What is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

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That is the entire point of scripture, to understand that the law reveals death.
Before the law is known, there is no death and no need for a savior.

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Are you suggesting that the knowledge of the law in the human heart came into being when they ate of the fruit of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil...?

And that the knowledge of sin is the law, and that can sometimes (by having to get into specific details about what not to specifically do), the knowledge of this (which might be repulsive at first or to some), can, in time, "backfire" and be a curse, as it actually makes the sins worse, or abound much more, ultimately causing a wreaking all kinds of havoc, suffering, misery and chaos, that the only way to stop or interrupt, or the natural consequences of, is "death"...?
 
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Are you suggesting that the knowledge of the law in the human heart came into being when they ate of the fruit of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil...?

Yes.


And that the knowledge of sin is the law, and that can sometimes (by having to get into specific details about what not to specifically do), the knowledge of this (which might be repulsive at first or to some), can, in time, "backfire" and be a curse, as it actually makes the sins worse, or abound much more, ultimately causing a wreaking all kinds of havoc, suffering, misery and chaos, that the only way to stop or interrupt, or the natural consequences of, is "death"...?

No. I find no support for that. If you feel people purposely engage in sin, it's not as if people
need to learn about it first. Sin is ignoring God, putting yourself first, and harming others.
 
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It can be a scary scripture for those who are really concerned about remaining in the truth and not wanting to fall into error and finally being rejected by the Lord. But if we analyse what is being said by those who are rejected, then we can get some important clues:

The main thing is that they are telling the Lord what they did for Him. "Didn't we cast out demons in Your Name? Didn't we do might things in Your Name?" Notice where the emphasis is. Notice they didn't say, "Why are you rejecting us when we know that our only way to acceptance was that Jesus died for us on the cross?"

This is because we don't rely on our works, no matter how great they are, to make us acceptable to God. We cast out demons, heal the sick, and preach the gospel out of obedience to His Word, not to gain a great reputation for ourselves so we can hold that up to the Lord and expect Him to accept us for it. We follow the example of Jesus who made Himself of no reputation, and became a servant to all. So, if we truly represent Jesus, then we will have the same attitude. God is no respecter of persons or reputations. Sometimes, as we have seen, God will destroy a big-name preacher's reputation, so that the man will be saved at the end, and not have to go through the rejection that the verse of scripture tells us about. For this reason, we have seen some big name ministries fall heavily from grace over the last ten years. This is because they became too much "up themselves" because of their successes, so God had to bring them down to keep them saved. William Branham was taken prematurely out of this world to save him and the body of Christ from serious harm through his wayward doctrines.

I think that we stand before God one day, the best thing that we can do is to just tell the Lord that we are thankful to Him that Jesus died on the cross for us. This will be the only reason He will know and accept us on that Day.
If I am reading this correctly, then on this we don't agree. Works are part of our walk... while we are not saved by them, faith without works is dead. So we are to work and those who came to Yeshua saying, "Lord Lord have we not done ___ in your name?" were not relying on works to be saved, they thought they were functioning according to His will... according to His authority... that is what "in the name" means in that culture in that day. So they THOUGHT they were walking in their calling but they were instead walking in a presumptuous spirit.
 
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If I am reading this correctly, then on this we don't agree. Works are part of our walk... while we are not saved by them, faith without works is dead. So we are to work and those who came to Yeshua saying, "Lord Lord have we not done ___ in your name?" were not relying on works to be saved, they thought they were functioning according to His will... according to His authority... that is what "in the name" means in that culture in that day. So they THOUGHT they were walking in their calling but they were instead walking in a presumptuous spirit.

I believe that following the commandments, that is, loving our neighbors as ourselves, is not works, it is simply trying not to sin, I.E. repentance. To repent means to turn from sin. That is why Jesus called them workers of iniquity, they had never turned from sin.

Works, now, have no part in salvation, but is something that is our duty to do, for Lord is not a name, it is a title.
 
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I believe that following the commandments, that is, loving our neighbors as ourselves, is not works, it is simply trying not to sin, I.E. repentance. To repent means to turn from sin. That is why Jesus called them workers of iniquity, they had never turned from sin.

Works, now, have no part in salvation, but is something that is our duty to do, for Lord is not a name, it is a title.
I can make a pretty good case brother Jim, that our obedience is part of worship. In Hebrew, the word shachah (worship) means "to bend the knee, to bow or prostrate oneself." We see the Jewish people bending and bowing as they pray, a simple literal interpretation of that word. However, there is a picture here... we don't bend and now or prostrate ourselves before anyone we are not submitted to. We confess that He is Lord and we bow before Him, lay on our faces before Him... a sign of submission to His authority and Lordship. From that time on, anything and everything we do because we are submitted to Him.... is shachah... worship. So works are not to be saved, they are the result of one who submits to Him as Lord and this, one aspect of worship.

Blessings.
 
