NO MORE PREACHING ON HELL

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I want milk and I keep ever before me milk and it is what I present to babies who can't stomach meat
YES very true.
But when you are mature, grown up, or growing older in Christ. You begin to seek (almost starve) for more of HIM. Which is when you no longer want the things of a babe, you want the things of an adult nature. Why sit and listen to the same thing over and over and over again. Thats when you look over and see people sleeping in church, they already heard it, they already know it, they are bored. Their soul and spirit is not being stirred, so they go to sleep, wake up and so oh well sunday morning, lets get dressed up real pretty, go do the same old same old, i sit down after the 2 hymns, take a good ole nap while the preacher does his thing, and hurry up and finish because its almost 12 and i gotta go home and eat. Im just saying it has become routine. Milk is for babies and yes, give them milk because thats what they need. But one day that milk will get boring because their spirit is not being fed, its hungry more MORE of God. Milk for babies, steak for the truly hungry. And I am always hungry for more......
 
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The gospel being deluted and the Holy Spirit being left out, grieves my spirit.
The H.S. is not into what no longer "works" like hellfire and brimstone preaching, we have grown out our age of innocence is one reason it no longer works like it used to...

And the poster above is right (miknik5) about "the gospel" the Gospel literally means "good news" not bad, and is the gospel of grace, mercy and love...

The good news is not bad news... Now, you can present the reality of hell in such a way that it is "good news" and not bad news, but many do not do that with it, nor think to do that with it, so many just "don't" at all...

God Bless!
 
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YES very true.
But when you are mature, grown up, or growing older in Christ. You begin to seek (almost starve) for more of HIM. Which is when you no longer want the things of a babe, you want the things of an adult nature. Why sit and listen to the same thing over and over and over again. Thats when you look over and see people sleeping in church, they already heard it, they already know it, they are bored. Their soul and spirit is not being stirred, so they go to sleep, wake up and so oh well sunday morning, lets get dressed up real pretty, go do the same old same old, i sit down after the 2 hymns, take a good ole nap while the preacher does his thing, and hurry up and finish because its almost 12 and i gotta go home and eat. Im just saying it has become routine. Milk is for babies and yes, give them milk because thats what they need. But one day that milk will get boring because their spirit is not being fed, its hungry more MORE of God. Milk for babies, steak for the truly hungry. And I am always hungry for more......
The greatest is a servant to all

I didn't say I wasn't fat and filled and fed sir

But our work was
To feed HIS LAMBS

And the pure milk of the WORD of GOD is what properly feeds a baby

That and pointing the baby lamb to THE SHEPHERD

That the baby too may come to HIM and grow in their knowledge of their SAVIOR AND LORD
 
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I see a parallel with preaching style and parenting style. Some preachers, like some parents, want to emphasize the positive aspects. God is love/your father loves you. Those parents tend to explain the whys and wherefores of the rules they set. God gives us commands not because He is on a power trip, but because He knows what's best for us. We obey Him out of love and trust, not because we're afraid of being roasted for eternity if we don't.

Others want to emphasize hellfire and brimstone, rather like the parent whose go-to response is "Do what I tell you, because I said so, or I'll whip your behind." Children do need to learn obedience, and we all do need to obey God, but it depends on what you're focusing on as the motivation. I believe we do need to be aware of hell, just as children need to be aware of the possibility of punishment for disobedience, but I think a reminder now and then should be all that's necessary. The primary message should be that God is a loving Parent who, like earthly parents, has reasons for His rules.
 
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Totally agree !!
I fear for those that are at "crossroads" they are leading their children and the next generation. Who will stand in the gap and stand for the whole truth? I just dont see much if any exsist anymore. What will happen in the last days, when all those that had their ears tickled look around in dismay wondering whats happening??? Little is given little is expected, but for those that teach and know the word of God are held to a higher standard, i have great fear for them, for they are picking and choosing certain parts and not the whole. Look at the peoples blood that will be upon their hands......

Hi solomons porch,

Yes, there is that reality among the body of those who call themselves believers of the truth of God. But, none of this is unexpected to God. All we need do is to read the letters to the churches in the Revelation and know that this phenomenon had started fairly shortly after Jesus' ascension and his sending the first apostles to establish the 'church'.

But, faith in God, true saving faith, is a personal issue. Look to Elijah. Here was a man who believed that he was living as the only one who was living a life true to God throughout all of Israel. The examples of disobedience given in the Scriptures always go from reasonably good to frightfully bad.

