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There are three types of people on Earth today.

MY reply here is not on the OP however you are the OP and you brought this up so I guess it is ok to reply to it.

Jesus said there is only two types of people on the earth today not three;
Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
 
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MY reply here is not on the OP however you are the OP and you brought this up so I guess it is ok to reply to it.

Jesus said there is only two types of people on the earth today not three;
Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
OK that is cute, but a bit of word wrangling. Maybe I was not clear enough, but that is ok. :) Three races of humanity may be more acceptable for your understanding.
 
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Hi Keras. These verses do not say anything about children.
All of God's holy people will be gathered and settled into all of the holy Land. Families and old folk, ALL will be as God always intended His people to be. Zechariah 8:1-8
They will eventually be conquered by the Anti-Christ, Zechariah 14:1-2, but some [most?] will be taken to a place of safety. Rev 12:14
Jesus said there is only two types of people on the earth today not three;
Matthew 12:30
This is a correct statement. There is no final redemption for the Jews, as rapture believers must think.
Many prophesies say that only a remnant of the Jews will be saved. Those who have become Christian now.
 
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All of God's holy people will be gathered and settled into all of the holy Land. Families and old folk, ALL will be as God always intended His people to be. Zechariah 8:1-8
They will eventually be conquered by the Anti-Christ, Zechariah 14:1-2, but some [most?] will be taken to a place of safety. Rev 12:14

This is a correct statement. There is no final redemption for the Jews, as rapture believers must think.
Many prophesies say that only a remnant of the Jews will be saved. Those who have become Christian now.

Still those verses say nothing about children, and, that is what this discussion is about. There is going to be redemption for Jews and gentiles after the tribulation during the 1000 year millennium when Lord Jesus and the saints reign and rule the Earth.
 
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In my opinion, there will not be small children here during that time. The woe will be the lamenting of parents whose children have gone in the rapture. Because it will be as it was in the days of Noah, reproduction will be supernaturally halted. Noah's children were almost 100 years old when the flood came, and they did not reproduce until after the flood.
Why do you think children are Raptured when the adults are not? Nor is there any reason to believe that reproduction was supernaturally halted. Where in the Bible do you see that?
 
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Why do you think children are Raptured when the adults are not? Nor is there any reason to believe that reproduction was supernaturally halted. Where in the Bible do you see that?
I think that children/babies will be raptured because of their innocence (even though they are born with the corrupt sin nature). Oh, I think Christian adults will be raptured. I noted in scripture, in the days of Noah, his sons did not reproduce until after the flood, even though they had been married. So from that, I deduced that the ability to reproduce was halted by our Father until after the flood.
 
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I think that children/babies will be raptured because of their innocence (even though they are born with the corrupt sin nature). Oh, I think Christian adults will be raptured. I noted in scripture, in the days of Noah, his sons did not reproduce until after the flood, even though they had been married. So from that, I deduced that the ability to reproduce was halted by our Father until after the flood.
That may be regarding the sons of Noah, and I respect your opinion, but it is speculation on your part. We know that Jesus compared the end times with the days of Noah and said,

Mat 24:37 because just as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be when the Son of Man comes.
Mat 24:38 In those days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage right up to the day when Noah went into the ark.
Mat 24:39 They were unaware of what was happening until the flood came and swept all of them away. That's how it will be when the Son of Man comes.​

His point is that life went on as usual up to the Flood, implying that in "marrying and giving in marriage" babies were also born.
 
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That may be regarding the sons of Noah, and I respect your opinion, but it is speculation on your part. We know that Jesus compared the end times with the days of Noah and said,

Mat 24:37 because just as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be when the Son of Man comes.
Mat 24:38 In those days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage right up to the day when Noah went into the ark.
Mat 24:39 They were unaware of what was happening until the flood came and swept all of them away. That's how it will be when the Son of Man comes.​

His point is that life went on as usual up to the Flood, implying that in "marrying and giving in marriage" babies were also born.

