicanism calls us to be good citizens in this world and the next. I love our liturgy when done well, I love our unity in diversity and lament our many divisions of late as some have decided to push the elastic band further than it wants to go. I have looked in other places, and I have concluded that Anglicanism is where I belong for the most part.
 
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I chose Anglicanism (I was baptised at the age of 22, so I really did choose for myself) because it offered me a place to grow and flourish in faith, without requiring that I accept any teachings I found unacceptable.

My parents are lapsed Catholics, so naturally I looked in that direction first, but found that I could not come at the idea of an infallible Magisterium. To me, it is a fundamental trait of fallen human beings that we can get things wrong, and we need to leave room for recognising that possibility and correcting our mistakes.

If you want to understand Anglicanism, the best way is to actually attach yourself to a parish for a while. We can talk about our ideas endlessly, but Anglican identity is formed in shared prayer.
 
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As for the "Scripture, Tradition, and Reason", it sounds like prima scriptura, where the Bible is the highest authority, but tradition and reason also play important roles. Is it accurate to call the Anglican perspective "prima scriptura?"
 
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As for the "Scripture, Tradition, and Reason", it sounds like prima scriptura, where the Bible is the highest authority, but tradition and reason also play important roles. Is it accurate to call the Anglican perspective "prima scriptura?"

You are going to realize there in no one Anglican answer to these sorts of questions. It's just broadly Christian. Anglicans call this comprehensiveness.
 
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You are going to realize there in no one Anglican answer to these sorts of questions. It's just broadly Christian. Anglicans call this comprehensiveness.

I knew Anglicanism is very diverse, but I figured there would be at least a few things they have in common.
 
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I knew Anglicanism is very diverse, but I figured there would be at least a few things they have in common.

They do, in theory. A hermeneutic for the Scriptures is not one of them.
 
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As for the "Scripture, Tradition, and Reason", it sounds like prima scriptura, where the Bible is the highest authority, but tradition and reason also play important roles. Is it accurate to call the Anglican perspective "prima scriptura?"
I'd say that that term understates the importance of Scripture, but I think it's close.

I knew Anglicanism is very diverse, but I figured there would be at least a few things they have in common.
Actually, Anglicans have most things in common. Here we've been fielding only a few particular questions that have been put to us.
 
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I think a proper reading of the 39 Articles will lead you to conclude that Scripture is at once Foundational and Authoritative. These 39 Articles were first published in 1562, and had been hammered out in the heady days of all that was going on in the Continental Reformation, (Luther - Calvin - Zwingli - Trent), and the domestic progression Henry Edward Mary Elizabeth and far to many people burned beheaded or hung. The last 100 years or so have seen the rise of an argument for Infallibility and Inerrancy which has taken the argument to a new level and has led to a reaction which seems to discount Scripture from any place of relevance save as an historic record. I am not convinced that either end of that sits to well with the traditional framework envisaged in the minds of Matthew Parker and Elizabeth I.

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I knew Anglicanism is very diverse, but I figured there would be at least a few things they have in common.

We Anglicans have many things in common, most notably common prayer, common liturgy, the common cup, and adherence to the Creed. On other things you will find variances.
 
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As for the "Scripture, Tradition, and Reason", it sounds like prima scriptura, where the Bible is the highest authority, but tradition and reason also play important roles. Is it accurate to call the Anglican perspective "prima scriptura?"

Evangelical conservative Anglicans feel that way. I would say most Episcopalian (US) clergy do not. There is a distinct difference between the way conservative evangelical Anglicans talk about the three-legged stool, and the way the rest of them do. Episcopalians lean towards viewing and teaching all three legs as equal.

Granted, Hooker himself definitely seemed to be what you describe as prima scripture, but Hooker was not a prophet. The analogy has evolved over time to a stool of three equal legs in many Anglican jurisdictions.

Also, there are Anglo-Catholics, who's perspective on this would be very interesting to read. :)

I would really caution you against taking anything in Anglicanism as being written in stone. National churches govern themselves independently, and many national churches allow for great variation from diocese to diocese and parish to parish, and especially among the laity (non-ordained church members) in theology so long as they recognize each other and stay under the same bishops and celebrate the Eucharist according to the same (national) Book of Common Prayer.

For example, we have a priest here from the Anglican Church of Australia who said the vows in her church that priests take upon ordination include upholding the 39 Articles. In the United States Episcopal Church, priests take no such vow and are not expected to concur with the articles' opinions on things except in certain parishes that raise the question during the interview process while hiring. Many actively reject them. It's in the American prayer book as a historical document for people to look at what at one time was the Anglican norm, but not as a current norm.

Anglo-Catholics will tend to paint a portrait of Anglicanism as having it's roots in Celtic Christianity that came to what is now England while the Roman Empire was still there. Hadian's wall used to be considered the edge of civilization at the time (Don't shoot the messenger, I like Scotland, personally ;) ). There were representatives from the island at local councils in the 2nd and 3rd century that are documented. Yet, the church basically existed independently of Rome to such a degree that the Pope sent St. Augustine of Canterbury there in the 6th century with a mission to convert the pagans there, not expecting to find Christians. St. Augustine found Christians- and pagans- but also Christians. And these Christians had their own beliefs and rituals and succession, and liturgical calendar.