Adam and Eve began with true faith and God actually spoke to them. Move out a few generations and sin was so rampant that God said that all the thoughts and desires of man were wicked. Noah and his family started over with an understanding and reverence of God. Move out a few generations and men began building a great tower on the plain of Shinar that was displeasing to God. Then God began with Abraham to raise up a nation. Abraham was a righteous man who believed God. But, move out a few generations to when God came to deliver them, and most of them didn't even know God. He worked to make Himself known among them through the many miracles He performed in freeing them from their captivity. Then God began with the Israelites in the desert. He spoke to them and gave them His law and decrees. Move out a few generations and Israel became pretty much as wicked as the rest of the world. They demanded a king so that they could be like the rest of the world. Throughout the history of those kings they built altars to false gods and did many wicked things such as that.

God sent them prophets and one after the other, without fail, every prophet spoke of Israel's wickedness before God. Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel. Each one of them preached of the wickedness that had become Israel. The faithlessness of the people for their God. Daniel prayed for Israel. Asking God to forgive them their many sins.

Then God sent His Son. The one to tell us the truth of His Father. The one who was to bring not only Israel under the grace and mercy of God, but the whole gentile nations as well. Through Jesus and the ministry of the first apostles, God sought to send the message of His love and truth out into all the world, but Jesus said of this work, "Few there be that will find it."

Yes, at the end, throughout all the generations that have lived in the so far 6,000 year history of the creation, the number of saints will be many. But, in each generation, the number of faithful will be few. Just as in Elijah's day the nation of Israel likely numbered several million people. However, God only counted 5,000 who had not bowed the knee to Baal. So, when we get to the end, the number that will be granted eternal life with God may be in the millions, but I'm confident that the ones outside the city will be counted as a great multiple of billions. Based on what the new covenant Scriptures seem to teach, as we move outward from Jesus' day throughout the generations, there will be fewer and fewer of each generation. The Scriptures tell us that in the end, every nation on the earth will rise up against God.

It's going to get a lot worse and yes, it is something to be sad and fearful of, but it is going to be. Our peace and our joy individually as a child of the one true and living God is to live in obedience to Him despite how the rest of the world lives. It can be a lonely existence here on this earth. Just as Elijah felt all alone and persecuted by his own people, I think Jesus taught that it will be the same for us. Our own enemies being our familial loved ones. It is explained to us that the world will hate us because we are not like them. We are even encouraged to count such hate and persecution as joy because it is a very sign to us that we are living as we are supposed to be.

Now, many among the fellowships believe that this hate and persecution is only to come from those outside the fellowships. Many among the fellowships are uncomfortable living under this hate and persecution and, therefore, strive to create a life that allows them, according to their own understanding, to live a life with one foot on either side of the chasm. Yes, we are to show love and have compassion for those who are lost to God, but we are not to live as they live, or believe as they believe.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted
 
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You said the fear of hell had many people running to the altar... Well, it doesn't do that anymore, and, even if it did, I don't think that's the kind or quality of people God is looking for in this age...

I think he wants quality over quantity now... I'm reminded of Gideon and his men, and how they were "thinned out" first telling all who were afraid to "go home" and not join the fight, then those not wise during a time of warfare, not being ever ready even while getting a drink, sending those ones home also... Leaving the fearless and wise left as a part of the army that would fight the battles...

God Bless!
 
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Does a pastor shepherd the flocks. Does he have. Personal interest in each of his parishioners. Does he take an active part in the life of the flock sharing and knowing them personally

He gives a sermon and leaves the sheep alone to figure things out for themselves

What if these babies don't understand

What if instead of faith in CHRIST's finished work they set out to amass tobthemselves numbers of good works because of their fear in hell rather than in their love of their LORD?

When the season of trial comes what will they do?

If they didn't begin in what they should have begun in who is to say they will

REMAIN IN HIM
 
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Hi solomons porch,

Yes, there is that reality among the body of those who call themselves believers of the truth of God. But, none of this is unexpected to God. All we need do is to read the letters to the churches in the Revelation and know that this phenomenon had started fairly shortly after Jesus' ascension and his sending the first apostles to establish the 'church'.

But, faith in God, true saving faith, is a personal issue. Look to Elijah. Here was a man who believed that he was living as the only one who was living a life true to God throughout all of Israel. The examples of disobedience given in the Scriptures always go from reasonably good to frightfully bad.

Adam and Eve began with true faith and God actually spoke to them. Move out a few generations and sin was so rampant that God said that all the thoughts and desires of man were wicked. Noah and his family started over with an understanding and reverence of God. Move out a few generations and men began building a great tower on the plain of Shinar that was displeasing to God. Then God began with Abraham to raise up a nation. Abraham was a righteous man who believed God. But, move out a few generations to when God came to deliver them, and most of them didn't even know God. He worked to make Himself known among them through the many miracles He performed in freeing them from their captivity. Then God began with the Israelites in the desert. He spoke to them and gave them His law and decrees. Move out a few generations and Israel became pretty much as wicked as the rest of the world. They demanded a king so that they could be like the rest of the world. Throughout the history of those kings they built altars to false gods and did many wicked things such as that.

