The Magnitude of the End of the Age

JacksBratt said:

Hmmm,

Russian has not attacked Israel yet,
The Antichrist is not here,
We need no special mark in order to buy or sell,
Nobody has got sores all over their bodies from getting said mark,
No sea has turned to blood, killing all sea creatures,
No meteor the size of a mountain, crashed into the ocean,
No rivers and springs have turned to blood either,
The sun has not expanded to scorch men and the earth,
There has not been a great darkness come across the earth,
The Euphrates river has not dried up,
No world wide earthquake,

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INTERPRETATION!

Try not to read some scripture literally! There is more to it than face value!

Remember, it was written in a time when these things were written in a way that those living at that time could understand. People should not read it with a 'modern' eye!

ozarkview said:

during the millennial, we are all ready transformed into spiritual body's. again, you misrepresent what is written..

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The earth has to have some humans that have not died, have not been judged and have not renounced Christ. This will include the 144,000 Jews who will be converted.

If He does not intervene, all will die and nobody will be able to repopulate the earth for the millennial age.

Only those who have been raptured, dead and living, and those who are believers and die during the tribulation, will already be transformed and already judged.
All the dead, non believers will be awaiting judgement and will not be present during the millennial age.

There will be humans, who have not died and have not been raptured, have not been judged and still have mortal human bodies. These will be the ones that populate the earth during Christ's millennial reign. These are the ones who will live in a time without Satan's tempting... that is until the end, for a short time.

These are the ones who would also be dead if Christ does not intervene.

Goatee said:

INTERPRETATION!

Try not to read some scripture literally! There is more to it than face value!

Remember, it was written in a time when these things were written in a way that those living at that time could understand. People should not read it with a 'modern' eye!

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Ok,

You go with your interpretation....

I'll go with what is written, plainly, in God's word.

If you think we have had the tribulation, that there is not, still to come, the worst times on earth for the human race, in all of history... go ahead.

Achilles6129 said:

I've considered these passages as well. I think that one set of passages (the peaceful set) is speaking about the rapture, and the other set of passages (the catastrophic set) is speaking about the wrath of God.

So I think that the rapture happens first and then that inaugurates the wrath and the judgement of God.

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I find your thinking to be in tension with I Corinthians 15 (the sequence laid out for us there) as well as what we find in I Thessalonians 4:13-18. But seems sadly that your mind is very much made up and set on your theory.

I have no idea about Revelations, it's still on my "to get to list". Pretty scary, and i have an ostrich mentality so...

My parents did teach me about the Rapture however, and i am under the impression that this will happen before all of the devastation predicted in Revelations... so i never felt any urgency to studying Revelations.

Did i get the wrong message delivered? Must i worry?


And:

JacksBratt said:

The Antichrist is not here,

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Really? There is some speculation on this side of the world that he may have been voted to power in 2016. But like i just said i dont know the last book and these are others opinions that i hear.

JacksBratt said:

Ok,

You go with your interpretation....

I'll go with what is written, plainly, in God's word.

If you think we have had the tribulation, that there is not, still to come, the worst times on earth for the human race, in all of history... go ahead.

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Your reading God's word with your own interpretation my friend!

Pixey said:

I have no idea about Revelations, it's still on my "to get to list". Pretty scary, and i have an ostrich mentality so...

My parents did teach me about the Rapture however, and i am under the impression that this will happen before all of the devastation predicted in Revelations... so i never felt any urgency to studying Revelations.

Did i get the wrong message delivered? Must i worry?

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I wouldn't say the wrong message. However, the Book of Revelations is the only one that comes with a blessing to those who read it.

Pixey said:

And:

Really? There is some speculation on this side of the world that he may have been voted to power in 2016. But like i just said i dont know the last book and these are others opinions that i hear.

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I guess I should have clarified that the Antichrist is certainly not been revealed as such and is not in power as the Antichrist. Even if this person is alive and in power, it is not to the extent indicated by scripture. Not yet.

Goatee said:

Your reading God's word with your own interpretation my friend!

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And.......so are you.

Achilles6129 said:

I've considered these passages as well. I think that one set of passages (the peaceful set) is speaking about the rapture, and the other set of passages (the catastrophic set) is speaking about the wrath of God.

So I think that the rapture happens first and then that inaugurates the wrath and the judgement of God.