Yes it is speculation because the scripture is so unclear. But I examine the days of Noah a lot because I cannot imagine the thoughts of every person being evil continually. But that is what scripture says was going on. I can see our Father loving people so much that He would not allow babies to be born during that time because all they would learn would be evil. Yes life was happening up to the day the flood came, but, Peter said there will be scoffers in the last days saying where is His coming?. There were prob ably scoffers in Noah's day as well denying the coming of the flood. Imagine
a world sooo evil that God chose to destroy all flesh, saving only eight. Really, I can't speculate about it.And Lord Jesus said that the coming tribulation will be worse than even the flood was.
Matt. 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Yes life went on as usual, but, how evil was the usual life at that time? We complain about evil that is happening now. But our Father is still showing grace and mercy. The sun shines and it rains on the just and on the unjust. One day this will not be so.
 
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Yes it is speculation because the scripture is so unclear. But I examine the days of Noah a lot because I cannot imagine the thoughts of every person being evil continually. But that is what scripture says was going on. I can see our Father loving people so much that He would not allow babies to be born during that time because all they would learn would be evil. Yes life was happening up to the day the flood came, but, Peter said there will be scoffers in the last days saying where is His coming?. There were prob ably scoffers in Noah's day as well denying the coming of the flood. Imagine
a world sooo evil that God chose to destroy all flesh, saving only eight. Really, I can't speculate about it.And Lord Jesus said that the coming tribulation will be worse than even the flood was.
Matt. 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Yes life went on as usual, but, how evil was the usual life at that time? We complain about evil that is happening now. But our Father is still showing grace and mercy. The sun shines and it rains on the just and on the unjust. One day this will not be so.
I understand your point of view. However, where I disagree is in how God creates children. It is a mystery to me, so I will not claim my view is totally correct. There are verses that indicate the hand of God in the creation of children but he has also set up laws of procreation. I do not believe that God creates a child to be aborted, for example, but they are born due to the laws of procreation. As I say, verses such as Psalms 131, "you formed me from my mother's womb" indicate his involvement. However, God does not go against his own Word, and when he made the laws of nature, He does not take them back nor stop them. So gravity pulls us down at all times. If an innocent child steps off a cliff he will fall to the bottom. The verse that Satan quoted Jesus in his temptation about angels catching him lest he break a bone is clearly about Jesus not the rest of us, although, I suppose if one has faith in the verse without doubt, this may happen. I fell off a 25 foot ladder and landed on the ground breaking my foot, but when I looked up to the ceiling, I saw that the ladder became entangled in some electric wiring so it did not fall on my head. I believe an angel intercepted the ladder so it would not harm me, but I still fell to the ground.
 
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I understand your point of view. However, where I disagree is in how God creates children. It is a mystery to me, so I will not claim my view is totally correct. There are verses that indicate the hand of God in the creation of children but he has also set up laws of procreation. I do not believe that God creates a child to be aborted, for example, but they are born due to the laws of procreation. As I say, verses such as Psalms 131, "you formed me from my mother's womb" indicate his involvement. However, God does not go against his own Word, and when he made the laws of nature, He does not take them back nor stop them. So gravity pulls us down at all times. If an innocent child steps off a cliff he will fall to the bottom. The verse that Satan quoted Jesus in his temptation about angels catching him lest he break a bone is clearly about Jesus not the rest of us, although, I suppose if one has faith in the verse without doubt, this may happen. I fell off a 25 foot ladder and landed on the ground breaking my foot, but when I looked up to the ceiling, I saw that the ladder became entangled in some electric wiring so it did not fall on my head. I believe an angel intercepted the ladder so it would not harm me, but I still fell to the ground.

Well, we see in scripture where our Father can shut up the womb and open the womb. For instance we read
1 Samuel 1:
5 But unto Hannah he gave a worthy portion; for he loved Hannah: but the Lord had shut up her womb.

6 And her adversary also provoked her sore, for to make her fret, because the Lord had shut up her womb.

If He did it before, He can do it again. Peter walked on the water, so ,imho, it can and probably does happen even today.
 