God sent them prophets and one after the other, without fail, every prophet spoke of Israel's wickedness before God. Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel. Each one of them preached of the wickedness that had become Israel. The faithlessness of the people for their God. Daniel prayed for Israel. Asking God to forgive them their many sins.

Then God sent His Son. The one to tell us the truth of His Father. The one who was to bring not only Israel under the grace and mercy of God, but the whole gentile nations as well. Through Jesus and the ministry of the first apostles, God sought to send the message of His love and truth out into all the world, but Jesus said of this work, "Few there be that will find it."

Yes, at the end, throughout all the generations that have lived in the so far 6,000 year history of the creation, the number of saints will be many. But, in each generation, the number of faithful will be few. Just as in Elijah's day the nation of Israel likely numbered several million people. However, God only counted 5,000 who had not bowed the knee to Baal. So, when we get to the end, the number that will be granted eternal life with God may be in the millions, but I'm confident that the ones outside the city will be counted as a great multiple of billions. Based on what the new covenant Scriptures seem to teach, as we move outward from Jesus' day throughout the generations, there will be fewer and fewer of each generation. The Scriptures tell us that in the end, every nation on the earth will rise up against God.

It's going to get a lot worse and yes, it is something to be sad and fearful of, but it is going to be. Our peace and our joy individually as a child of the one true and living God is to live in obedience to Him despite how the rest of the world lives. It can be a lonely existence here on this earth. Just as Elijah felt all alone and persecuted by his own people, I think Jesus taught that it will be the same for us. Our own enemies being our familial loved ones. It is explained to us that the world will hate us because we are not like them. We are even encouraged to count such hate and persecution as joy because it is a very sign to us that we are living as we are supposed to be.

Now, many among the fellowships believe that this hate and persecution is only to come from those outside the fellowships. Many among the fellowships are uncomfortable living under this hate and persecution and, therefore, strive to create a life that allows them, according to their own understanding, to live a life with one foot on either side of the chasm. Yes, we are to show love and have compassion for those who are lost to God, but we are not to live as they live, or believe as they believe.

And none of these want to be reminded that their final lot is damnation.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted
 
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The greatest is a servant to all

I didn't say I wasn't fat and filled and fed sir

But our work was
To feed HIS LAMBS

And the pure milk of the WORD of GOD is what properly feeds a baby

That and pointing the baby lamb to THE SHEPHERD
Sweeheart I am a ma'am....I wasnt arguing with you, nor speaking of a fat or skinny issue. In fact i do not disagree with you at all. Love never fails....and when you are older (im speaking for me only as to not offend) you desire a meatier substance, because you have left wanting the milk and now desire more substance. You have grown teeth to chew. Not gums to suck. The Holy Spirit is what drives me to want more of my loving Father, I want to hear His voice and abide with Him always.....and to abide with Him many times means "deep" waters. I love the milk, i never leave the milk for that is what fed me in the beginning, i always return to the milk now and then, never leaving it. But I desire to feed on more than just milk now. Again, i do not disagree at all.
 
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Does a pastor shepherd the flocks. Does he have. Personal interest in each of his parishioners. Does he take an active part in the life of the flock sharing and knowing them personally

He gives a sermon and leaves the sheep alone to figure things out for themselves

What if these babies don't understand

What if instead of faith in CHRIST's finished work they set out to amass tobthemselves numbers of good works because of their fear in hell rather than in their love of their LORD?

When the season of trial comes what will they do?

If they didn't begin in what they should have begun in who is to say they will

REMAIN IN HIM
My apologies on the last post. My internet service is acting up and somehow the two posts got mixed with each other. My apologies :bow:
 
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YES very true.
But when you are mature, grown up, or growing older in Christ. You begin to seek (almost starve) for more of HIM. Which is when you no longer want the things of a babe, you want the things of an adult nature. Why sit and listen to the same thing over and over and over again. Thats when you look over and see people sleeping in church, they already heard it, they already know it, they are bored. Their soul and spirit is not being stirred, so they go to sleep, wake up and so oh well sunday morning, lets get dressed up real pretty, go do the same old same old, i sit down after the 2 hymns, take a good ole nap while the preacher does his thing, and hurry up and finish because its almost 12 and i gotta go home and eat. Im just saying it has become routine. Milk is for babies and yes, give them milk because thats what they need. But one day that milk will get boring because their spirit is not being fed, its hungry more MORE of God. Milk for babies, steak for the truly hungry. And I am always hungry for more......
Then wake up
They are there to worship and to thank GOD for HIS GREAT GLORY and GOODNESS that HE has made it possible for us to come and adore and worship at HIS TABLE
 
