Does God Feel Like Me?

RaymondG said:

The bible says exactly what you believe it says. The only way for someone besides you to be right is for them to agree with you. otherwise or they are wrong. There is no point discussing anything with you.

Good luck to you on your journey to heaven.

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Such words does not help your case that what you say is in any way true. In other words, please do not be smart with your words, but explain the Scriptures I provided to you in a loving and respectful manner.


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ToBeLoved said:

You were comparing salvation to a gift of a car or house.

WHAT I SAID IS 'a person can save money and purchase a car or a house' BUT NO ONE CAN EARN OR GET salvation without Christ's gift themselves.

If you want to conversate, you will need to read what I said and not come up with your own theory.

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Again, you did not do nothing when you accepted Christ.
Accepting Christ is an action.


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ToBeLoved said:

Jesus purposely spoke in parables so He could finish His ministry.

I preach the gospel.

What are you now about. So rude.

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I did not say anything rude. I was merely giving you a truth that you did not like. I am saying that parables are a part of the New Testament. Jesus made many parables to compare the real world with spiritual truths. As I said before, this is something you cannot do with Eternal Security. For if Eternal Security was true, you would think that a parable could be made out of it to support it. But such a thing is not possible.


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Jason0047 said:

James 4:4 and Luke 19:27.


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Luke 19:27 is referring to the time of the Judgement seat of God and those who did not claim Christ as their Sovereign remain enemies of God and in this case always were enemies of God and doomed to everlasting destruction.
I haven't been following carefully, but I beleive ToBeLoved asked you for citations involving "believers" being considered enemies of God, not incalcitrant unbelievers.
Here's another way Scripture explains our relationship with God:
Romans 5:6-11:
You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

There are other such passages I'm sure, but I believe...from what little I know of your arguments...you are misunderstanding them and applying them inappropriately.

We all stumble and some walk around in darkness for a time and God who alone knows the heart of all mankind knows when you have deliberately chosen a wrong path by giving in to temptation...become an enemy towards God.

throughfireytrial said:

Luke 19:27 is referring to the time of the Judgement seat of God and those who did not claim Christ as their Sovereign remain enemies of God and in this case always were enemies of God and doomed to everlasting destruction.
I haven't been following carefully, but I beleive ToBeLoved asked you for citations involving "believers" being considered enemies of God, not incalcitrant unbelievers.
Here's another way Scripture explains our relationship with God:
Romans 5:6-11:
You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

There are other such passages I'm sure, but I believe...from what little I know of your arguments...you are misunderstanding them and applying them inappropriately.

We all stumble and some walk around in darkness for a time and God who alone knows the heart of all mankind knows when you have deliberately chosen a wrong path by giving in to temptation...become an enemy towards God.

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I am not in disagreement that Luke 19:27 is taking place at the Judgment. The Parable in Luke 19:11-27 (called the Parable of the 10 servants or the 10 Minas) is similar to the Parable of the Talents in Matthew 25:14-30. They are both showing the truth of Titus 1:16. They deny God by their lack of works (i.e. the good work of the Lord done thru the believer; Meaning, the Lord did not live within them).

Oh, and yes, Jesus will judge everyone for their sins at the Judgment. But some professing believers had ended up working sin or iniquity and they did not do what Jesus said. For in Matthew 7:23, Jesus says,

“And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”;

And in Matthew 7:26-27, Jesus says,

“And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.”

Luke 6:46, Jesus says, "why do you call me Lord, Lord and do not the things I say?"

“The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will remove from his Kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. And the angels will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 13:41-42 NLT).

Please take note that Jesus will send His angels to remove from HIS KINGDOM anyone that sins or does evil and they will be cast into the furnace of fire.

As for your negative assessment of my arguments: Well, such a judgement is without any merit or weight if you do not provide Scripture to explain the points I brought up in the Word of God, my friend.


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Jason0047 said:

There is no "my righteousness." Please get that thinking out of your head because I do not believe there is such a thing as my righteousness. I believe Christ and or God does the good work thru the believer (See Philippians 1:11, Philippians 2:13). If I talk of holiness, it is the Lord's holiness working in the believer. Also, holiness of the church is the reason why Christ gave Himself for us (Please carefully read Titus 2:14 and Ephesians 5:25-27).



Insults are not becoming of the saints. But I thank you for the insult and I will rejoice in God my Savior for it.



Faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17).
Jesus says we must be born again of water (John 3:5).
Being born again of water means that you are born again by the Word of God. For Jesus cleanses us with the washing of the "water of the Word" (See Ephesians 5:25-27).

"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe." (1 Thessalonians 2:13).

"When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side." (Matthew 13:19).

"He that is of God heareth God's words." (John 8:47).

"But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you." (1 Peter 1:25).

Also, I am not sure you understand where you are. You are on a Christian forum. This means that you are going to run into Christians who believe in the Word of God. So please do not insult us in how we are following an ancient text (that you no doubt think is outdated). If you disagree with the Bible in some way, it is probably best you find a psychology forum or something instead. God's Word does not support psychology. Nor does God's Word support the idea that you can reject it in some way (or pick and choose which parts you like or don't like).



First, the "least of these" is in reference to the hungry, thirsty, the sick, the stranger, and those who are in prison. It is in reference to those who are poor and in need (See Matthew 25:31-45). It is not talking about somebody refusing to give up their sins. If you believe otherwise, then you need to show me that according to the context. Granted, believers can and do help other believers to help them in overcoming their sin (James 5:16) (Galatians 6:2). But "believers who struggle with sin" are not the "least of these." Second, overcoming sin (in general) is not something man can do on his own power alone. It is ultimately Jesus Christ who can help a person not to fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

"But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof." (Romans 13:14).

For there is nothing that can tranform or changes lives more than Jesus Christ; That is why God's people preach the good news of Jesus Christ so as to be saved by Him. For Jesus has fixed up broken homes (or familes). Jesus has drawn the alcoholic away from the bottle. Jesus has helped the gambler to put down his cards and walk away from the game. Jesus has helped the drug addict from the power of the needle. Jesus has helped the harlot from being a slave to sexual sin and money. For Jesus Christ changes lives. Jesus changed my life and He continues to change lives today (Making them new creations in His image).

"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
(2 Corinthians 5:17).



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So you don't know the difference between the word "rightness" and "righteousness." Then you launch into a straw man argument. Or several, actually. You make presumptions and insults about me and "psychology" but think I am the one being insulting? So weird. I am not insulting you, but I am attacking and insulting your ideas on a Christian Forum in a thread that is open to Non-Nicene ideas. Oh wait a minute. This is the game that some people play here -- they make everything all personal and then the thread gets shut down. Ok. Fine.

Jason0047 said:

Again, you did not do nothing when you accepted Christ.
Accepting Christ is an action.


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What does that have to do with the fact that we could not earn or buy our way to heaven.

You compared the gift of salvation to getting a gift of a car or a house. Then saying that the gift comes with strings.

What I said is that you can not compare something that we could never get for ourselves to something we could get for ourselves like a car.

Now you have gone off in another direction with this.

How can someone get to heaven without Christ having given us the gift of His shed blood?

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I am saying that parables are a part of the New Testament. Jesus made many parables to compare the real world with spiritual truths. As I said before, this is something you cannot do with Eternal Security. For if Eternal Security was true, you would think that a parable could be made out of it to support it. But such a thing is not possible.


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Unlike you, I know that parables are very difficult and Jesus was able to teach perfectly with them. I am not so arrogant that I think I can use parables perfectly like Christ and so far I've never seen you use them well either.

Jesus had to speak in parables or they would have killed Him much earlier. So yes parables are in the New Testament almost always in JESUS teaching, for a reason.

You don't understand that for a parable to be true all of the parts have to be true and have meaning. You just like to pretend you are like Christ.

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So you are proposing that believers stop preaching the gospel and that they stop contending for the faith with God's Word (Whereby disagreement is going to take place)? You would prefer God's people to be silent with God's Word towards others? That is what Mr. Hyperspace is suggesting here. He does not want there to be anyone telling him that he is wrong. But if people are not believing the gospel or following Jesus and they are in sin, then they are in the wrong. They need to be told to repent and accept the Lord. There is no shame in this. To declare Jesus and His salvation (in how He can clean up your life) is why we are here. Also, Mr. Hyperspace believes that certain sins like fornication, prostitution, drug use, and witchcraft are not necessarily sins. I sure hope you do not think like that, too.