Eventually, the Celtic Christians merged into the local church formed by St. Augustine and adopted Roman customs in most respects, but they did continue to practice the Suram liturgical rite native to their tradition instead of the Tridentine rite that was used in most of Roman Catholicism.

So, from this perspective, when Rome and Canterbury separated again during the Reformation, it was part of this broad history that included, say, people like St. Anselm (10th or 11th century) with high views of the Saints and the Virgin Mary, alongside the Protestant Reformers. King Henry's break with Rome or Queen Elizabeth's second break with Rome (in between, Queen Mary, who followed Edward who followed Henry, and ruled right before Elizabeth, restored communion with Rome, hence two different breaks in the Reformation era) were not the seminal moment in the history of Anglicanism, but one chapter in it.

I would say the evangelical party in Anglicanism tends to focus on the Reformation and the reformers more and understand that as, if not the creation of a church, at least the establishment of a significantly new order to which they trace their primary identity apart from basic Christianity, which is part of why they find things like the 39 Articles so important.

For the Anglo-Catholics, that's just one chapter in the story, no more important than any other. I may be exaggerating that slightly, but that's sort of the "lean". And the Oxford Movement in the 19th century where some old Catholic elements were restored and others re-acknowledged as having always been there may be just as important or more important to them in terms of what is significant to their religious identity.

And so you get two views of what Anglicanism is that tell the same story, but have different emphasizes, and thus create different outlooks to some degree, but this is intended. Elizabeth saw the bloodshed when the Church of England broke with Rome and then the bloodshed when it reunited with Rome, and realized that if her subjects were to have a single church, it would have to be flexible enough that people who weren't extremely committed to one side or the other could share a Eucharistic table and common prayer.

The vagueness is not a bug, it's a feature.

And, of course, today, you have a liberal versus conservative divide as well as the Anglo-Catholic versus Evangelical divide, and the high church versus low-church divide. But these are only divides in so far as people let them be divides. Looked at in a certain way, this type of diversity is a great strength where people can take the best from all strains of Christian thought and tradition.
 
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Eventually, the Celtic Christians merged into the local church formed by St. Augustine and adopted Roman customs in most respects, but they did continue to practice the Suram liturgical rite native to their tradition instead of the Tridentine rite that was used in most of Roman Catholics.
If you read Bede you realise that the issue was to bring the Celtic Church into line of the date of Easter, it was not about the rite. Sarum appears to have had more in Common with the East. The rite in Rome was Gregorian as the Tridentine rite did not appear for another 1000 years. It is quite likely that the Prayer of Humble Access and the Collect for Purity have their origins in the Sarum rite - the collect for pourity being part of the vesting prayers.
 
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Evangelical conservative Anglicans feel that way. I would say most Episcopalian (US) clergy do not. There is a distinct different between the way conservative evangelical Anglicans talk about the three-legged stool, and the way the rest of them do. Episcopalians lean towards viewing and teaching all three legs as equal.

I would have to disagree with your generalization concerning "most" clergy. There is just no way one can look at the Anglican divines who shaped this three-legged stool (although none of them actually used the phrase) without seeing the Scripture leg as being the longest one. It is taught accordingly even in the more liberal-leaning seminaries (such as my own) because that is history. However, having just taught on this recently in the parish and thus hearing a number of opinions from people, here is my thought:

For the less evangelically-minded, the stool is still uneven. When Scripture is clear, Scripture is definitive. However, Scripture is often unclear and tradition and reason have to be used to help guide interpretation. For many, that interpretive process has to consider the context of a particular passage of Scripture and some level of discernment about whether it was intended to be a timeless truth or a word spoken to a particular people in a particular time. I think this can lead to the appearance of an equally-legged stool, so to speak.
 
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My view of the deutero-canon is that it is a worthy subject of meditation. I read it frequently, though I admit I prefer its wisdom literature to the other books. I recently read through Baruch and came away with some new impressions of the book. Perhaps I will make a thread about that sometime. The question with those books is always going to be how one reconciles them with his view of inspiration. Judith is the prime example: it is a frame story, an epitome of what a Hebrew heroine was, rather than a history - but that is not explicitly stated in the text.

As for why I am Anglican: it provided an avenue for my wife and I to pray in common. Anglicanism, at its best, has retained the historical markers of the church: creed, Scripture, episcopate, sacrament, liturgy. Anglicanism is not always found at its best in our time.

I never could buy into the papacy. As for the East, it was not a spirituality that my wife could relate to. I harbor nothing against the East - or Orient - (I'm being charitable to ROCOR just now) but I do not think they are the exclusive deposit of the faith.
 
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I don't think even most non-evangelical Anglicans would consider the legs of the "stool" equal, not unless they were quite liberal.
It is not a matter of them being equal or non equal, but rather the danger of being balanced on a one or two legged stool. In my view many liberals are trying for a reasonable church where scripture and tradition sit like lappets on a Bishops Mitre, reminding us of Scripture, not really doing very much and seeming to get in the way sometimes.
 
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