Moses and Elijah are the 2 Witnesses in the Great Tribulation

John Hyperspace · Feb 26, 2017

Douggg said:
I don't know that I would call them false prophets. They just thought God had taken Elijah to another place, nearby.

I believe they were possibly right, that Elijah went into "the sky" by a whirlwind, and not into, some otherly realm. Movement to another earthly locale is what happened much as to Philip (Acts 8:39). There is a letter from Elijah (2 Chronicles 21:12) after the whirlwind which suggested he merely finished his prophetic course, and was replaced by Elisha; but didn't actually never die, or, make some miraculous ascent into "the other-worldly realm of spirits"

miknik5 · Feb 26, 2017

Another Lazarus said:
Holy Spirit was not yet sent at the time of John's ministry. John was beheaded before Jesus ascension and the Holy Spirit poured to people.

The Roman catholic church in Vatican claims they have the head of John kept at their underground store.
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May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

Yes I know the HOLY SPIRIT had not been given

John 7 explains why

miknik5 · Feb 26, 2017

John Hyperspace said:
I believe they were possibly right, that Elijah went into "the sky" by a whirlwind, and not into, some otherly realm. Movement to another earthly locale is what happened much as to Philip (Acts 8:39). There is a letter from Elijah (2 Chronicles 21:12) after the whirlwind which suggested he merely finished his prophetic course, and was replaced by Elisha; but didn't actually never die, or, make some miraculous ascent into "the other-worldly realm of spirits"

He ascended just as it was already whispered about and just as these other prophets kept telling Elisha, your master will be taken from you today

In which Elisha would answer
I know but don't speak of it

Another Lazarus · Feb 26, 2017

John Hyperspace said:
What do you make of Matthew 17:9? And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

The fact that Jesus was transformed and then Moses and Elijah appeared has shown it was not a vision.
Matt 17:4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If You wish, I will put up three shelters: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”

Jesus reminded them not to tell the "vision" (of His transfiguration) as He has yet to be glorified, and His transfiguration was not just a vision but He indeed transfigured.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

John Hyperspace · Feb 26, 2017

Another Lazarus said:
The fact that Jesus was transformed and then Moses and Elijah appeared has shown it was not a vision.
Matt 17:4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If You wish, I will put up three shelters: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”

Jesus reminded them not to tell the "vision" (of His transfiguration) as He has yet to be glorified, and His transfiguration was not just a vision but He indeed transfigured.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

Ah, so it wasn't a vision, it was a "vision": got it. Thanks.

Brian45 · Feb 26, 2017

John Hyperspace said:
There is a letter from Elijah (2 Chronicles 21:12) after the whirlwind which suggested he merely finished his prophetic course, and was replaced by Elisha

That is exactly what I have heard , I hope others take note!

Another Lazarus · Feb 26, 2017

Brian45 said:
That is exactly what I have heard , I hope others take note!

John also send Jesus letters to the 7 churches, doesnt mean Jesus is not in heaven,

Elijah sent the letter because he was no longer on earth otherwise he could meet and warn people personally.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

John Hyperspace · Feb 26, 2017

Brian45 said:
That is exactly what I have heard , I hope others take note!

I believe it's a good possibility. In the "vision" on the mount, Moses and Elijah appeared, and I believe this is because the three apostles are being shown the express image of the law and the prophets concerning Jesus Christ: His transfiguring showing His glory written in the law and the prophets to be fulfilled in Jerusalem (of which they spoke: Luke 9:30-31) which was testified Hebrews 10:7-9 of the passing of the glory of the old (law and prophets/Moses and Elijah) to the more glorious new (2 Corinthians 3:9-11): and so when Peter desired to build three tabernacles, the Voice from heaven said "This is My beloved Son; hear Him" (Luke 9:33-35): and in which the apostles were witness of these things: John 1:45, Acts 28:23, Romans 3:21

What we appear to have in Elijah/Elisha is the same passing of office as from Moses/Joshua (as from old/new), and the prophets in the day of Elijah knew that he hadn't been taken away from the earth itself, so sought after him, not wishing to accept the change: but they could not find him. So in the same way that no one could find the burial place of Moses (Deuteronomy 34:5-6), no one could find the place that Elijah had been taken (not that he died, but that he could not be found); in order to compel them to move forward from the old and into the new. Thus as with Joshua (Joshua 3:7) Elisha was also magnified to the same purpose (2 Kings 2:15).