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Here lately I have wondered why I do not hear ANY sermons preached on hell. I grew up Pentecostal and all those years I would hear preaching on hell fire, repent and give your life to Christ. Many times I saw the Holy Spirit convict people during these sermons and they would practically run to the altar. It seems here lately and has been happening for years now that preachers no longer preach on this matter. Why has everything turned into a pretty package, tickle your ears service?? Why have we strayed away from this? The preacher used to pour out his heart to the congregation, pleading the case of Jesus to turn from the wickedness of this world for there is a heaven and there is a hell, choose today who you will serve, repent for the time is drawing near. What happened to this teaching and preaching, it seems it has all but vanished?


Because many churches are filled with hireling preachers that are in it for the money and career. Just curious what fellowship do you belong to?
 
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I always laugh when I have to explain this one.....i was brought up Pentecostal. I am really non denominational, reason being that I love the charismatics (but sometimes they go overboard not all but some), I love the Pentecostal yet again they have done the same as others. I dont like to lable myself as a religion or denomination because I dont agree WITH ALL THEY DO.... so for the most part I have to take what I can and throw the other to the side. If I "had to choose"....I would go with either of the two above. Dont know if this makes sense to you, but thats about the way I feel concerning this matter. I am mutli cultural and accept all people and their ways, I do not like to limit the love of Christ and it seems that todays churches are doing such. UNLESS you preach pretty and the money is rolling in (sarcastically speaking). When people ask me what religion are you ??
I just look at them and say Im not.
Im in a relationship with Jesus Christ. Because thats what it is to me, a relationship. Did I answer that question lol ???:grinning:
 
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I agree, but this is a good question. I find that it is a problem not only in our Churches but in America itself. We are seeing a very immature generation, a generation who's number 1 concern is not to offend or be offended by anyone. The Church is trying to play to the safe zone generation. Where are the strong Christians? Where is the message of the gospel in its entirety? We MUST WAKE UP! I have fought Demons and struggled with sin. We are at WAR it is not all sunshine and roses, it is grit, it is pain, it is sorrow, and persevering against the world itself. I must call it what it is even if it hurts, or the enemy will win.

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
 
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I always laugh when I have to explain this one.....i was brought up Pentecostal. I am really non denominational, reason being that I love the charismatics (but sometimes they go overboard not all but some), I love the Pentecostal yet again they have done the same as others. I dont like to lable myself as a religion or denomination because I dont agree WITH ALL THEY DO.... so for the most part I have to take what I can and throw the other to the side. If I "had to choose"....I would go with either of the two above. Dont know if this makes sense to you, but thats about the way I feel concerning this matter. I am mutli cultural and accept all people and their ways, I do not like to limit the love of Christ and it seems that todays churches are doing such. UNLESS you preach pretty and the money is rolling in (sarcastically speaking). When people ask me what religion are you ??
I just look at them and say Im not.
Im in a relationship with Jesus Christ. Because thats what it is to me, a relationship. Did I answer that question lol ???:grinning:

Not really I asked what fellowship not denomination you are in. You clearly said you leaned toward Pentecostal. Fellowship - Assemblies of God - Praise Chapel, Calvary Chapel? Those are fellowships which are under the Pentecostal banner so to speak.

The reason I asked is because some are much more compromised than others. I am multi cultural too and I do not see what that has to do with our faith or sound doctrine. Yes many Pentecostals go over board, and there is down right carnal behavior in the appearance of hyper spirituality. The prosperity gospel has hijacked the Pentecostal movement in many regards and the fact you do not hear good ole fashion preaching that leads to repentance is because many of these so called pastors are really hirelings..........the fact you only hear milk ridden messages is because that is what the pastor is drinking milk...not meat...hence the 15 minutes dedicated to tithe message in every meeting and every other sermon seemingly having to do with tithe tithing or running over, pressed down and shaken together.
 
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Here lately I have wondered why I do not hear ANY sermons preached on hell. I grew up Pentecostal and all those years I would hear preaching on hell fire, repent and give your life to Christ. Many times I saw the Holy Spirit convict people during these sermons and they would practically run to the altar. It seems here lately and has been happening for years now that preachers no longer preach on this matter. Why has everything turned into a pretty package, tickle your ears service?? Why have we strayed away from this? The preacher used to pour out his heart to the congregation, pleading the case of Jesus to turn from the wickedness of this world for there is a heaven and there is a hell, choose today who you will serve, repent for the time is drawing near. What happened to this teaching and preaching, it seems it has all but vanished?

My pastor still preaches sin and repentance every Sunday.
 
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