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Well, we see in scripture where our Father can shut up the womb and open the womb. For instance we read
1 Samuel 1:
5 But unto Hannah he gave a worthy portion; for he loved Hannah: but the Lord had shut up her womb.

6 And her adversary also provoked her sore, for to make her fret, because the Lord had shut up her womb.

If He did it before, He can do it again. Peter walked on the water, so ,imho, it can and probably does happen even today.

Yes, I see the verses you quote. Nor do I say you are wrong regarding babies since this is a grey area that is not explicitly stated in Scriptures. However, when I look at the Old Testament I keep in mind that the writers did not have the new birth and the full revelation of God's character which was expressed in his son Jesus Christ. I read the OT from the perspective of the NT.

The OT writers had a veiled understanding of God. They ascribed many things to God that the NT shows was never God. God does not make anyone sick, for example. How do we know? Because Jesus only did what the Father led him to do and all he ever die was heal people. But in the Old Testament we see the Lord giving Miriam leprosy. So what gives?

I do not profess I know, but my guess is that God removes his protective hand and demons bring the sickness. Just as when the Lord removed his protective hand from Job and Satan destroyed his family and home.

Another consideration is that God does not do miracles as a regular course of events. Again, the Rapture is not regular, so I am not disagreeing. But He uses the laws of his creation that he made as the usual course of events.

Handmaid, I am just thinking out loud here, not making a case.
 
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Handmaid, I am just thinking out loud here, not making a case.
I understand. I hope I have given you something to ponder.I have been studying the days of Noah for a long time and thinking about what was happening that was so grievous to our Father that He needed to destroy all flesh. I don't think many Christians can imagine how bad those days were. When I see how the world we live in is spiraling downward with great lies and deceptions, confusion and utter darkness, and I think that it is going to get worse before it gets better.
 
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All of God's holy people will be gathered and settled into all of the holy Land. Families and old folk, ALL will be as God always intended His people to be. Zechariah 8:1-8
They will eventually be conquered by the Anti-Christ, Zechariah 14:1-2, but some [most?] will be taken to a place of safety. Rev 12:14

This is a correct statement. There is no final redemption for the Jews, as rapture believers must think.
Many prophesies say that only a remnant of the Jews will be saved. Those who have become Christian now.

Hi keras
What do you think about this scripture? Romans 11:15 reveals the recieving of the Jews

And also ...Romans 11:1-5 and Romans 11:11-12? And revelation 7:4-8?


Paul reveals the calling of Israel is not changed Romans 11:25-29 promises where made to the children of Israel and they will be fulfilled as well
 
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All of God's holy people will be gathered and settled into all of the holy Land. Families and old folk, ALL will be as God always intended His people to be. Zechariah 8:1-8
They will eventually be conquered by the Anti-Christ, Zechariah 14:1-2,

You believe a gathering of gods holy people takes place first to Beulah only to eventually conquered by the antichrist?

The gathering of Israel or gods holy people takes place after Jesus returns and he will send his angels to gather the elect after the tribulation and Israel will be safe forever.....no one should seek to return to Israel until he returns to offer safety ... but do you believe otherwise?
 
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I understand. I hope I have given you something to ponder.I have been studying the days of Noah for a long time and thinking about what was happening that was so grievous to our Father that He needed to destroy all flesh. I don't think many Christians can imagine how bad those days were. When I see how the world we live in is spiraling downward with great lies and deceptions, confusion and utter darkness, and I think that it is going to get worse before it gets better.
I agree. What you seem to be wrestling with is when is the age of accountability to God? Jews have their Bar and Bat Mitzvahs at 13 to declare that age. Catholics have Confirmation at 12 but believe it is necessary to water baptize infants in case the child dies before the age of accountability. I don't know when that age is because I have known 5 year olds who clearly knew Jesus and were born again.
 