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I can make a pretty good case brother Jim, that our obedience is part of worship. In Hebrew, the word shachah (worship) means "to bend the knee, to bow or prostrate oneself." We see the Jewish people bending and bowing as they pray, a simple literal interpretation of that word. However, there is a picture here... we don't bend and now or prostrate ourselves before anyone we are not submitted to. We confess that He is Lord and we bow before Him, lay on our faces before Him... a sign of submission to His authority and Lordship. From that time on, anything and everything we do because we are submitted to Him.... is shachah... worship. So works are not to be saved, they are the result of one who submits to Him as Lord and this, one aspect of worship.

Blessings.

Yes, I agree with that. I would say, I try not to sin so I will be saved. I try to do good works because I am saved.
 
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What is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

To disrespect the spirit of God. Jesus reminded them that the laws of Moses says that anyone whom disrespect the spirit of God or the preist whom has the spirit in them, must be put to death. There is no atonement for that sin. Jesus was showing to them at the time, how much that they need Grace. But when He was on the cross, He made a last request, to forgive them, because they are not aware of what they are doing.

Matthew 26:67 Then they spit in his face and struck him with their fists. Others slapped him 68 and said, “Prophesy to us, Messiah. Who hit you?”

Luke 23:34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

Psalm 22:18 They divide my clothes among them and cast lots for my garment.

Job 6:27 You would even cast lots for the fatherless and barter away your friend.

Joel 3:3 They cast lots for my people and traded boys for prostitutes; they sold girls for wine to drink.

John 9:41 Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.


Jonah 4:2 He prayed to the Lord, “Isn’t this what I said, Lord, when I was still at home? That is what I tried to forestall by fleeing to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity.
 
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What's the difference in asking the person who knows and asking the one who doesn't? Or what's the difference in who you ask? I am not sure of your question so can't answer it.
I'm confused now. Probably not important, so I am moving on. Oh yes! I remember. You said that you received teaching only from the Bible and nowhere else. The question I asked was: "So you don't listen to your pastor's sermons then?"
 
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It is only hostility to God's Holy Spirit.
Even mistakes are forgiven. But open
"hostility to" is not.
I thought it involved hostility to Jesus and accusing Him of casting out demons by the power of the devil. The Jewish leaders who accused Jesus didn't know who the Holy Spirit was so I can't see how they could be hostile to Someone they had no knowledge of.
 
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I thought it involved hostility to Jesus and accusing Him of casting out demons by the power of the devil. The Jewish leaders who accused Jesus didn't know who the Holy Spirit was so I can't see how they could be hostile to Someone they had no knowledge of.

You are saying they are guilty of blasphemy?
 
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Yes, but generally God is. God is in no way PC.

I find that Jesus was, his apostles, remained mired in their old thoughts and ways.
They wrote about things like the length of hair, women should shut up, and other sick chauvinistic comments.
 
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I'm confused now. Probably not important, so I am moving on. Oh yes! I remember. You said that you received teaching only from the Bible and nowhere else. The question I asked was: "So you don't listen to your pastor's sermons then?"

I grew up in the Baptist church. I decided to read the bible and came across this:

Matthew 19:16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” 17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”

And the baptist church was not teaching this. The baptist church taught, basically, believe Jesus died for your sins, ask for forgiveness and you are saved. Every once in a while thy would say you have to repent first.

I read the new testament and saw where Jesus taught we must try to follow the commandments and love our neighbors as ourselves to the best of our ability and ask forgiveness when we can not.

I kept searching for a church that actually taught this and I have come across a couple ministers who taught this, but the majority did not.

I studied the bible to see where the church went wrong and I found the concept of dispensation, basically saying Jesus wasn't talking to me. So they believe God came down as a man, spent 30+ years then taught a message that would only be good until he died in, what, two years? It was rediculous on the face of it. I studied many religions and it is hard to find any that teach what Jesus taught.

People go on about dispensationalism, which is just not true. They need to do this because they can not comprehend that following the ten commandments is not works, it is simply repentance, trying not to sin, turning from sin. So because they can not understand this they get confused when Paul says we are not saved by works, even though in the next chapter Paul says we must love our neighbors as ourselves and live in the spirit. So they have to invent dispensationalism, which is their religion and dogma.

They run across Paul saying he's elect and believe everyone saved is elect concluding in the errors of Calvanism. I see that God shortens the days or not *even* the elect are saved, so we need to ask ourselves then who besides the elect are saved? Paul even says I'm elect and you are saved because you hear and believe the word.

If any religion, which is most, has to throw away the words of Jesus our Lord and Savior, I want no part of the falsehoods.

I have been going to a non denominational church and while some non-denominational churches teach the word, this one teaches baptist dogma.

It pains my soul when I sit in a congregation and hear a pastor spew falsehoods. I have found that it is no use trying to teach the actual word of God, people always say, "but my pastor says this" and I explain from the scripture whete their pastor has erred and I get, "you should talk to the pastor, he'll explain it to you.". Argh!
 
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I think any gender differentiation is bologna.
Thousands of people are not gender specific.
You can believe whatever you want. By the way, "gender" is a grammatical term, not an indicator of ones sex.
 
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What is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?


Speaking a derogatory word against the Holy Spirit.


Example: Calling the Holy Spirit the devil.

24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Matthew 12:24-32



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You are saying they are guilty of blasphemy?
Jesus didn't accuse them directly, but defined what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit was in the hope that they would take the warning He was giving them.
 
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