Yeshua/Jesus Rose on the Sixth Day of the Week

YHWH_will_uplift · Feb 26, 2017

gadar perets said:
Mia ton sabbaton refers to the first workday of a week based on the weekly Sabbath cycle of six working days and then Sabbath. The first work day is Sunday or the first of the Sabbath week.
The word sabbaton, although written as a plural, can be used in a singular sense. It is similar to how "elohim" is used in Hebrew (a plural form, but singular in meaning in many cases). Here are a few examples of sabbaton referring to a single Sabbath day;

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath (ton sabbaton) day, and stood up for to read.

Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath (ton sabbaton) day, and sat down.

Acts 16:13 And on the sabbath (ton sabbaton) we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Okay but, this still doesn't explain it being the any particular day of the Sabbath week. And it doesn't disprove its plural use in the Gospels which we've been discussing.

gadar perets · Feb 26, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
note that the true Biblical calendar begins in the spring as God created the heavenly lights one day after the new plant life had sprung forth from the ground: the Jews begin their calendar in the autumn.

Actually, it is you who are wrong in assuming I use the "Jews' lunar calendar". I use the Biblical calendar that starts in the month Abib.

And your new moon assumption is false as there is no command in te Torah to observe a new moon or the Sabbath on a new moon. CHoDeSH means new month not new moon: for you will see that the times where this occurs that it refers to a schematic month and not a lunation or lunar month. Consider this dialogue between David and Johnathan:
"And David said unto Jonathan, Behold, to morrow is the new moon, and I should not fail to sit with the king at meat: but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field unto the third day at even. If thy father at all miss me, then say, David earnestly asked leave of me that he might run to Bethlehem his city: for there is a yearly sacrifice there for all the family.
And Jonathan said unto David, Come, and let us go out into the field. And they went out both of them into the field.
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And Jonathan said unto David, O Lord God of Israel, when I have sounded my father about to morrow any time, or the third day, and, behold, if there be good toward David, and I then send not unto thee, and shew it thee;
And when thou hast stayed three days, then thou shalt go down quickly, and come to the place where thou didst hide thyself when the business was in hand, and shalt remain by the stone Ezel. And I will shoot three arrows on the side thereof, as though I shot at a mark. And, behold, I will send a lad, saying, Go, find out the arrows. If I expressly say unto the lad, Behold, the arrows are on this side of thee, take them; then come thou: for there is peace to thee, and no hurt; as the Lord liveth. But if I say thus unto the young man, Behold, the arrows are beyond thee; go thy way: for the Lord hath sent thee away. And as touching the matter which thou and I have spoken of, behold, the Lord be between thee and me for ever.
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So David hid himself in the field: and when the new moon was come, the king sat him down to eat meat. And the king sat upon his seat, as at other times, even upon a seat by the wall: and Jonathan arose, and Abner sat by Saul's side, and David's place was empty. Nevertheless Saul spake not any thing that day: for he thought, Something hath befallen him, he is not clean; surely he is not clean. And it came to pass on the morrow, which was the second day of the month, that David's place was empty: and Saul said unto Jonathan his son, Wherefore cometh not the son of Jesse to meat, neither yesterday, nor to day? And Jonathan answered Saul, David earnestly asked leave of me to go to Bethlehem: And he said, Let me go, I pray thee; for our family hath a sacrifice in the city; and my brother, he hath commanded me to be there: and now, if I have found favour in thine eyes, let me get away, I pray thee, and see my brethren. Therefore he cometh not unto the king's table."
-I Samuel 20:5-6, 11-12, 17-29

We see that the translators couldn't cover their tracks completely with the new month and new moon confusion. Indeed it is admitted that YeReaCH is moon for Hebrew while ChoDeSH is month, and that it is only through tradtions of the Rabbi's that translators falsely translate CHoDeSH as moon.

The translators correctly used "new moon" in this passage because every new month begins with a new crescent moon as the moon rebuilds until it is full. Consider the following verses that use "yerach".