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I agree. Yet there are those who believe otherwise. I don't allow them to shake me.I believe we go in the rapture at the 6th seal. Some people believe that the seals have already been opened.I think that is possible too.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

I agree. Yet there are those who believe otherwise. I don't allow them to shake me.I believe we go in the rapture at the 6th seal. Some people believe that the seals have already been opened.I think that is possible too.

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There is a lot of good arguments for all different scenario's on this subject.

I believe that the church, the body of Christ, the saved, those with salvation, whatever way you want to label them, will be removed from these events at the same time that the Holy spirit is removed.

The reason I believe this is because Christ said "I will never leave you or forsake you". He also sent the comforter to be His presence in His absence. I believe that the body of Christ, the church and the power of the Holy Spirit is what has delayed much of the evil that could have happened so far in our world.

As soon as "the one who restrains" is taken... then Satan has no resistance to carry out his plan.

I cannot see the children of God being left without their comforter as Christ promised that He would not leave or forsake us.

So, soon as the restrainer is taken, the Christians will be raptured too.

JacksBratt said:

And.......so are you.

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You are not reading it as it was meant to be read nearly 2,000 years ago! You, like many others, are reading it with a modern interpretation.

Pixey said:

I have no idea about Revelations, it's still on my "to get to list". Pretty scary, and i have an ostrich mentality so...

My parents did teach me about the Rapture however, and i am under the impression that this will happen before all of the devastation predicted in Revelations... so i never felt any urgency to studying Revelations.

Did i get the wrong message delivered? Must i worry?


And:

Really? There is some speculation on this side of the world that he may have been voted to power in 2016. But like i just said i dont know the last book and these are others opinions that i hear.

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I don't think you should worry, but, you should read the Revelation.I had an ostrich mentality as a youngster. And like you, I heard that Jesus was coming back again, so gradually I started to read it.I learned to read the prophetic books in the OT and they helped me to understand the Revelation. So you might want to do that. Start with Daniel. I bought a prophecy workbook and took time every day working through it. Now that helped a lot. So do read the Revelation and be blessed.

Goatee said:

You are not reading it as it was meant to be read nearly 2,000 years ago! You, like many others, are reading it with a modern interpretation.

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Well forgive me for reading it like everyone else.

Unless, of course, you can tell me when, in the past, Israel was reborn as a nation after Rome dispersed them from their land, there has ever been two witnesses in the street, seen by all people living, that prophesied and killed people with fire if they tried to harm them.
That there has ever been a method to prevent or allow people to buy and sell by a mark on their hand or forehead.
That there has ever been a meteor fall into the ocean and turning it to blood, since this was written.

It is a well known fact that the great tribulation is still to come.

Some well educated and knowledgeable scholars may argue about timing and triggers but they all see it as a set of events of the future.

So, if you don't see the current events of this earth, in governments, military, economy and religions as being set up for the events of the prophecies in the Book of revelations..........I am at a loss for how you cannot see it.

The seals are about to be opened. The one world government is coming. It is in the headlines all the time. A cashless society is also in the making. People will be chipped or tattooed, the Pope is melting Islam and Catholicism together,
signs in the sky are increasing......

Achilles6129 said:

"22 Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short." Mt. 24:22 (NASB)

There are now 7.6 billion people on planet earth, meaning that Christ is saying that every single one of them would die had those days not been cut short. That means that some catastrophe of incredible magnitude is coming on this planet. There are other statements to this effect as well. I think that many have forgotten about the magnitude of the end of the age.

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I was wondering if anyone had ever calculated this and apparently, someone has:


This ought to get us in the ballpark, frightful odds. Apparently the Antichrist is on the biggest bloody rampage in human history and the last. At the opening of the first seal out pops the Conqueror, on a white horse and so it begins. At the opening of the fifth seal the martyrs beneath the alter complain, at the opening of the sixth seal God responds. Just before the Trumpet blasts commence the prayers of the saints are offered up, then the armies of the Antichrist are devastated and during this round, Israel repents. Before the pouring out of the Vials of Wrath, in heaven, they sing this song:

Of course this doesn't take into account a pretribulation rapture. Depending on how many are translated, estimates should be adjusted accordingly.

Grace and peace,
Mark

JacksBratt said:

Well forgive me for reading it like everyone else.