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wait, wait, wait, when/where did you read from my post that i propose and prefer such things?!, i don't try to destroy even a smallest part of the tradition coming from the true Lord God and His (true) Saints/Prophets, i am its follower, in my previous post i just said that there has been a wrong tradition in some sects

Blessings

PastorFreud said:

So you don't know the difference between the word "rightness" and "righteousness." Then you launch into a straw man argument. Or several, actually. You make presumptions and insults about me and "psychology" but think I am the one being insulting? So weird. I am not insulting you, but I am attacking and insulting your ideas on a Christian Forum in a thread that is open to Non-Nicene ideas. Oh wait a minute. This is the game that some people play here -- they make everything all personal and then the thread gets shut down. Ok. Fine.

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We are on a website where the Bible is regarded as the Word of God. If you want to talk Bible, then let's talk about the Bible because this is a Christian forum. If you are here to talk about psychology or to insult me and or others, there are other forums for that. So if you want to continue on down the road as you are, then by all means. Just know I will not stand for spiritual ideas that are outside of Scripture. I say, know where you are at. If I went to a psychology forum, I could not complain that people are entirely dedicated to psychology at that forum because that is what that forum is about. Christians are Christians because of the Bible (i.e. they heard and received the gospel message from the Holy Scriptures). For faith comes by hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). Most Christians believe all of the Bible is true. So you have to learn to deal with that if you are going to talk here.


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toLiJC said:

wait, wait, wait, when/where did you read from my post that i propose and prefer such things?!, i don't try to destroy even a smallest part of the tradition coming from the true Lord God and His (true) Saints/Prophets, i am its follower, in my previous post i just said that there has been a wrong tradition in some sects

Blessings

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The point that the Original Poster made was that he wants everyone to shut up. He is tired of people arguing. But this is what is going to happen if we Christians preach the Word of God. Argument and debate is going to happen as a result. He doesn't want there to be any arguing because he is tired of hearing it. He is tired of hearing the Word of God convicting him of what he knows to be wrong. For Mr. Hyperspace believes that fornication, prostitution, witchcraft, and drug use are not even sins to God. I have a problem with that because the Bible strongly condemns these things as being sins.


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ToBeLoved said:

What does that have to do with the fact that we could not earn or buy our way to heaven.

You compared the gift of salvation to getting a gift of a car or a house. Then saying that the gift comes with strings.

What I said is that you can not compare something that we could never get for ourselves to something we could get for ourselves like a car.

Now you have gone off in another direction with this.

How can someone get to heaven without Christ having given us the gift of His shed blood?

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First, you are still ignoring that you took action to accept Christ. Yes, your action to accept Christ does not mean you earned your way to receive salvation initially (When you asked Jesus to forgive you of your sins and when you believe that He died on the cross for your sins and that He had risen three days later on your behalf). But you still had to take action to receive the gift. Granted, again, this is not to say that you are earning salvation. But you did have to respond and take action to receive Jesus Christ.

Second, whether a good gift is a spouse from God, a free house, or a free car, or a free paid education, they come with strings attached (responsibilities). Are you striving to earn a spouse, a free car, a free house, a free paid education if you did things to keep them? No. In other words, to say that gifts do not come with responsibilities in this life is to ignore the real world around you. This is important to understand because Jesus illustrated spiritual truth by way of real world examples (i.e. parables). Even the Canaanite woman had expounded upon Jesus's parable with a parable (i.e. real world example) of her own and Jesus commended her faith because of it. So this means that we can make comparisons between the real world and spiritual truth, too. This is the problem you are going to run into when you try to make a parable out of Eternal Security. Such a thing is not possible.

As for the shed blood of Christ: Yes, a person can be cleansed by the blood of Christ when they first receive Jesus and have an assurance of their salvation. However, the Scriptures also say, "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:7). Meaning, we have to continue in allowing the Lord to do the good work thru our lives in order to remain in Him and the salvation that He brings. This is not of my own doing, but it is Christ doing the good work in me. If I abide in Christ, good fruit and not bad fruit will follow. While you may agree that the natural working of Christ is to lead people to live a more holy life, the problem is that you do not think they will overcome their sin and just live a holy life. The problem is that the message you bring can lead people to do the wrong thing if you do not properly explain yourself. For I say to say to a person their future sins are forgiven them (and do not say they must live a holy life for that to be true), then I am giving them a license to sin. Also, does not a believer have free will? According to my understanding of your belief, I do not think you believe free will exists anymore for a believer in relation to their salvation. This is a problem because it means that God is forcing His love upon us (When that is not what God does). A one time decision does not determine your future decisons. People can change their minds; And God is not into making love robots. People have to choose every day the Lord. For the Scriptures say, "choose you this day whom ye will serve." (Joshua 24:15).