Exodus 2:2 And the woman conceived, and bare a son: and when she saw him that he [was a] goodly [child], she hid him three months3391.
Deuteronomy 21:13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month3391: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
1 Kings 6:37 In the fourth year was the foundation of the house of YHWH laid, in the month3391 Zif :
1 Kings 6:38 And in the eleventh year, in the month3391 Bul, which [is] the eighth month, was the house finished throughout all the parts thereof, and according to all the fashion of it. So was he seven years in building it.
1 Kings 8:2 And all the men of Israel assembled themselves unto king Solomon at the feast in the month3391 Ethanim, which [is] the seventh month.
2 Kings 15:13 Shallum the son of Jabesh began to reign in the nine and thirtieth year of Uzziah king of Judah; and he reigned a full month3391 in Samaria.
Job 3:6 As [for] that night, let darkness seize upon it; let it not be joined unto the days of the year, let it not come into the number of the months3391.
Job 7:3 So am I made to possess months3391 of vanity, and wearisome nights are appointed to me.
Job 29:2 Oh that I were as [in] months3391 past, as [in] the days [when] God preserved me;
Job 39:2 Can you number the months3391[that] they fulfil? or know you the time when they bring forth?
Zecariah 11:8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month3391; and my soul loathed them, and their soul also abhorred me.

The most important verse above, in my opinion, is 1 Kings 8:2:

And all the men of Israel assembled themselves unto king Solomon at the feast in the month3391 Ethanim, which [is] the seventh month.

This verse clearly teaches us that the seventh month in Yahweh’s calendar is called “Ethanim”. This is a Hebrew name given to that month prior to the Babylonian captivity. It is also the month in which “the feast” (of Tabernacles) occurs. What is the seventh month called in this verse? “The feast in the moon Ethanim which is the seventh month”. Why does it call it that? Because Yahweh’s calendar is a lunar-solar calendar in which each new month begins with a crescent moon. The new crescent moon of Ethanim is also Yom Teruah (The Day of Trumpets).

Leviticus 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall you have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

The word “month” that appears twice in this verse about Yom Teruah is “chodesh”. The “first day of the chodesh” is the moon Ethanim. This teaches us by extension that every chodesh begins with a moon. A new moon to be precise. That is why all the lexical definitions of chodesh say it can refer to the new moon.

Psalm 104:19 – “He appointed the moon for seasons (moedim): the sun knows his going down.”

The moon is indeed appointed for “moedim” (feasts/appointed times). Without the moon of Ethanim, we would not know when Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur or Sukkot are.

The calendars in the Bible, 1 Enoch, Jubilees, and the DSS are the same: the bretherenat Qumran could not have known of such a calendar had it not been preserved in the writings which still existed during their time and did not make it up of their own devising; Jubilees and 1 Enoch have Moses as the author of the former and, Enoch as the author of the latter. In addition the lack of detail which the DSS and Jubilees has in describing the exact course of the heavenly lights is to be expected as it would not be necessary to write everything which has already been recorded for them to reference. The Bible then has no need to reiterate every word found in 1 Enoch or Jubilees since Moses wrote them out already: this would further explain why these ancient writings survived for so long for; if these were once sacred scripture then there would be no need to ask why the Bible "doesn't discuss the phases of the heavenly lights

The preservation of a calendar means nothing unless it was preserved in Scripture. I have shown you above how YHWH's calendar, as preserved in Scripture, differs from those other calendars in that the other calendars totally disregard the moon in determining when the feasts fall.

This is easy to answer as well since Enoch's main message is that at the end of the year the sun, moon and stars complete the year in 364 Days. The sun and stars are mentioned first as they do not fall behind ten days as the moon does. The so called astronomers are wrong as their facts are not based on the Bible which counts 52 Weeks according to the 52 Sabbaths we are to observe not because 365/7= ~52 Weeks: God deals with precision in regards to time and place not approximations.

The Bible says nothing about 364 days or 52 weeks. The year is from Abib 1 until the day before the next Abib 1 (between the first new crescent of Abib until the day before the first new crescent moon of the following Abib).

gadar perets · Feb 26, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
Okay but, this still doesn't explain it being the any particular day of the Sabbath week. And it doesn't disprove its plural use in the Gospels which we've been discussing.