Brian45 · Feb 26, 2017

Another Lazarus said:
Elijah sent the letter because he was no longer on earth otherwise he could meet and warn people personally.

They say you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it. (rolls eyes)

miknik5 · Feb 27, 2017

Brian45 said:
They say you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it. (rolls eyes)

Sorry. I also agree with this. There is some very pertinent information you are both leaving out

Namely that the WORD of GOD is a TESTIMONY of JESUS

EVERYTHING

For THE TESTIMONY JESUS

IS

THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY

(Ansside...Elijah wouldn't have left "His Mantle" behind if he was still in the world)

miknik5 · Feb 27, 2017

miknik5 said:
He ascended just as it was already whispered about and just as these other prophets kept telling Elisha, your master will be taken from you today

In which Elisha would answer
I know but don't speak of it

John Hyperspace said:
I believe it's a good possibility. In the "vision" on the mount, Moses and Elijah appeared, and I believe this is because the three apostles are being shown the express image of the law and the prophets concerning Jesus Christ: His transfiguring showing His glory written in the law and the prophets to be fulfilled in Jerusalem (of which they spoke: Luke 9:30-31) which was testified Hebrews 10:7-9 of the passing of the glory of the old (law and prophets/Moses and Elijah) to the more glorious new (2 Corinthians 3:9-11): and so when Peter desired to build three tabernacles, the Voice from heaven said "This is My beloved Son; hear Him" (Luke 9:33-35): and in which the apostles were witness of these things: John 1:45, Acts 28:23, Romans 3:21

What we appear to have in Elijah/Elisha is the same passing of office as from Moses/Joshua (as from old/new), and the prophets in the day of Elijah knew that he hadn't been taken away from the earth itself, so sought after him, not wishing to accept the change: but they could not find him. So in the same way that no one could find the burial place of Moses (Deuteronomy 34:5-6), no one could find the place that Elijah had been taken (not that he died, but that he could not be found); in order to compel them to move forward from the old and into the new. Thus as with Joshua (Joshua 3:7) Elisha was also magnified to the same purpose (2 Kings 2:15).

There is One Condition which had to be met which Elisha testifies to (and the passed MANTLE attests to) which these "company of prophets" did not have and did not receive

The Very Reason why they went out searching for "Elijah" in this world and why Elisha didn't

And Peter James and John, after receiving this vision, Peter declaring , in his confusion and awe, let us make three tabernacles, (in this world) after he had just confessed JESUS as THE SON of GOD (and with that above Moses, and Elijah) shows that they were all a bit confused by what they had seen

But they began to figure it out

It's why James and John, through their mom, tentatively asked for seats to HIS left and right when HE comes into HIS KINGDOM

Seats that were already assigned to?

miknik5 · Feb 27, 2017

What you ask is a very difficult thing but if you see me ascend it shall be yours

Elisha saw "HIS MASTER"
ascend

And THE MANTLE from
GOD was passed to Elisha

Not the company of prophets

Elisha knew better than they where His Master had been taken which is why he (unlike the "company of prophets") did not "go out" to seek Elijah

Brian45 · Feb 27, 2017

miknik5 said:
For THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY

Oh I know this one well!!....thank you

Another Lazarus · Feb 27, 2017

Imho the 2 Witness shall be killed in America, the city could be NY.
John called the city as spiritual Sodom and Egypt.