Unless, of course, you can tell me when, in the past, Israel was reborn as a nation after Rome dispersed them from their land, there has ever been two witnesses in the street, seen by all people living, that prophesied and killed people with fire if they tried to harm them.
That there has ever been a method to prevent or allow people to buy and sell by a mark on their hand or forehead.
That there has ever been a meteor fall into the ocean and turning it to blood, since this was written.

It is a well known fact that the great tribulation is still to come.

Some well educated and knowledgeable scholars may argue about timing and triggers but they all see it as a set of events of the future.

So, if you don't see the current events of this earth, in governments, military, economy and religions as being set up for the events of the prophecies in the Book of revelations..........I am at a loss for how you cannot see it.

The seals are about to be opened. The one world government is coming. It is in the headlines all the time. A cashless society is also in the making. People will be chipped or tattooed, the Pope is melting Islam and Catholicism together,
signs in the sky are increasing......

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You are reading it at 'face value'. Scripture can be more that just reading it!

You are, like many others, getting lost in its modern interpretation and what is happening in the world.

Throughout history there has been massive upheavals, wars etc etc. You are putting 2 & 2 together and coming up with whatever number suits you!

Goatee said:

The world is awash with people predicting an imminent end! Always been the same. Just trust in God and get on with living your life for God. Simples.

Just think, the people of Pompeii must have thought that the whole world was coming to an end. As did many others throughout history!

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I would agree with you to a point. But there is a fine line between being ignorant of the signs of His returm, so that the thief steals and destroys, and truly "living for Jesus", where you do not concern yourself with the signs of His coming.

The sad truth is, for the most part, we as His church are living for ourselves. We are earthly minded, not hesvenly minded. We walk, not as sojourners who understand that this is not our home, but as native citizens and our heart is clearly divided.

Our eye is not single, as we try to live with one and a half feet.in this world, and the other half foot in eternity. We have no concept of what it truly means to live or God.

We are told that all who live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution, and the fact that the world for the most part is apathetic to us rather than wanting to shut us up is a testimony to the sad state of the church at present..

Listen to Paul and what he told Timothy:

2 Timothy 3:1-5

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."

Did you catch that? These words are not accusations against those in the world. Heck, they have lived like that throughout eternity. These words are talking about God's own people. I suspect if you asked them about the signs of the times, they would say "Hey, they have always said stuff like that. Just live for Jesus" as they continue to draw near Him with their lips, but with their hearts far, far from Him.

Look, if one truly is living for their Lord and savior, praise God. But think for a minute. If they do not concern themselves with the darkening clouds for their sakes, should they not be concerned for the lost that are their friends, co-workers and even their own siblings or children?

It will not be popular to say so, but we are the generation spoken of here. Never before in the histpry of the modern church has there been a people so religiously lukewarm, and yet so adamant in their denying it to be fact. And they do not see that even their response is the answer the Laodecians would have offered.

Please understand, I do not levy any of these accusations against you personally. But one would have to be blind to not see that, for the most part, the church, especially in America, is fulfilling this prophecy quite accurately. Thank God He is soon to awaken us to our plight and cause us to light our lamps, just as He told us so many years ago.

Blessings,

Gideon

What are the signs? Same as people have been seeing since Christianity began? Every world crisis / war etc?

Goatee said:

What are the signs? Same as people have been seeing since Christianity began? Every world crisis / war etc?

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Yes, people have been saying it for years.

However, never before had Israel become a nation, as it did in 1948. Never before did we have the technology for the application of numbering every human and tracking their commerce. Never before could the whole world see two people in real time doing what they are doing around the clock. Never before did mankind have the weaponry that could destroy all of mankind. Never before has the new world order been possible.
Never before have all of these complex situations all been possible.

JacksBratt said:

Yes, people have been saying it for years.

However, never before had Israel become a nation, as it did in 1948. Never before did we have the technology for the application of numbering every human and tracking their commerce. Never before could the whole world see two people in real time doing what they are doing around the clock. Never before did mankind have the weaponry that could destroy all of mankind. Never before has the new world order been possible.
Never before have all of these complex situations all been possible.

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What we also have is governments hungry for power and willing to influence the populace by planting seeds, knowing they imply things such as fulfilling prophecy, no different than scare tactics to sell the public on laws for taxes, mandatory health care, speed limits or gun control for example.. so prophecy from God, or politicians?