"Mia" specifies which day of the Sabbath week; the first. As for the plural, it certainly cannot refer to the first day of Unleavened Bread since Yeshua was dead at that time. It can't refer to the last day of UB since Yeshua was already resurrected by that time. Yeshua fulfilled the wave sheaf offering which was historically offered on Abib 16. That is when his ascension was fulfilled (pictured by waving the sheaf up and down). The day before was a double Sabbath where Abib 15 fell on a weekly Sabbath. Therefore, the plural Sabbaton cannot refer to that day either. It means one thing; the first of the week, Sunday. This does not mean we are to honor Sunday each week as the new Sabbath. Nor does it mean we should celebrate his resurrection on a Sunday every year. It just happened to fall on a Sunday that year. We should definitely celebrate his resurrection/ascension on Abib 16 every year.

gadar perets · Feb 26, 2017

<staff edit> I have taken the time to study Enoch which is why I reject that calendar and am able to accept your challenge and show you the faults with it compared to the Biblical calendar. It is your explanation of it that has me thinking it is jibberish. You wrote, "Sun and stars = 366 Days + 4 Overplus Days + 4 Intercalary Days = 374 Days - 10 Overplus Days = 364 Days". Enoch says nothing about all that except that the year has 364 days.

gadar perets · Feb 27, 2017

<staff edit>
You did not make the math clear. You muddied the waters. You also failed to address post #26.

YHWH_will_uplift · Feb 27, 2017

gadar perets said:
Actually, it is you who are wrong in assuming I use the "Jews' lunar calendar". I use the Biblical calendar that starts in the month Abib.

The translators correctly used "new moon" in this passage because every new month begins with a new crescent moon as the moon rebuilds until it is full. Consider the following verses that use "yerach".

Exodus 2:2 And the woman conceived, and bare a son: and when she saw him that he [was a] goodly [child], she hid him three months3391.
Deuteronomy 21:13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month3391: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
1 Kings 6:37 In the fourth year was the foundation of the house of YHWH laid, in the month3391 Zif :
1 Kings 6:38 And in the eleventh year, in the month3391 Bul, which [is] the eighth month, was the house finished throughout all the parts thereof, and according to all the fashion of it. So was he seven years in building it.
1 Kings 8:2 And all the men of Israel assembled themselves unto king Solomon at the feast in the month3391 Ethanim, which [is] the seventh month.
2 Kings 15:13 Shallum the son of Jabesh began to reign in the nine and thirtieth year of Uzziah king of Judah; and he reigned a full month3391 in Samaria.
Job 3:6 As [for] that night, let darkness seize upon it; let it not be joined unto the days of the year, let it not come into the number of the months3391.
Job 7:3 So am I made to possess months3391 of vanity, and wearisome nights are appointed to me.
Job 29:2 Oh that I were as [in] months3391 past, as [in] the days [when] God preserved me;
Job 39:2 Can you number the months3391[that] they fulfil? or know you the time when they bring forth?
Zecariah 11:8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month3391; and my soul loathed them, and their soul also abhorred me.

The most important verse above, in my opinion, is 1 Kings 8:2:

And all the men of Israel assembled themselves unto king Solomon at the feast in the month3391 Ethanim, which [is] the seventh month.

This verse clearly teaches us that the seventh month in Yahweh’s calendar is called “Ethanim”. This is a Hebrew name given to that month prior to the Babylonian captivity. It is also the month in which “the feast” (of Tabernacles) occurs. What is the seventh month called in this verse? “The feast in the moon Ethanim which is the seventh month”. Why does it call it that? Because Yahweh’s calendar is a lunar-solar calendar in which each new month begins with a crescent moon. The new crescent moon of Ethanim is also Yom Teruah (The Day of Trumpets).

Leviticus 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall you have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

The word “month” that appears twice in this verse about Yom Teruah is “chodesh”. The “first day of the chodesh” is the moon Ethanim. This teaches us by extension that every chodesh begins with a moon. A new moon to be precise. That is why all the lexical definitions of chodesh say it can refer to the new moon.