Rev 11:7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified.

America is the biggest Sodomite nation /LGBT

And the symbols from Egypt WHERE ALSO THEIR LORD IS CRUCIFIED

The All Seeing Eye is the eye of Lucifer which is the power behind the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

And i believe thats what John has seen and described it that way as the spiritual Sodom and Egypt.

The 2 Witness shall be killed by the beast from bottomless pit which shall be released by the 5th trumpets. Therefore we can understand that the 1st-7th seal + 1st-5th trumpets is sounded within the first 3.5 years.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

miknik5 · Feb 27, 2017

Brian45 said:
Oh I know this one well!!....thank you

You know that every WORD of GOD pointed to Jesus

That's good

I think that all we have to do is fix our eyes on HIM

Don't you?

I mean when people get together they really shouldn't alter GOD's WORD to make HIS WORD suggest anymore than what HE said

Since it is THE TESTIMJNY of JESUS

You can't bring the horse to water
It's true

But you certainly shouldn't change the water either

miknik5 · Feb 27, 2017

Another Lazarus said:
Imho the 2 Witness shall be killed in America, the city could be NY.
John called the city as spiritual Sodom and Egypt.

Rev 11:7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified.

America is the biggest Sodomite nation /LGBT

And the symbols from Egypt WHERE ALSO THEIR LORD IS CRUCIFIED

The All Seeing Eye is the eye of Lucifer which is the power behind the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

And i believe thats what John has seen and described it that way as the spiritual Sodom and Egypt.

The 2 Witness shall be killed by the beast from bottomless pit which shall be released by the 5th trumpets. Therefore we can understand that the 1st-7th seal + 1st-5th trumpets is sounded within the first 3.5 years.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

Do you think the LORD's death was a mistake?

What do you mean the power behind HIS CRICIFIXION being anything but the will and work of GOD?

I do not agree with you
Please don't confuse anyone in thinking that CHRIST's death was a mistake

BABerean2 · Feb 27, 2017

Another Lazarus said:
Imho the 2 Witness shall be killed in America, the city could be NY.
John called the city as spiritual Sodom and Egypt.

Rev 11:7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified.

America is the biggest Sodomite nation /LGBT

You are ignoring the one part which clearly identifies the city, in Revelation 11:8.

"where also our Lord was crucified."

That would be the city of Jerusalem.

The capital city of Israel, Tel aviv, is now known world-wide as the "Gay Capital" of the world.

What Israeli building has a pyramid on top of it?

miknik5 · Feb 27, 2017

Why do we have to post videos and images as if this assists GOD's WORD?

Another Lazarus · Feb 28, 2017

miknik5 said:
What do you mean the power behind HIS CRICIFIXION being anything but the will and work of GOD?

The devil All seeing eye is the power behind the crucifixion of Jesus and Jesus has allowed it to happen as allowed by Father's Will as God has a plan that satan did not understand, which is to show God's power in resurrection.

Luke 22:3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve 4 And Judas went to the chief priests and the officers of the temple and discussed with them how he might betray Jesus.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

Another Lazarus · Feb 28, 2017

BABerean2 said:
You are ignoring the one part which clearly identifies the city,
That would be the city of Jerusalem.

John would simply write it Jerusalem if its really meant Jerusalem, but at that time there was still a long way to go be4 USA is established in 18th century.

And no way Jerusalem is called spiritual Sodom because Jerusalem is a sacred city for 3 religions although some gay flourish there.
compare the number of gay number with US gay, its small.

And no way Jerusalem can be connected with EGYPT in any spiritual way although there is a miniature pyramid of all seein eye in Israel, we should pay attention to the word WHERE ALSO THEIR LORD IS CRUCIFIED. Jesus surely wasnt crucified in Egypt. It speaks about the dark power behind the crucifixion of Jesus, and this dark power is the all seeing eye which is the shadow government of Freemason in US.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

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