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I agree. What you seem to be wrestling with is when is the age of accountability to God? Jews have their Bar and Bat Mitzvahs at 13 to declare that age. Catholics have Confirmation at 12 but believe it is necessary to water baptize infants in case the child dies before the age of accountability. I don't know when that age is because I have known 5 year olds who clearly knew Jesus and were born again.
I was baptized at the age of 9, so you are right, some children come to Jesus at a very early age. Jesus mentioned very young children, sucklings, toddlers.So that is really what I am referring to.
 
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Hi keras
What do you think about this scripture? Romans 11:15 reveals the recieving of the Jews

And also ...Romans 11:1-5 and Romans 11:11-12? And revelation 7:4-8?
Paul reveals the calling of Israel is not changed Romans 11:25-29 promises where made to the children of Israel and they will be fulfilled as well
As Paul says: he is a Benjaminite and he became Christian, therefore saved. But those Jews and anyone else who reject Jesus will eventually be destroyed. Revelation 20:15
You are contradicting much scripture to think otherwise. Galatians 3:26-29, Romans 9:8
You believe a gathering of gods holy people takes place first to Beulah only to eventually conquered by the antichrist?
Exactly as Revelation 13:7, Daniel 11:32 and Daniel 7:25 say. And as there is but one people of God; John 17:22-23, Romans 2:11, Ephesians 4:4-6, it is the Christians who are there, living in peace and prosperity, as is well prophesied. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10
The Lord saves them from the Gog/Magog attack, Joel 2:20, but He allows the AC. to conquer them. Zechariah 14:1-2 'Many', Daniel 9:27, will remain in the Land, facing the Great Tribulation, Revelation 12:17, and those who kept faithful will be taken to a place of safety. Revelation 12:14 All will be gathered at Jesus' Return. Matthew 24:30-31
 
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As Paul says: he is a Benjaminite and he became Christian, therefore saved. But those Jews and anyone else who reject Jesus will eventually be destroyed. Revelation 20:15
You are contradicting much scripture to think otherwise. Galatians 3:26-29, Romans 9:8


I believe there is no contradiction...israel will find favor and grace and mercy in the lord as the scriptures say when she recieved her king ...if paul , a Jew, can find mercy and favor in the lord then so can other Jews in the last days Romans 11

Even Jesus prophecied that the Jews will not see him again until they say blessed is he that comes in the name of the lord..... Jesus will not return to offer the kingdom of heaven again as before until Israel is ready to recieve him as the one sent by the lord, as king and high priest ....Matthew 23:39

That all the tribes of Israel will not cease to exist but all be saved and receive her promises as prophecied to the patriarch... that Israel will be grafted back in because a remnant will be saved

To exclude the Jews from receiving the promises is a contradiction of scripture

In fact it will be the final antichrist desire to destroy all the Jews. He will seek to destroy all the Jews so that no Jew exist to receive the promises and make God a liar

And he will gather all nations to mt. Megiddo against israel to seek out Jews .... he will even cast an image of himself in the future temple to seek out Jews who will not bow down to worship his image


Exactly as Revelation 13:7, Daniel 11:32 and Daniel 7:25 say. And as there is but one people of God; John 17:22-23, Romans 2:11, Ephesians 4:4-6, it is the Christians who are there, living in peace and prosperity, as is well prophesied. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10
The Lord saves them from the Gog/Magog attack, Joel 2:20, but He allows the AC. to conquer them. Zechariah 14:1-2 'Many', Daniel 9:27, will remain in the Land, facing the Great Tribulation, Revelation 12:17, and those who kept faithful will be taken to a place of safety. Revelation 12:14 All will be gathered at Jesus' Return. Matthew 24:30-31

I believe there will come false prophets and false messiahs...the false prophets will say "here is messiah in Jerusalem come out to meet him" and " the messianic age has come" but Jesus warned not to go after them .... no one should go to Beulah until Jesus returns with the saints and angels to gather his people....the faith requires that we wait on the lord till the end of the tribulation


All who go to Beulah before the time will be following false messiahs and false prophets and falling away from the faith in Jesus
 
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To exclude the Jews from receiving the promises is a contradiction of scripture
The Jews are in no way excluded, they have the same opportunity as anyone to accept salvation. Mostly they continue to reject it, just like the rest of the world.
All who go to Beulah before the time will be following false messiahs and false prophets
The false prophets and leaders are already among us. I have 4 scriptures that plainly say that God's Holy people are in all of the holy Land, soon after the Day of Wrath.