Psalm 104:19 – “He appointed the moon for seasons (moedim): the sun knows his going down.”

The moon is indeed appointed for “moedim” (feasts/appointed times). Without the moon of Ethanim, we would not know when Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur or Sukkot are.

The preservation of a calendar means nothing unless it was preserved in Scripture. I have shown you above how YHWH's calendar, as preserved in Scripture, differs from those other calendars in that the other calendars totally disregard the moon in determining when the feasts fall.

The Bible says nothing about 364 days or 52 weeks. The year is from Abib 1 until the day before the next Abib 1 (between the first new crescent of Abib until the day before the first new crescent moon of the following Abib).

Okay so I checked your work and you missed something very crucial: YeReACH = Moon whereas YeRaCH = Month. The key difference between YeRaCH and CHoDeSH is that the former relates to a non renewing months, whereas the latter always refers to the beginning or renewing of a month(s). Either way none of the words proves that YHWH's Calendar is lunar, as I have proven that this has never been the case. In short your case only has validity if you can prove that the day begins in the evening. I have proven that it has always begun in the morning according to God and Moses.

gadar perets · Feb 27, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
Okay so I checked your work and you missed something very crucial: YeReACH = Moon whereas YeRaCH = Month. The key difference between YeRaCH and CHoDeSH is that the former relates to a non renewing months, whereas the latter always refers to the beginning or renewing of a month(s). Either way none of the words proves that YHWH's Calendar is lunar, as I have proven that this has never been the case. In short your case only has validity if you can prove that the day begins in the evening. I have proven that it has always begun in the morning according to God and Moses.

YeRaCH means a month based on a lunation.

BDB definition:

month (lunar cycle), moon

Strong's definition;

a lunation, that is, month

Also, I NEVER said YHWH's calendar is lunar. It is a solar-lunar calendar. A lunar calendar would cause the feasts to drift throughout the year. A solar-lunar calendar causes them to remain in their season.

YHWH_will_uplift · Feb 27, 2017

gadar perets said:
YeRaCH means a month based on a lunation.

BDB definition:

month (lunar cycle), moon
Strong's definition;

a lunation, that is, month

Also, I NEVER said YHWH's calendar is lunar. It is a solar-lunar calendar. A lunar calendar would cause the feasts to drift throughout the year. A solar-lunar calendar causes them to remain in their season.

This only proves that Moses was hidden for 88 days at most according to the cycle of the moon. It does not prove that all of the months are led by the moon which is what you keep falsely concluding. And in addition a luni-solar calendar is still not the calendar that YHWH uses: for though the sun, moon, and stars work together to track the time: it is strictly a solar calendar with no leap days, weeks, months, or years. Your luni-solar calendar has a leap month added to it after so many years: in reality it is still lunar based with the moon leading as opposed to the sun: this calendar is no different than its Bablyonian predecessor which adds a 13th Month/Adar II. <staff edit>

gadar perets · Feb 27, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
This only proves that Moses was hidden for 81 days at most according to the cycle of the moon.

I have no idea what you are referring to?

It does not prove that all of the months are led by the moon which is what you keep falsely concluding.

That is exactly what it proves. Every month is based on a lunation. What are you saying; that some months are based on a lunation, but not all?

And in addition a luni-solar calendar is still not the calendar that YHWH uses: for though the sun, moon, and stars work together to track the time: it is strictly a solar calendar with no leap days, weeks, months, or years. Your luni-solar calendar has a leap month added to it after so many years: in reality it is still lunar based with the moon leading as opposed to the sun: this calendar is no different than its Bablyonian predecessor which adds a 13th Month/Adar II.

The verses I quoted from 1 Kings are pre-Babylonian captivity. If anything Babylon got their calendar from Israel, not vice versa.

YHWH_will_uplift · Feb 27, 2017

gadar perets said:
I have no idea what you are referring to?

That is exactly what it proves. Every month is based on a lunation. What are you saying; that some months are based on a lunation, but not all?

