Should Messianic Jews support Jerusalem Third Temple?

DennisTate · Feb 18, 2017

miknik5 said:
I have nothing more to say

Let each man seek to know HIM for themselves

Let them do what he townspeople in John 4 did when they heard the testimony if the woman st the well

Ask HIM to come in and "eat/fellowship" with them so that they might learn of HIM from HIM

Them they will turn to the one who gave their personal testimony and say

We no longer believe ny your word but we have heard Him for ourselves and we believe that this is THE CHRIST, the savior of the world

Well said....
but if one Christian has a method that leads to
thousand, tens of thousands and hundreds of thousand of people
giving their lives to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.....
the rest of us might just be able to learn something from how they are doing that......

and if an unbeliever friend or family member of ours asks about that case......

we should study the scriptures like the Bereans did so that our explanation for that case.....
fits with the teachings of Paul
2 Corinthians 12:2
2 Corinthians 12:3
2 Corinthians 12:4

I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

such an one caught up to the third heaven.

And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

miknik5 · Feb 18, 2017

How then is it that you didn't understand 1 Corinthians 3?

No man can know the spirit of another man

Yet you assumed and implied that you knew my spirit?

Fear?
Offense?

Why would I be afraid or offended?

Know yourself sir alone
And speak only about who you are and what you do
And in That understand nothing is hidden from HIM

miknik5 · Feb 18, 2017

DennisTate said:
Well said....
but if one Christian has a method that leads to
thousand, tens of thousands and hundreds of thousand of people
giving their lives to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.....
the rest of us might just be able to learn something from how they are doing that......

and if an unbeliever friend or family member of ours asks about that case......

we should study the scriptures like the Bereans did so that our explanation for that case.....
fits with the teachings of Paul
2 Corinthians 12:2
2 Corinthians 12:3
2 Corinthians 12:4

I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

If I'm
Going to boast I will boast only in THE LORD

Yet the people drove him to it

miknik5 · Feb 18, 2017

And how, ny the way, did you hear of HIM?

How can we add to THE GOOD NEWS to make it more...,attractive?

The scriptures say
They hated HIM
without a cause

If I tell people what I went through though I understand now why, will it make men come to CHRIST because of LOVE of HIM and the unfathomable GIFT of GOD's GRACE and MERCY that GOD in HIS LOVE for HIS disobedient children who were ever and always going astray did not withhold HIS SON, but gave HIM so that what was separated from HIM might be brought near and reconciled to HIM through THE BLOOD of THE LAMB who washes away the sins of the world

visionary · Feb 18, 2017

gadar perets said:
Are you referring to Romans 11:25? If so, I believe that it refers to a predetermined number of Gentile converts coming into the faith (being grafted into the natural olive tree).

Nothing but our own walk predetermines anything

dfw69 · Feb 18, 2017

miknik5 said:
Everyone was born a gentile until.....circumcision

And none could celebrate the Passover until they were circumcised

Yes and to be circumcised is to deny Yahshua and enter the old covenant to worship in the temple and await their messiah if he has not arrived....no thanks Yahshua says wait on him and keep the faith we don't need the temple nor should we support and participate in its services.... I would think messianics would agree with me but I'm finding it hard to believe they feel it nessarry to worship in a temple

miknik5 · Feb 18, 2017

dfw69 said:
Yes and to be circumcised is to deny Yahshua and enter the old covenant to worship in the temple and await their messiah if he has not arrived....no thanks Yahshua says wait on him and keep the faith we don't need the temple nor should we support and participate in its services.... I would think messianics would agree with me but I'm finding it hard to believe they feel it nessarry to worship in a temple

Not speaking of physical circumcision

Circumcision that GOD pointed to was never outward

It was the inward cut to the heart covenant mark made by the HAND of GOD upon the inward fleshly tablets of the heart

That NEW COVENANT mark which is in and only in HIS BLOOD

miknik5 · Feb 18, 2017

dfw69 said:
Yes and to be circumcised is to deny Yahshua and enter the old covenant to worship in the temple and await their messiah if he has not arrived....no thanks Yahshua says wait on him and keep the faith we don't need the temple nor should we support and participate in its services.... I would think messianics would agree with me but I'm finding it hard to believe they feel it nessarry to worship in a temple

And that was the whole point of this thread Messianic Jews should NOT be encouraging the Jews to build a temple

dfw69 · Feb 18, 2017

miknik5 said:
I don't believe during the time that the temple stands there will be a Christian there either asking to have a part in the temple worship or warning their Jewish older brothers not to have a part in the temple worship

Some already did their warnings prior to it being built and were killed for it

Really?... so Christians would not be permitted near the temple grounds? Punishment of death?

