Fornication

Goodbook said:

Again dave you dont understand what its like for a woman.
Yes a pastor may go to a brothel to preach the gospel but a woman will not go unless shes going to witness to the women there if she goes alone its likely shes going to be picked up by the men.

Do you not comprende?

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Isnt it more proper to have the women help the women?

Goodbook said:

Well Timothy did say flee youthful lusts and book of Acts does have for new christians ABSTAIN from fornication.

That was one of the rules and there werent a whole pile for christians to follow but that one was REALLY IMPORTANT. So important that Jesus in the book of Revelation admonished some of the seven churches that he was gonna kill seductive Jezebels children with death if they continued with it.

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Is Jezebel the devil?

Goodbook said:

When David went to Bathesheba the 'love' child of their adultery did not survive. I think there is a risk to all those conceived by fornication unless they are converted and turn to the Lord, of death.

I see it in the way those who are children of fornicators, go astray in a way legitimate children are less prone to. When Paul talks about how some women are saved in childbearing, its like God preserves those in order to care for the children who have no say in what their parents did. To bear a child is a huge thing and often the only way a woman can experience what love is, from their baby esp of their partner just dumped them.

But the men who impreganted the women dont get off easily on judgemnt day if theyve neglected their offspring.

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Should children always be considered a blessing from God?

In God's design, children are to be born to two adults committed to each other in a loving marriage.

When it comes to the worth of a baby, the manner in which she was conceived is not a factor.

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Superhero Sam said:

Isnt it more proper to have the women help the women?

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If ya got no business there ya got no business (God's) being there. Like going to a pub, going to evangelize is one thing but be watchful not to get pulled into the fire.

Goodbook said:

Again dave you dont understand what its like for a woman.

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I thought you were talking for everyone - not just women.

DaveW-Ohev said:

I thought you were talking for everyone - not just women.

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I'm confused. What are you two arguing about?

Goodbook said:

When David went to Bathesheba the 'love' child of their adultery did not survive. I think there is a risk to all those conceived by fornication unless they are converted and turn to the Lord, of death.

I see it in the way those who are children of fornicators, go astray in a way legitimate children are less prone to. When Paul talks about how some women are saved in childbearing, its like God preserves those in order to care for the children who have no say in what their parents did. To bear a child is a huge thing and often the only way a woman can experience what love is, from their baby esp if their partner just dumped them.

But the men who impreganted the women dont get off easily on judgemnt day if theyve neglected their offspring.

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Do you agree with these comments?

Brothers and Sisters, Unwed Pregnancy Is Not a Sin

A pre-born child is indeed a precious and glorious reminder of the Imago Dei, regardless of how he/she is conceived, but the ACT of conception does indeed matter along with the contextualization of how a female has become pregnant; and not all of these "pregnancies" and/or "conceptions" should be celebrated.

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This article is disturbing. It is not true and should be taken down.

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Goodbook said:

How do you rid yourself of fornicators/unclean spirits of lust etc.

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Some monks think of rotten smelly corpses when they get sinful thoughts.

Don't do it too much since your functions will cease to work in the long run.

DaveW-Ohev said:

Who said it does? Unless you are saying a guy is the girlfriend ...

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Then why do people say the word friendgirl? What's the purpose of it? It's a confusin word. I don't logically understand how order of a word changes its meaning.

Superhero Sam said:

Then why do people say the word friendgirl?

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Before that post, I have NEVER heard that term used.

DaveW-Ohev said:

Before that post, I have NEVER heard that term used.

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Does it sound hipster y to you?

I heard it from my mom.

Superhero Sam said:

Then why do people say the word friendgirl? What's the purpose of it? It's a confusin word. I don't logically understand how order of a word changes its meaning.

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I'm not sure where you've got the term 'friendgirl' from- I'm pretty sure that's not a word! I've never used it or heard anyone else use it in my life.

People don't just reverse words to change meanings, Sam.

Apologies if I'm being a bit condescending here- but it does seem as if you've got a few connotations muddled up (and, yes, with kindness, I do think you may be reading too much into words)

Does this help.....

The word relationship simply describes interaction with others, I have relationships within my family and with friends, with work colleagues, etc. They can be friendly or simply professional.
For example- 'His relationship with his father was a very good one' or 'My relationship with the girl in the office is rather strained'.
I could give a long list of people with whom I have a platonic relationship!

The term 'in a relationship' (as seen very commonly in forums online and places like Facebook, etc as well as day to day life) means that that person is in an exclusively involved in a romantic way with someone else. that's why it appears in the 'marital status' bit, as it indicates where you are on the ladder, so to speak. Goodbook has given it a different meaning in her status, but anyone reading 'in a relationship' would know that it meant that person was 'spoken for'.

The term being 'in a relationship' doesn't have any sexual meaning. It just means that two people are exclusively romantically involved. It COULD be a 'sexual relationship' but just as easily not.
People might assume that a couple in a relationship are sexually active but that would be because society often expects that these days- and NOT because the term means that.

Does that make sense?

For example- I met my husband 3 years before we got married. The moment we started dating, we were in a relationship. we were romantically involved - (ie, the 'in love' aspect)
We were NOT sexually active. We waited until our wedding night. For three years we were 'in a relationship' and I would have been rather offended if someone had said we must have been sexually active because of the term 'in a relationship'.

As far as 'boyfriend' and 'girlfriend' go- generally when you see them written as one word, it's referring to someone 'in a relationship'. The words are never reversed to mean a friend of a specific gender.