The verses I quoted from 1 Kings are pre-Babylonian captivity. If anything Babylon got their calendar from Israel, not vice versa.

What I am telling you is that Enoch makes it very clear that the moon completes its months and year shorter than the sun and stars as it falls behind them five days every six months: therefore we are told to not follow the moon as the leader of months and year, instead, we are to follow the sun as the leader as it is the greater of the two lights. The 88 days comment was to show that the moon follows alternating months of 29 and 30 days (29 + 30 + 29 = 88 Lunar Days). That is also why we are warned to not let the moon take the lead as it would cause all of the seasons and appointed times to fall out of place due to it falling behind the sun and stars ten days. Keep in mind that Israel followed a solar calendar before, during, and after their time in Egypt and Canaan. Let's not forget the Mitsraim and Canaan are descendants of Ham who is the son of Noah: this tells us that a solar observance goes back to the time of Adam and Enoch. This did not change until Solomon started dallying with foreign women; and, finally took hold once Babylon became a world power. The Greeks and the Romans credit their lunar observance to the Babylonians: indeed all of their wisdom to Babylon. The Jews became ensnared by the heathens around them as He prophecied through Moses and the prophets.

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 4, 2017

Adam is a figure of the One to come (Romans 5:14): He was the only man to not be born of a woman nor have earthly parents: therefore Adam qualifies as the Son of God. Furthermore Adam being made in the Image and Likeness of God: is a fulfillment of the Word becoming flesh and dwelling among us. Adam was in the earth for three days and nights before being raised from the dust of the earth on the 6th day: Christ was the slain Passover Lamb on the 3rd day and raised three days and nights later on the 6th day. Adam was given dominion over the animals in the heavens, the earth, and the sea: which represents Christ's 1,000 year reign on earth over the nations once the 6,000th year has commenced. The marriage between Adam and Eve represents the marriage between Jesus and the Church.
In addition look at the mysterious title Son of Man. This is not referring to any son of earthly origin: remember that man in Hebrew is Adam so, the title would read Son of Adam. Adam as we know had more than one son so, which 'son' is being referred to? We see Abel as a type of Christ who was slain as a virgin and had committed no evil and his birth and death came about as a breath or a vapor; and, his brother Cain (i.e. the spear) are a type of the Jews who would kill their own righteous brother who had done no wrong; Seth in the Hebrew means to put: so we see that the Son of Man is the be killed, and pierced with a spear; and, this same Son of Man would also live a short life which would seem like vanity to those who knew such a righteous Man; and, this same man would then have the breath put into Him in order that He might live again in the Image and Likeness of God: the only Biblical person to qualify as such would be Jesus who was killed by His own brethren and pierced in the side with a spear, who after three days and nights rose from the dead and had the breath of life put into Him and be raised up in the Image and Likeness God as the new Adam. Because Adam and Christ are the only two to not have biological blood parents: they qualify as the Son of God: therefore is Christ called the Son of Adam.
Remember that Adam in Hebrew is man and Adamah in Hebrew is earth: therefore Adam was in the earth before being risen up from it.

gadar perets · Mar 5, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
What I am telling you is that Enoch makees it very clear that the moon completes its months and year shorter than the sun and stars as it falls behind them five days every six months: therefore we are told to not follow the moon as the leader of months and year, instead, we are to follow the sun as the leader as it is the greater of the two lights.

YHWH is not the one telling you to not follow the moon for months. That is exactly what He is telling us in Scripture.

The 81 days comment was to show that the moon follows alternating months of 29 and 30 days (29 + 30 + 29 = 81 Lunar Days).

?? That adds up to 88 using the addition technique I learned in school.

That is also why we are warned to not let the moon take the lead as it would cause all of the seasons and appointed times to fall out of place due to it falling behind the sun and stars ten days.

Not a problem as long as it is anchored to the vernal equinox. A true lunar calendar such as Islam has would be problematic.

Keep in mind that Israel followed a solar calendar before, during, and after their time in Egypt and Canaan.

What is your historical proof for this?

