There is not one you, or one world or universe, but there are many... Heaven... where we go...?

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The Luciferian Rebellion:

The one major topic that has dominated theomatics research over the past decade, has involved the fall of Lucifer and the angels from heaven, and how all of that connects to the fall of Adam in the Garden of Eden. There is a massive and humungous picture behind that entire event that will explain all of the Bible and the major reason why this world exists. This, Lord willing, will be the topic of our next book ~ The Luciferian Rebellion.

As human's we are born into this world. We grow up, we marry, we breed and produce more humans. We work hard all of our lives, only to look forward to retirement, buying a motor home, and then dying. This cycle has been going on for centuries. What is the meaning behind it?

Then we look at all the problems and suffering in the world, and we ask ourselves, "If there is a God, why does He allow such depravity?"

When our child gets sick and dies, we ask again, "What is the meaning?"

When our marriage ends in divorce and our lives are shattered, "What is the meaning to that? Why do bad things happen to seemingly good people?"

What theomatics is beginning to reveal, is the manner in which all of us are connected to the original rebellion that took place prior in heaven. Theomatics is beginning to reveal that BIG PICTURE of why God Himself became a man, was born into this world, and died on a cross in order to save us from our sins.

It is only because of Adam's fall that this world exists, not the other way around. Theomatics explains why all of us are born sinners. It all ties into the angelic rebellion that took place prior in heaven.
How so...? I would like to know more about this...? Do you have any good links delving into this...? Would like to know more...?

Much thanks (if you do) (or even if you don't)...

God Bless!
 
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There is a scene in the Matrix where Morphius asks Neo if he wants to choose the red pill or the blue pill.
You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up

and belive...whatever you want to believe. You take the red

pill.....you stay in wonderland...and I show you just how

deep the rabbit hole goes.

Morphius says to Neo,
Remember...all I'm offering you is the truth : nothing

more.

Angelfall.com

This website is a bit like that red pill. It is backed up by exhaustive amounts of data and research....

Long story short..... it shows that the war in heaven found in Revelations is the actual rebellion of angles which is a spiritual battle that resulted in the defeated angles literally cast down to the earth.... and that the fall of mankind thematically is telling the same story but here physically on earth.

In short, what theomatics is saying is that we, every man, woman and child who was or will be born are here because we rebelled against the Almighty in the Revelations 12 Rebellion.

This is of course going to be met with ridicule and skepticism. I get that. However, for those of you who are willing to look at it, you will likely come away shaken because of the sheer volume of data and the mathematical improbabilities of these numeric clusters being random is well, mathematically impossible.

One last thought: Like apples of gold in settings of silver Is a word spoken in right circumstances.

The setting of silver is referenced often in various commentaries to be a basket or a bowl.... So the first thing you notice is the silver basket or bowl. It is not until you are close up and look into the basket that you see the apples of gold.

The plain meaning of scripture are the silver basket and the worlds wisely spoken in right circumstance...

The apples of gold are the hidden meaning which can only be seen when close examination is undertaken.

P'[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] (pronounced peh-shaht' - meaning "simple") plain meaning
Remez (pronounced reh-mez' - meaning "hint") implied

D’rash (pronounced deh-rahsh' also called "Midrash," meaning "concept")
Sud (pronounced either sawd, or sood [like "wood"] - meaning "hidden")
 
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How so...? I would like to know more about this...? Do you have any good links delving into this...? Would like to know more...?

Much thanks (if you do) (or even if you don't)...

God Bless!
Angelfall

There are HUNDREDS of pages of research on this.... it is exhaustive and at times gets a bit technical (math)
 
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I see different meanings when i read these verses. But I respect your opinion on them....and I also believed closer to what you believe in the the pass as well.

Progress as been made. Look forward to reasoning with you on the next subject/Thread.
Raymond, may I frankly say, I despise your condescending attitude? There is no progress being made, you remain smug and self conceited. Either you are a dupe in foolishness or a wolf in sheep's clothing. As for the OP his very forum name, Neo - Gaia, means New Goddess of the Earth which is extremely New Age. You continue to defend a doctrine of hogwash which will ultimately lead people astray. This is not a case of iron sharpening iron, but pointing out the wolves.

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

The topic is a doctrine of devils, and you are a defender of demonic doctrine. Shame on you, Raymond. I see you as a complete fool and nothing more.
 
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Raymond, may I frankly say, I despise your condescending attitude? There is no progress being made, you remain smug and self conceited. Either you are a dupe in foolishness or a wolf in sheep's clothing. As for the OP his very forum name, Neo - Gaia, means New Goddess of the Earth which is extremely New Age. You continue to defend a doctrine of hogwash which will ultimately lead people astray. This is not a case of iron sharpening iron, but pointing out the wolves.