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ToBeLoved said:

Unlike you, I know that parables are very difficult and Jesus was able to teach perfectly with them. I am not so arrogant that I think I can use parables perfectly like Christ and so far I've never seen you use them well either.

Jesus had to speak in parables or they would have killed Him much earlier. So yes parables are in the New Testament almost always in JESUS teaching, for a reason.

You don't understand that for a parable to be true all of the parts have to be true and have meaning. You just like to pretend you are like Christ.

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Insults are not becoming of the saints and they do not help to prove your side of the debate as being true but it only helps to hinder your case as being correct.

As for the difficulty of understanding Jesus's parables:

Well, Jesus says,
"...Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given." (Matthew 13:11).

In other words, believers should not have any difficulty in understanding Christ's parables because the Spirit guides them into all truth when they study God's Word to show themselves approved unto God (John 16:13) (2 Timothy 2:15). For Christ gave Himself for us so as to sanctify us by the Word of God so as to make us live holy and to be without blemish (Ephesians 5:25-27. cf. John 17:17) (Titus 2:14).

Grace and peace be unto you.


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Jason0047 said:

We are on a website where the Bible is regarded as the Word of God. If you want to talk Bible, then let's talk about the Bible because this is a Christian forum. If you are here to talk about psychology or to insult me and or others, there are other forums for that. So if you want to continue on down the road as you are, then by all means. Just know I will not stand for spiritual ideas that are outside of Scripture. I say, know where you are at. If I went to a psychology forum, I could not complain that people are entirely dedicated to psychology at that forum because that is what that forum is about. Christians are Christians because of the Bible (i.e. they heard and received the gospel message from the Holy Scriptures). For faith comes by hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). Most Christians believe all of the Bible is true. So you have to learn to deal with that if you are going to talk here.

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Please show me where I am promoting Psychology. You have insulted yourself with your baseless assertions, straw men, and so forth. Bible is good, but God doesn't expect us to read it with our brains disengaged.

Deadworm said:

. . . In other words, God ultimately has no absolute standard of judgment, but will judge us by the standard we apply to others.

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I was right there with you until this erroneous interpretation. God does have absolute standards. To infer from this passage that sin and its consequences are somehow relative is an error.
Our attitude of condemnation however is definitely not acceptable. I think that must be what you're speaking of.

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The point that the Original Poster made was that he wants everyone to shut up. He is tired of people arguing. But this is what is going to happen if we Christians preach the Word of God. Argument and debate is going to happen as a result. He doesn't want there to be any arguing because he is tired of hearing it. He is tired of hearing the Word of God convicting him of what he knows to be wrong. For Mr. Hyperspace believes that fornication, prostitution, witchcraft, and drug use are not even sins to God. I have a problem with that because the Bible strongly condemns these things as being sins.

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on the one hand you are right that if the God's Word has to be preached, then that has to be done, and we have to honor it, on the other hand we should not indulge/support things such as strife, quarreling, discord or other suchlike things that are in favor of the "darkness", however, peaceful conversations/dialogs are not objectionable/forbidden/prohibited on the part of God

witchcraft is certainly a sin, prostitution is debatable, because there have been people turning out to be victims of prostitution rather than causers/authors of a crime; fornication is also debatable, because the biblical version of this word chiefly means spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness from the perspective of gaining something(whatever it may be) at the expense of some neighbor/cohabitant(whoever he or she may be) (according to the spiritual terms/concepts of biblical scripture, which are special and different from what has been presented in the hitherto prevailing dictionaries and encyclopedias of the world), a very typical example of the use of this biblical concept/term is 1 Corinthians 6; as for drug use, here we can also debate, because the drugs are not unclean of themselves, but spiritual wickedness/iniquity is the cause of the problems accompanying drug use, and there have been devilish spirits causing these problems, of course drug use is strongly inadvisable, because there has not been a general resolution to the problem what should be done, it is good that people be warned about this danger (unfortunately some young addicts already died almost in my arms, poor children!)