'Girlfriend' is a little more tricky than 'boyfriend', I grant you.
'Boyfriend' is 'the guy someone is dating'. Male platonic friends tend to be referred to as simply guy friends or friends who are boys/ men/ guys/ whatever.

'Girlfriend' may need a little context. If a male is using the term 'my girlfriend' - it's the girl he's dating. He wouldn't use 'girlfriends' to mean female platonic friends.
If a woman uses the term 'girlfriend' it sometimes means female platonic friends. We don't tend to use it here in the UK. We'd just say 'my friends'! It seems to be mostly an American thing. Again- context.

What concerns me a little, Sam is when you refer to a male using 'girlfriend' in the 'dirty' way.

What on earth is 'dirty' about 'girlfriend'. I was a girlfriend before I was a fiancee or wife and I'd be very upset to have it implied that there was anything 'dirty' about me being so or that my then boyfriend was being 'dirty' when he referred to me as his girlfriend!

By 'dirty' do you mean 'sexual'?

If so:
firstly-the word 'girlfriend' doesn't mean anything sexual- no more than the term 'in a relationship'.
Secondly, I wonder why you seem to equate 'in a relationship', 'girlfriend', etc with being sexual
and thirdly- sex doesn't equate with 'dirty'.
Sex was God's idea- His gift to us as a pleasurable intimacy designed not just for procreation but as a bonding between husband and wife. Yes, people have misused God's gift (as they have every gift He's given) but it doesn't make sex itself 'dirty'.

Angelfrog said:

I'm not sure where you've got the term 'friendgirl' from- I'm pretty sure that's not a word! I've never used it or heard anyone else use it in my life.

People don't just reverse words to change meanings, Sam.

Apologies if I'm being a bit condescending here- but it does seem as if you've got a few connotations muddled up (and, yes, with kindness, I do think you may be reading too much into words)

Does this help.....

The word relationship simply describes interaction with others, I have relationships within my family and with friends, with work colleagues, etc. They can be friendly or simply professional.
For example- 'His relationship with his father was a very good one' or 'My relationship with the girl in the office is rather strained'.
I could give a long list of people with whom I have a platonic relationship!

The term 'in a relationship' (as seen very commonly in forums online and places like Facebook, etc as well as day to day life) means that that person is in an exclusively involved in a romantic way with someone else. that's why it appears in the 'marital status' bit, as it indicates where you are on the ladder, so to speak. Goodbook has given it a different meaning in her status, but anyone reading 'in a relationship' would know that it meant that person was 'spoken for'.

The term being 'in a relationship' doesn't have any sexual meaning. It just means that two people are exclusively romantically involved. It COULD be a 'sexual relationship' but just as easily not.
People might assume that a couple in a relationship are sexually active but that would be because society often expects that these days- and NOT because the term means that.

Does that make sense?

For example- I met my husband 3 years before we got married. The moment we started dating, we were in a relationship. we were romantically involved - (ie, the 'in love' aspect)
We were NOT sexually active. We waited until our wedding night. For three years we were 'in a relationship' and I would have been rather offended if someone had said we must have been sexually active because of the term 'in a relationship'.

As far as 'boyfriend' and 'girlfriend' go- generally when you see them written as one word, it's referring to someone 'in a relationship'. The words are never reversed to mean a friend of a specific gender.

'Girlfriend' is a little more tricky than 'boyfriend', I grant you.
'Boyfriend' is 'the guy someone is dating'. Male platonic friends tend to be referred to as simply guy friends or friends who are boys/ men/ guys/ whatever.

'Girlfriend' may need a little context. If a male is using the term 'my girlfriend' - it's the girl he's dating. He wouldn't use 'girlfriends' to mean female platonic friends.
If a woman uses the term 'girlfriend' it sometimes means female platonic friends. We don't tend to use it here in the UK. We'd just say 'my friends'! It seems to be mostly an American thing. Again- context.

What concerns me a little, Sam is when you refer to a male using 'girlfriend' in the 'dirty' way.

What on earth is 'dirty' about 'girlfriend'. I was a girlfriend before I was a fiancee or wife and I'd be very upset to have it implied that there was anything 'dirty' about me being so or that my then boyfriend was being 'dirty' when he referred to me as his girlfriend!

By 'dirty' do you mean 'sexual'?

If so:
firstly-the word 'girlfriend' doesn't mean anything sexual- no more than the term 'in a relationship'.
Secondly, I wonder why you seem to equate 'in a relationship', 'girlfriend', etc with being sexual
and thirdly- sex doesn't equate with 'dirty'.
Sex was God's idea- His gift to us as a pleasurable intimacy designed not just for procreation but as a bonding between husband and wife. Yes, people have misused God's gift (as they have every gift He's given) but it doesn't make sex itself 'dirty'.

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friendgirl - Wiktionary

This word is used to indicate that this female is simply a friend, and not a lover. It is sometimes used instead of girlfriend, as girlfriend usually suggests that the relationship is romantic.

1. (slang) a female friend.

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I used the other term loosely without knowing exact meaning. Is dirty a synonym for immoral?

Goodbook said:

Jesus had an interesting talk with the pharisees saying their father was the devil and they did the lusts their father did, even though they claimed 'we are not born of fornication! Our father is abraham!' But Jesus said they would love him and not seek to kill him if their father was really abraham.

I do recall though abraham did have ishmael via Hagar though, was that not through fornication?
Anyway the thing is they LUSTED, they did not LOVE.

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What was your view on the quotes from the article I posted?

Superhero Sam said:

Does it sound hipster y to you?
I heard it from my mom.

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no. I think she made it up.