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

The topic is a doctrine of devils, and you are a defender of demonic doctrine. Shame on you, Raymond. I see you as a complete fool and nothing more.

I have no condescension in me, therefore i was not able to recognize it in my comments. I did not say you were wrong or the OP was right, or vise versa. Nor did I say what my veiws on the subject was. I only advised against dismissing views because they are different from our own. I recognized the fact that you wont see a side other than your own, so i was trying to end the pointless dialogue. There is nothing wrong with you believing what you believe or dismissing anyone elses views. I repent from all my comments to you and will learn from my mistakes. May God bless you on your journey to heaven.
 
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I have no condescension in me, therefore i was not able to recognize it in my comments. I did not say you were wrong or the OP was right, or vise versa. Nor did I say what my veiws on the subject was. I only advised against dismissing views because they are different from our own. I recognized the fact that you wont see a side other than your own, so i was trying to end the pointless dialogue. There is nothing wrong with you believing what you believe or dismissing anyone elses views. I repent from all my comments to you and will learn from my mistakes. May God bless you on your journey to heaven.
You think not, but what you can't see in yourself others see. And yes, this conversation is as pointless as the thread itself. I have no further interest in it.
 
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There is a scene in the Matrix where Morphius asks Neo if he wants to choose the red pill or the blue pill.
You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up

and belive...whatever you want to believe. You take the red

pill.....you stay in wonderland...and I show you just how

deep the rabbit hole goes.

Morphius says to Neo,
Remember...all I'm offering you is the truth : nothing

more.

Angelfall.com

This website is a bit like that red pill. It is backed up by exhaustive amounts of data and research....

Long story short..... it shows that the war in heaven found in Revelations is the actual rebellion of angles which is a spiritual battle that resulted in the defeated angles literally cast down to the earth.... and that the fall of mankind thematically is telling the same story but here physically on earth.

In short, what theomatics is saying is that we, every man, woman and child who was or will be born are here because we rebelled against the Almighty in the Revelations 12 Rebellion.

This is of course going to be met with ridicule and skepticism. I get that. However, for those of you who are willing to look at it, you will likely come away shaken because of the sheer volume of data and the mathematical improbabilities of these numeric clusters being random is well, mathematically impossible.

One last thought: Like apples of gold in settings of silver Is a word spoken in right circumstances.

The setting of silver is referenced often in various commentaries to be a basket or a bowl.... So the first thing you notice is the silver basket or bowl. It is not until you are close up and look into the basket that you see the apples of gold.

The plain meaning of scripture are the silver basket and the worlds wisely spoken in right circumstance...

The apples of gold are the hidden meaning which can only be seen when close examination is undertaken.

P'[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] (pronounced peh-shaht' - meaning "simple") plain meaning
Remez (pronounced reh-mez' - meaning "hint") implied

D’rash (pronounced deh-rahsh' also called "Midrash," meaning "concept")
Sud (pronounced either sawd, or sood [like "wood"] - meaning "hidden")
I believe we are basically all guilty of the same kind of sin as the Devil (Satan) initially and at the start at least... The only difference is that we chose to humble ourselves and accept the truth of the gospel and Jesus into our hearts and follow him as our Lord and Savior and his primary authority and leadership in our lives...

Or, Basically saying "we" got "saved"... But, "him" (Satan) or "they", (those like him that did not, nor will do this), are not, or will not, be "saved"... Because they reject him (J.C.), and we do not...

Satan and those like him, stand, and may continue to stand, as an "example" what "not to do" when confronted with God in our lives...

God Bless!
 
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There are HUNDREDS of pages of research on this.... it is exhaustive and at times gets a bit technical (math)
I always worry when human beings write pages and pages and books and books about something that we are just not given a lot of information about. What is that called? Taking a subject and running off with it.


I would pray that all Christians would realize that we are here for a reason and God has laid it out in the Bible. God created creation that has free will. With free will is the freedom to choose the bad or negative as well as the positive or good.

More speculation than facts I would say and that is usually bad in my book.

Most very confused Christians that I have met have started going down a road like this with little information and much speculation. I did it myself many years ago, about 15-20 yrs ago with Cayce, Near-Death experiences and Nostradamous. If you are thinking you will find answers you probably will not, but you will have many more questions before it is over.

My advice. Stay away from it. No good can come from it. Do God's work which is loving god annd loving others. That will help you see who God is when you do what He does.
 
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I always worry when human beings write pages and pages and books and books about something that we are just not given a lot of information about. What is that called? Taking a subject and running off with it.


I would pray that all Christians would realize that we are here for a reason and God has laid it out in the Bible. God created creation that has free will. With free will is the freedom to choose the bad or negative as well as the positive or good.

More speculation than facts I would say and that is usually bad in my book.

Most very confused Christians that I have met have started going down a road like this with little information and much speculation. I did it myself many years ago, about 15-20 yrs ago with Cayce, Near-Death experiences and Nostradamous. If you are thinking you will find answers you probably will not, but you will have many more questions before it is over.