Isaiah 62:1-2a For Zion’s sake, I shall not keep silent – until her victory shines forth, like the sunrise, her victory like a blazing torch. The nations will see your victory and their rulers your glory.
Isaiah prophesies for the sake of the Land of Israel. There will be a great victory, ‘like a blazing torch’ - a CME sunstrike over the attacking enemies. Psalms 83, Isaiah 30:25-28, Isaiah 66:15-16 The world will see it and be amazed. Jeremiah 33:6-16, 2 Peter 3:7

Isaiah 62:2b-5 You will receive a new name, the Lord Himself will give it. You will be like a glorious crown in His hand. No more are you forsaken and your Land desolate. You will be called ‘Hephzibah’ and the Land, ‘Beulah’. For the Lord will delight in you and it will be like a marriage, He will rejoice over you as a bridegroom over his bride. [Hephzibah = My delight is in her. Beulah = married. Isaiah 49:18
The Lord’s righteous people, Israelites by descent and grafting in, all born again Christians, are gathered and settled into their Land, the Land of Greater Israel, then called Beulah. Wonderful promises to them of fertility and wealth. They will live in justice, peace and security, as He intended people to be. Jeremiah 3:22, Isaiah 49:8

Isaiah 62:6-7 Jerusalem, on your walls, I have posted watchmen, they will call out: You that invoke the Name of the Lord, do not rest and give no rest to the Lord until He makes Jerusalem a praise throughout the world.
Those who tell about these things are ‘watchmen’, [Hebrew ‘natzar’, that is: Nazarenes] so it is all Christian believers who must not rest or let the Lord forget His people and His Land. Keep praying for our redemption and restoration. Ezekiel 36:24-28, Isaiah 52:7-9

Isaiah 62:8-9 The Lord has sworn to never again allow foreigners to take the produce of the Land, but you who give praises to Him will eat the grain and drink the wine, within My sacred courts.
After the great clearance in the Middle East, only His righteous people will be allowed to live there, those who love the Lord and obey Him. Isaiah 66:20-21, Ezekiel 20:38

Isaiah 62:10-11 Pass through the gates – clear a road for My people. Build a highway, remove the rocks and make a signal to guide the people. Proclaim to the ends of the earth, say to the offspring of Zion: See your deliverance comes, His reward is with Him and He will make recompense. Isaiah 35:1-10
The great gathering of the Lord’s people – the second Exodus, will happen in the same manner as the first Exodus. Leaders [shepherds] will arise to guide the flock, in the spirit of Moses and Elijah. Jeremiah 3:14-15, Isaiah 58:11, Isaiah 43:5-7, Micah 4:6, Isaiah 49:9-13, Isaiah 51:3, Zechariah 8:11-12, Isaiah 40:1-5, Ezekiel 11:17

Isaiah 62:12 They will be called ‘The Holy people, the Redeemed of Y’hovah’ and Jerusalem will be called ‘sought after, the City no longer forsaken’.
The Lord’s holy people, every true Christian; from every tribe, race, nation and language will live in the Holy Land of Beulah, as He created them to live, being a ‘light to the nations’ and witnesses to His salvation. Isaiah 43:6-10 They will send out 144,000 missionaries to every people group, to preach the good news of the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19, 1 Peter 2:9-10, Acts 2:39, Jeremiah 31:23-34
Joel 2:23-27 People of Zion, rejoice – your God will recompense you for the years that others have ravaged your Land. You will again have plenty in your own Land. Thus you will know that I am present in Israel and that I and no other am your God.
All this will happen before the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign
 
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