Blessings

toLiJC said:

. . . prostitution is debatable, because there have been people turning out to be victims of prostitution rather than causers/authors of a crime;

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That is a nice dodge of the issue. Creating an image of the coerced is a good technique, but there are two involved- in the run of the mill situation.

fornication is also debatable, because the biblical version of this word chiefly means spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness from the perspective of gaining something(whatever it may be) at the expense of some neighbor/cohabitant(whoever he or she may be) (according to the spiritual terms/concepts of biblical scripture, which are special and different from what has been presented in the hitherto prevailing dictionaries and encyclopedias of the world), a very typical example of the use of this biblical concept/term is 1 Corinthians 6;

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The folks in the first century understood this term quite clearly. What's with this wave of revisionist etymology? [Where is Hayakawa when we need him? That's Sam Hayakawa of Univ of San Francisco fame. The guy who stood up to the SDS about their reinterpretation of "freedom of speach"] A word means what its users agree it means.[my paraphrase] We're starting to tickle our ears with lies.
Sorry if this sounds confrontational but IMO there is entirely too much pseudo scholarship floating around these days.

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That is a nice dodge of the issue. Creating an image of the coerced is a good technique, but there are two involved- in the run of the mill situation.

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yes, following the "truth" that is according to what most people have seen, heard and thought is very popular (Isaiah 11:3), but seeking the true answer(s) to question(s) such as what is the cause of causes is not so systematized (worldwide), there is "darkness" and its system has caused a lot of problems and troubles to many people, both involved and uninvolved, for example God forbid a little daughter, graduate of a most exemplary christian school, is made to think that sex is a most paradisaical thing and kind of imperceptibly becomes a prostitute as if in jest - unfortunately there were such cases indeed and parents of such girls were very surprised/could not believe it after having known about it, what caused such things to happen?!, there has been a system of spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness and, as a result, a concentration of satanic/devilish forces(spirits) that can drive a person to do unclean things, which is why Jesus and His true disciples had cast (the) devilish spirits out of every person that was affected/possessed by them(the devils)...

marawuti said:

The folks in the first century understood this term quite clearly. What's with this wave of revisionist etymology? [Where is Hayakawa when we need him? That's Sam Hayakawa of Univ of San Francisco fame. The guy who stood up to the SDS about their reinterpretation of "freedom of speach"] A word means what its users agree it means.[my paraphrase] We're starting to tickle our ears with lies.
Sorry if this sounds confrontational but IMO there is entirely too much pseudo scholarship floating around these days.

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there is a true explanation, which unfortunately has not been known to/by the majority of humans (2 Peter 3:15-16), many worshipers read and interpreted/understood scripture according to what they knew from the world (1 John 4:5), only the Few have understood holy scripture right and even completely, the biblical scripture is spiritual books about (the) spiritual things, there is no sexology, cookery, architecture/construction, "old women" traditions, etc. therein, but there is a true explanation about phenomena therein, which is most essential for resolution of the problems as a whole, which is why the very fornication is mainly the occultism as a practice, and it is generally the spiritual/religious activity that is in satan, the beast and the other beast mentioned in Revelation 12-13, which is why there is an absolute parallel between what is written in 1 Corinthians 6 and what is written in Revelation 17-18 where there is speech of harlot("babylon") as if having sex with the so-called "beast" and being one body with him as well as with a multitude of people concerned, she is precisely the aforementioned system of spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness/wickedness, and that is why her name is "mystery" i.e. occult(ism)/esoteric(ism)

1 Corinthians 6:15-20 "Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."

a person can, God forbid, turn out to be involved in unrighteous spiritual/religious activity if they are not careful enough not to follow what is uncertain/unproven enough to them in this regard, and if they become followers/worshipers of such a religion, then they can thus be one body/flesh with it, IOW, with that "harlot", which also means one spirit with her

unclean sex is just one of the secondary results of the activity of the system of "beastly" spirituality/religiosity, albeit the first one in most cases, remember how the first secondary result of the spiritual/religious unrighteousness/lawlessness of eve and adam was precisely the fact that they began to perceive sex as shameful/unclean/sinful, as if it was unclean of itself (Romans 14:14-20), which is why St Paul says that such a thing that is created by (the true) God can be perceived as unclean only by such persons that perceive it as unclean, i.e. either by spiritual/religious violators/law-breakers or by people somehow concerned at least as victims of the system of spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness, as this is also explained in Romans 5:12-14 and Revelation 17-18:

Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression",

Revelation 17:1-2 "I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.",

Revelation 18:2-3 "Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies."

but it is more possible that great worshipers/clerics of the system of human(666) spirituality/religiosity find themselves perceiving things as adam and eve began to perceive sex and other creations of God as unclean of themselves than other people...

so, to rebuke people for having sex is (as it were) an "old women"/worldly tradition rather than a tradition of the true God and the true Saints (Colossians 2:20-23), because it is (even obviously) not effective for resolution of the problem (and oddly enough, those who have been supposedly seeing as if have not noticed this fact - John 9:41), however, it would be better that people be informed/warned about the hidden danger of devilish sexual impact/influence, because this is one of the ways they could keep themselves from it, but the general resolution to the problems is the spiritual one that is presented in the biblical scriptures of the New Testament, and first of all, it is the exorcism through prayer and fasting (Mark 9:29)...