My advice. Stay away from it. No good can come from it. Do God's work which is loving god annd loving others. That will help you see who God is when you do what He does.


ROLF.... love it when someone hasn't researched the subject yet feels utterly qualified to pin on about something they dont have the first clue about which they are talking...
 
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ROLF.... love it when someone hasn't researched the subject yet feels utterly qualified to pin on about something they dont have the first clue about which they are talking...
Then show me I'm wrong?

You recommended an entire book on Satan rebellion, truth is there isn't that much information about it.

Sorry you didn't know that but I'm sure the book makes stuff up as it goes along.

You came back with no evidence. So lol' if right back at ya!
 
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Then show me I'm wrong?

You recommended an entire book on Satan rebellion, truth is there isn't that much information about it.

Sorry you didn't know that but I'm sure the book makes stuff up as it goes along.

You came back with no evidence. So lol' if right back at ya!

Nope.... not what its about but since you DIDN'T read it I will excuse your presumption. Its about OUR rebellion but again, since you haven't even bothered to research it, Im not surprised that you take the stance you take.
 
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Your thinking is utter hogwash influenced by the imagination of string theory and parallel universes. There is nothing biblical in what you have said, nor any evidence supporting your thinking.
Well, actually; I believe the, "instrument of ten strings," in Psalms 33:2, Psalms 92:3 & Psalms 144:9 with the ten times the phrase, "from the beginning," occurs in the OT after Proverbs 8:31; is regarding super-string, or, M Theory.
 
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I believe a story of Paul's revelation, may be found in the four times the word, "dispensation," is used in the KJV NT. The first, in 1 Corinthians 9:17 KJV, may introduce the KJV Bible with, "a dispensation [of the gospel]". A description of our Universe may be found in Ephesians 1:10. Ephesians 3:2-3 is realization of this fourth day dispensation and in Colossians 1:25, Paul does the work when he, "wrote afore in few words."

I am beginning to suspect some hidden format here with the four times "dispensation," occurs in the KJV Bible, and, the three times the phrase, "from the beginning," occurs prior to the book of Psalms, in the KJV Bible.
 
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I believe we are basically all guilty of the same kind of sin as the Devil (Satan) initially and at the start at least... The only difference is that we chose to humble ourselves and accept the truth of the gospel and Jesus into our hearts and follow him as our Lord and Savior and his primary authority and leadership in our lives...

Or, Basically saying "we" got "saved"... But, "him" (Satan) or "they", (those like him that did not, nor will do this), are not, or will not, be "saved"... Because they reject him (J.C.), and we do not...

Satan and those like him, stand, and may continue to stand, as an "example" what "not to do" when confronted with God in our lives...

God Bless!


It actually is worse than that..... WE are those angels spoken of in Revelations.... WE rebelled and made war with Michael and his angles and were cast out of heaven... 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Then we find the seemingly strangest thing said in the very next verse.....
10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
11 They triumphed over him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much.

WE also see in Rev 12:4 the following 4 And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth.

Ever wonder why mankind is BORN with a rebellious nature? Ever wonder why the message of salvation is so difficult to hear and receive? Does it not look like the deck is sort of stacked against mankind?

The problem with looking at the Garden alone is that it seems like G-d is setting up mankind to fail and then when he does fall that he makes the path to redemption nearly impossible.... does that on the surface line up with an ALL LOVING, MERCIFUL G-D?

It does if you take into account that when we knew who G-d was we chose to rebel. In his unfathomable mercy he made a way whereby we could be redeemed. Instead of merely destroying us, he gave us a way back. THAT is all loving, all merciful.....
 
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I saw in a vision, a city of light inside gates and walls that seemed to go on forever in one direction... Outside the gates and walls there were like vines that seemed to go on forever in other direction. A man who luminescent was I believe to be Christ was with me. He did not use spoken words to speak to me, but more like thoughts in my mind the second I would wonder about a thing, look at him, and he would wave his hand in one direction or other and speak thoughts to and in mind...

The vines that seemed to go on forever had round spheres on them where fruit should have been on them, and the second I wondered, I was answered with the fact that each sphere, seemingly innumerable, was someones reality or world or simulated universe, each with a person who had died's consciousness...

The city I was told was heavenly Jerusalem, with those who were angels inside... I was told they get and harvest energy from the spheres, which were glowing and multicolor flashing things...

I woke up or came out of half awake half asleep trance before I could know anything more...

My wife (ex-wife now) when she went into a coma, had a vision of something similar, yet not the same, that had the same kind of concept or idea, of simulated realities for each individual in here dream/vision while she was in a a coma, that she told me about, when she came out of it...

God Bless!
Test every spirit my brother, YahWeh Bless you
 
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