Feminism and Why Adventism Needs It

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"Like Christianity (or even Adventism), feminism is not a static entity, composed of people who think exactly alike and who all move in the same direction. Nor should it be—if it were, it would not be able to do the thing it aims to do: work toward equal rights for all people, regardless of their gender. In fact, the illusion of unity—unity of one group or even of the whole human race—was one of the problems feminism had to overcome along the way."

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God created them man and women with specific function to perform in life.
SDA follow the Bible teaching. Not all SDA agree on the scriptures teaching. that is why there is dissent in the Church. The source of this article is of the small dissenting side.

Ubuntu said:

the illusion of unity—...was one of the problems feminism had to overcome along the way."

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I think it is safe to say that this has been their mission in recent decades.

That article starts with "In August of last year, U.S. president Barack Obama published an article on feminism in the fashion magazine Glamour. Identifying himself as a feminist,"

oh no wait! -- that article is from Spectrum... ok well... .never mind.

Where in the Bible does it mention equality between men and women, temporally speaking? Seems to me that's Satan's siren call.

How do Adventists miss Genesis 3:16 ? Either God is true or He is a liar... we see what the Conference believes.

They need our prayers for their blatent apostasy that they might repent and be reconciled.

Original Happy Camper said:

God created them man and women with specific function to perform in life.

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Absolutely. But having a different function does NOT mean that there is an inequality. If you are building a house - is the plumber more important than the electrician? Or the HVAC installer? Our Lord is the "wise master builder" and parcels out the functions according to His will.

Feminism has cause men to become more like women. I dont think anyone should need this. Feminism is about choice, having a child a aborting a so-called wrong decision made. Feminism is about getting women to have a career and put their children (if they have any) into some child-care business. Feminism is about changing the roles which GOd has decided.

So be careful about using the word feminism.

IMHO women need proper men and they should be pretty well.

DaveW-Ohev said:

Absolutely. But having a different function does NOT mean that there is an inequality. If you are building a house - is the plumber more important than the electrician? Or the HVAC installer? Our Lord is the "wise master builder" and parcels out the functions according to His will.

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But there is a General Contractor who has the final word. IE the Boss which you left out.

All are not equal, please show me a female priest in the Bible, Hint there is not one.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

DaveW-Ohev said:

Absolutely. But having a different function does NOT mean that there is an inequality. If you are building a house - is the plumber more important than the electrician? Or the HVAC installer? Our Lord is the "wise master builder" and parcels out the functions according to His will.

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Men are not equal to women except in the fact that all are made in the image of God and are Loved of Him. Men are not equal to women... God entrusted child bearing and child rearing to the one He created with the attributes to do so. Just the same as men were given certain attributes to do things women can't. In this way, we are not equal.

God's WAY has always and will always be superior to man's way... in every way. Why are we so opposed to it?

Rebellious by sinful pride you could say.

Original Happy Camper said:

But there is a General Contractor who has the final word. IE the Boss which you left out.

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No I didn't. As I said:

Our Lord is the "wise master builder" and parcels out the functions according to His will.

EastCoastRemnant said:

God entrusted child bearing and child rearing to the one He created with the attributes to do so. Just the same as men were given certain attributes to do things women can't. In this way, we are not equal.

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So you are saying the plumber and the electrician are not equal?

I guess I don't understand what the op is getting at. Why does the church need a political movement? The love of God goes far beyond the political correctness of any political movement. Do we need more of the love of God in our hearts? Absolutely. Do we need a political movement to tell us how to treat people? About as much as we need another hole in our heads.

Yes, the church has a place in the state because the church is supposed to be in the world and the state is part of the world, but the political movements of the world have no business in the church because the world and the church consist of completely separate sets of principles that are opposed to each other. Jesus demonstrated that quite well with His life. He shot down the political aspirations that those who wished to have him be a political figure and kick the Romans out of the country. His kingdom is not of this world and when many people of His day figured that out they quit following Him. Why should we accept the principles of the world into the church when Jesus did not?

The principles of the world are at odds with God's principles. They always have been and always will be.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Why push something that the Bible excludes? In Christ there is neither male nor female, so what is the purpose of promoting something that pushes the importance of one gender or the other when gender does not exist in Christ?

BTW, Ubuntu, I like your user name. I'm a Debian fan myself. Been using it since around 2001 or 2002. Left Windows behind a long, long time ago.

Ubuntu said:

@Gary K I'm currently using Debian Stretch on my desktop.

To answer your objection, let's have a closer look at the verse you quoted: "there is neither slave nor free ... for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Now, I'm sure that we both agree that slavery is wrong, and that abolitionism was a cause worth championing? So, even if this verse states that there is no difference between slave and free, Christians should obviously still do every thing in their power to free those who are enslaved, right?

And the same thing applies when it comes to feminism. Yes, males and females are one in Christ, but we should still support societal equality for males and females. We shouldn't accept that women get less pay for doing the exact same job as a man, or that females (or males) are discriminated due to their gender.

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I replied to you a day or so after the above post by you, but my reply was deleted by the powers that be as it no longer exists. I do not see any point in posting it again as it would be same reply and thus be deleted once again.