Blessings

John Hyperspace said:

This is what Christianity sounds like to me:

"I know what the bible means!" "You are a false teacher!" "Holy holy holy like me!" "Sinner!" "Jesus will kill you!" "That's not Jesus!" "I know what He means when He says that!" "Heresy!" "You are a cult!" "I am the perfection!" "God said it!" "He did not mean it that way!" "You reject the bible!" "You will perish in flame!" "Trust me I know!" "You know nothing!" "Cult!" "That is not the right way!" "Heresy!" "What I say is obviously the bible!" "Sinners will burn!" "Love God!" "Fear Him!" "Hope!" "Vanity!" "My church is truth!" "False!" "You don't know Christ!" "False teacher!" "I am right you are wrong!" "The bible says it!" "It doesn't mean that!" "I am certainty!" "Cult!" "God will save!" "Not without help!" "Heretic!" "Blasphemer!" "Seven swords shall cut you sevenfold!" "Praise Him!" "That is not praise!" "Blasphemy!" "Jesus used the KJV!" "Cult!" "You will burn!" "Believe what I say or Jesus will flay you!" "Jesus is love!" "Love is hate!" "Blasphemy!" "Fear is love!" "Cult!" "We are the light!" "You are darkness!" "Unbelievers have no reason to be confused!" "Heresy!" "What?" "He who questions me questions God!" "Cult!" "You dare challenge me?!" "Hellfire!" "It is simple!" "Heretic!"

Which makes me sometimes I feel like this:

Anyone else?

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I was looking for a post regarding etiquette on how to cordially disagree with other posters when I found your post.
This is what I'd call constructive criticism that is useful to remind all posters what they might "sound" like in their posts, when they might not be aware of how they present themselves.
I think that it's safe to say that we all need

toLiJC said:

on the one hand you are right that if the God's Word has to be preached, then that has to be done, and we have to honor it, on the other hand we should not indulge/support things such as strife, quarreling, discord or other suchlike things that are in favor of the "darkness", however, peaceful conversations/dialogs are not objectionable/forbidden/prohibited on the part of God

witchcraft is certainly a sin, prostitution is debatable, because there have been people turning out to be victims of prostitution rather than causers/authors of a crime; fornication is also debatable, because the biblical version of this word chiefly means spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness from the perspective of gaining something(whatever it may be) at the expense of some neighbor/cohabitant(whoever he or she may be) (according to the spiritual terms/concepts of biblical scripture, which are special and different from what has been presented in the hitherto prevailing dictionaries and encyclopedias of the world), a very typical example of the use of this biblical concept/term is 1 Corinthians 6; as for drug use, here we can also debate, because the drugs are not unclean of themselves, but spiritual wickedness/iniquity is the cause of the problems accompanying drug use, and there have been devilish spirits causing these problems, of course drug use is strongly inadvisable, because there has not been a general resolution to the problem what should be done, it is good that people be warned about this danger (unfortunately some young addicts already died almost in my arms, poor children!)

Blessings

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I do agree that we cannot put up with those who seek to cause strife or discord, but this would be the type of talk that is poisonous and hurtful and leads to sin and not righteousness. But we also have to recognize that believers do have the right to rebuke other believers by the Word of God so as to correct them. This is so as to lead them into the path of righteousness and to overcome sin. We have to be aware of the difference between the two and not condemn the preaching of God's Word that can lead men to repent of their evil beliefs and sins.

As for your belief that fornication and prostitution are not serious sins: This would be like saying murdering innocent children is not wrong. First, your moral compass should tell you these things are wrong. Second, God's Word clearly condemns these things. I should not even have to list the verses for you to tell you that these sins are condemned in the Bible and that they will have dire consequences for one's soul after they die (if they do not repent of such sins). Just research at least 5-10 articles on fornication and prostitution from Christians and pray about it before you read the verses. But to let you know, I am speechless at your not knowing that such things are not serious sins. From my life experience and walk with the Lord, it is crazy to not understand something so basic.


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