Could not refute God's Bible Sabbath from Romans 14 and Galatians 4

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Take a look at some great Bible texts not to be ignored

In Gal 4 - as many others point out - there are days that are condemned entirely. And the text shows us that it is the pagan days that are condemned.
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Gal 4 - Paul condemns them for observing even ONE of the pagan days.

7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. 8 But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods.

(Pagans in Galatia who worshiped false god before becoming Christian)

8 However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. 9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.

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By contrast in Rom 14 - Christians are to be condemned IF they judge or condemn anyone for observing even ONE of the Bible Holy days - of Lev 23.

To "esteem the day" is to "Observe" the day in Rom 14

Romans 14
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;...

10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Just when you want to condemn all Christians that remember to keep God's 4th commandment using Gal 4 that condemns only pagan days - Paul says that there is not even one of the Bible holy days that you may condemn others for keeping, much less condemning those who choose to honor God's 4th commandment.

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So then ALL pagan days condemned in Gal 4.

All Bible holy days defended in Romans 14.

These two chapters cannot be bent and edited as if they mean to condemn all observance of the Bible approved days in Gal 4 and defend all observance of pagan days in Rom 14.


Rather in Romans 14 all Bible - approved holy days are defended, and Galatians 4 all pagan days are condemned.

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Still - 1 Cor 7:19 and Ephesians 6:2 are pretty hard to ignore ... no wonder we have Revelation 14:12 - just as it reads.

another one of my favorites - Isaiah 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"
 
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Do you know why?

Take a look at some great Bible texts not to be ignored

In Gal 4 - as many others point out - there are days that are condemned entirely. And the text shows us that it is the pagan days that are condemned.
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Gal 4 - Paul condemns them for observing even ONE of the pagan days.

7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. 8 But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods.

(Pagans in Galatia who worshiped false god before becoming Christian)

8 However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. 9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.

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By contrast in Rom 14 - Christians are to be condemned IF they judge or condemn anyone for observing even ONE of the Bible Holy days - of Lev 23.

To "esteem the day" is to "Observe" the day in Rom 14

Romans 14
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;...

10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Just when you want to condemn all Christians that remember to keep God's 4th commandment using Gal 4 that condemns only pagan days - Paul says that there is not even one of the Bible holy days that you may condemn others for keeping, much less condemning those who choose to honor God's 4th commandment.

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So then ALL pagan days condemned in Gal 4.

All Bible holy days defended in Romans 14.

These two chapters cannot be bent and edited as if they mean to condemn all observance of the Bible approved days in Gal 4 and defend all observance of pagan days in Rom 14.

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Still - 1 Cor 7:19 and Ephesians 6:2 are pretty hard to ignore ... no wonder we have Revelation 14:12 - just as it reads.

another one of my favorites - Isaiah 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"
Who condemns you for observing a Saturday Sabbath?
 
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I personally have known no christian who has condemned anyone for observing a set saturday Sabbath.
But I have known people who observe a set saturday Sabbath condemn those who don't.

From my experience, you have it the wrong way around.
But that is just in my experience of course
 
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If Christians would simply observe the true image of the sabbath, which is to be in Christ, and a cessation from our own works of the law; we wouldn't have to debate which day is the right day, then demand everyone's method of sabbath day calculations are wrong but ours despite not actually knowing which day is the right day. I thank Christ I am freed from all of this confusion.
 
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If Christians would simply observe the true image of the sabbath, which is to be in Christ, and a cessation from our own works of the law; we wouldn't have to debate which day is the right day, then demand everyone's method of sabbath day calculations are wrong but ours despite not actually knowing which day is the right day. I thank Christ I am freed from all of this confusion.

if you were going to rewrite the Sabbath Commandment in actual scripture so it more perfectly fit that statement how would you write it?

Like this?

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH) your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Would then "declare" that for all eternity after the cross in the "New Heavens and New Earth" of Revelation 21 that TWO regular cycles would be used for worship?. That from New Moon to New Moon "And From SABBATH to SABBATH shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23
 
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I personally have known no christian who has condemned anyone for observing a set saturday Sabbath.

Apparently you have not visited the "Sabbath and the Law" forum in the General Theology section
 
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if you were going to rewrite the Sabbath Commandment in actual scripture so it more perfectly fit that statement how would you write it?

Like this?

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH) your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Would then "declare" that for all eternity after the cross in the "New Heavens and New Earth" of Revelation 21 that TWO regular cycles would be used for worship?. That from New Moon to New Moon "And From SABBATH to SABBATH shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23

I don't suppose it would matter how you wrote it with words; what would matter is if the reader could discern things with the spiritual understanding, or, whether he could only understand the words according to the natural understanding.
 
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Apparently you have not visited the "Sabbath and the Law" forum in the General Theology section
No I haven't. I accept what you say.

I guess such people are the same then as those who observe a set Saturday Sabbath and condemn those who dont
 
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If Christians would simply observe the true image of the sabbath, which is to be in Christ, and a cessation from our own works of the law; we wouldn't have to debate which day is the right day, then demand everyone's method of sabbath day calculations are wrong but ours despite not actually knowing which day is the right day. I thank Christ I am freed from all of this confusion.

if you were going to rewrite the Sabbath Commandment in actual scripture so it more perfectly fit that statement how would you write it?

Like this?

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH) your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Would then "declare" that for all eternity after the cross in the "New Heavens and New Earth" of Revelation 21 that TWO regular cycles would be used for worship?. That from New Moon to New Moon "And From SABBATH to SABBATH shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23

I don't suppose it would matter how you wrote it with words; what would matter is if the reader could discern things with the spiritual understanding,


Actually whatever is just "you or I saying or writing" is hardly worth the paper it is printed on... what matter is -- what did God say.
 
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one man considers one day more sacred/ holy than another, another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Rom14:5

Paul speaks of what he terms disputable matters in rom14:1

Two things are mentioned.sacred/ Holy days in verse 5, and clean/ unclean foods.

So, in these regards you are free to choose either way.
 
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Added this in the OP "in Romans 14 all Bible - approved holy days are defended, and in Galatians 4 all pagan days are condemned."


Romans 14 one man observes one day above another while another observes them all - speaking of the Leviticus 23 Bible-approved list of days... not at all speaking of the Galatians 4 fully-condemned pagan days.
 
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Indeed, why would you want to condemn anyone for following a set Saturday Sabbath?
So why do SDA condemn people not observing it?
Because they follow SOME of the letter/ written code, not the Holy Spirit.
But also, why has Christianity split into over 30,000 different denominations?
Because the flesh of man likes to believe he has a monopoly on following the truth, and everyone else needs to be where his, and his particular denominations beliefs are at.
Carnal thinking:
No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have Gods approval
1cor11:19
 
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Seventh-day Adventists routinely teach that "Sunday worship" is unbiblical. They will point to the 4th commandment teaching of the sabbath to somehow indicate that the only day acceptable to worship God on is Saturday. Yet no where in scripture can an Adventist point to that indicates that worshipping God on Sunday is unbiblical. Not only did those in the temple worship God daily which would necessarily include Sundays (cf. Hebrews 10:11), but even the early Christians broke bread and worshipped together every day including Sundays (cf. Acts 2:46-47; 20:7). The fact of the matter is the Church has, from the beginning, felt completely free to worship God on any day of the week, and on Sunday especially due to its signal Christian significance being the day of Christ's holy resurrection, without which the Christian faith would not even exist! (1 Corinthians 15:13-14). While Jesus' teaching was in regards to the place of worship, the same can be said regarding the time of worship as well: "Jesus said to her, 'Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father...But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.' " John 4:21,23
 
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