What about messianics who wish to worship at the temple, though they are circumcised yet believe in Yeshua do you feel Jews will allow them to worship?

miknik5 · Feb 18, 2017

dfw69 said:
Really?... so Christians would not be permitted near the temple grounds? Punishment of death?

What about messianics who wish to worship at the temple, though they are circumcised yet believe in Yeshua do you feel Jews will allow them to worship?

I believe they'll be dead sir

Yes
Really

miknik5 · Feb 18, 2017

dfw69 said:
Really?... so Christians would not be permitted near the temple grounds? Punishment of death?

What about messianics who wish to worship at the temple, though they are circumcised yet believe in Yeshua do you feel Jews will allow them to worship?

Ah
What are you bringing to the altar?

miknik5 · Feb 18, 2017

When Christ said a time will come when they will worship neither on the mountain or in Jerusalem what did you think HE meant

Or tear down this temple and I will build it up in three days

dfw69 · Feb 18, 2017

miknik5 said:
I believe they'll be dead sir

Yes
Really

Explain this more please.... you believe when the temple is erected not one Christian will be alive and all of them killed? By what? What causes the death of millions of Christians?

miknik5 · Feb 18, 2017

dfw69 said:
Explain this more please.... you believe when the temple is erected not one Christian will be alive and all of them killed? By what? What causes the death of millions of Christians?

I believe sir that Christians will be preaching the unnecessary need for the temple and the man of sin won't like it

miknik5 · Feb 18, 2017

And the ridiculous "violent men of the covenant" (as mentioned in Daniel) won't understand and will make manifest by what they do and allow that they don't understand nor do they know their GOD

dfw69 · Feb 18, 2017

miknik5 said:
When Christ said a time will come when they will worship neither on the mountain or in Jerusalem what did you think HE meant

He prophecy the destruction of the temple and for 2000 years man has worshiped the father wherever they are living

Or tear down this temple and I will build it up in three days

Referring to the body of Christ

dfw69 · Feb 18, 2017

miknik5 said:
I believe sir that Christians will be preaching the unnecessary need for the temple and the man of sin won't like it

One man can do nothing without his adherents ,so you believe the man of sin will lead an army against christianity all for the sake of building a temple?

miknik5 · Feb 18, 2017

dfw69 said:
One man can do nothing without his followings ,so you believe the man of sin will lead an army against christianity all for the sake of building a temple?

What did you think the covenant he would make would be?
The man of sin will have the help from the Jews themselves who will think themselves in service to GOD.. uprooting their enemy

Clearly showing that by what they do they themselves are misrepresenting The SPIRIT of the ONE they claim to belong to

Not by power or by might sayeth the LORD

But by MY SPIRIT

Some don't know of whose SPIRIT they truly are of

But it will in the end be made manifest those who knew their GOD from those who didn't

dfw69 · Feb 18, 2017

miknik5 said:
What did you think the covenant he would make would be?

Honestly I'm not sure

miknik5 · Feb 18, 2017

dfw69 said:
Honestly I'm not sure

What did the king of Persia and the king of Medes allow the Jewish people to do?

Build the temple

After 3 and a half years what did you think the man of sin will do?

Should Messianic Jews support Jerusalem Third Temple?

Should Messianic Jews and Messianic Gentile support Jerusalem Third Temple?

Yes..... we must believe in every word of Ezekiel 40 - 48.

No... Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is our sacrifice.

I am not certain about this yet... I will research this further.

Yes.. but the timing must be perfect and both 2030 and 2070 could be the year?

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