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 6, 2017

gadar perets said:
YHWH is not the one telling you to not follow the moon for months. That is exactly what He is telling us in Scripture.

No, he is telling us that it works with the sun and stars. YHWH made it clear that it is not the leader for the months.

gadar perets said:
?? That adds up to 88 using the addition technique I learned in school.

Thanks for the correction.

gadar perets said:
Not a problem as long as it is anchored to the vernal equinox. A true lunar calendar such as Islam has would be problematic.

It can only be anchored to the vernal equinox if the sun is leading and keeping it and the moon in check otherwise it is not anchored to it without the sun. Luni-solar is still lunar in origin.

gadar perets said:
What is your historical proof for this?

Just read the historical record of Genesis 1:14-19. If you have a problem with this then please tell me which narrative (i.e. history) we are to follow?

gadar perets · Mar 6, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
No, he is telling us that it works with the sun and stars. YHWH made it clear that it is not the leader for the months.

Where did He say it is not the leader for the months?

It can only be anchored to the vernal equinox if the sun is leading and keeping it and the moon in check otherwise it is not anchored to it without the sun.

If we are talking about the vernal equinox, then of course the sun is involved.

Just read the historical record of Genesis 1:14-19. If you have a problem with this then please tell me which narrative (i.e. history) we are to follow?

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights (plural) in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them (plural) be for signs, and for moedim (What "moedim" is mentioned in Scripture that the sun is for?), and for days (How is the moon for days?), and years:(How is the moon "for years"?)
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night (The moon is the leader of the night): he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

This passage mentions nothing about months.

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 7, 2017

gadar perets said:
Where did He say it is not the leader for the months?

If we are talking about the vernal equinox, then of course the sun is involved.

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights (plural) in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them (plural) be for signs, and for moedim (What "moedim" is mentioned in Scripture that the sun is for?), and for days (How is the moon for days?), and years:(How is the moon "for years"?)
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night (The moon is the leader of the night): he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

This passage mentions nothing about months.

Because the sun is the greater light and is the light which indicates when the equinoxes occur and is the ruler of the day, and evening and morning = 1 Day and not 1 Night: it stands that the night is at a 2-1 disadvantage. God is Light: therefore God is the Day: therefore He made the sun the ruler of the day which He made greater than the night and the moon. Because Light has a greater advantage over Darkness: therefore the moon is not the leader of the days of the year. This is all of course implied within such a short chapter of Genesis 1.

gadar perets · Mar 7, 2017

You didn't answer my questions within the text.

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights (plural) in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them (plural) be for signs, and for moedim (What "moedim" is mentioned in Scripture that the sun is for?), and for days (How is the moon for days?), and years:(How is the moon "for years"?)
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night (The moon is the leader of the night): he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

gadar perets · Mar 7, 2017

Again you did not answer my questions. I am not asking you about the sun leading or any other thing you brought up. I'll post my three questions one more time. If you choose not to answer them, we are done.

1) What "moedim" is mentioned in Scripture that the sun is for?
2) How is the moon for days?
3) How is the moon "for years"?

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 7, 2017

gadar perets said:
Again you did not answer my questions. I am not asking you about the sun leading or any other thing you brought up. I'll post my three questions one more time. If you choose not to answer them, we are done.

1) What "moedim" is mentioned in Scripture that the sun is for?
2) How is the moon for days?
3) How is the moon "for years"?

Lol! Okay the text answered that for you ha ha ha. God said let them (i.e. the two great lights) be for signs, seasons, days, and years.

gadar perets · Mar 7, 2017

<staff edit>Genesis 1:14-19 make it clear that the lesser light is for days and years. It does not state how. You already told me how the sun fulfills that, but you failed to tell me how the moon fulfills that. I told you how the moon is for moedim, but you have not told me how the sun is for moedim.

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 8, 2017

<staff edit>The moon is not soley for anything: it states that both of the lights are for signs seasons, days, and years. The moon simply follows the sun and falls short ten days each year as it is the lesser light; and it fulfills the appointed times the same way the sun does: it just does not occur the way lunar observers wish it to occur.

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