How Did Formerly Holy Angels Become So Moronic?

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I mean, they like to role all over the floor while screaming when inside people.
Literally get inside of pigs and have them jump off cliffs.
Sadistically deprive other creatures of free will in the process.
Take course of action that will get them all killed by an almighty God.

All this imbecility from beings who witnessed the creation of the universe-have seen God face to face?


That's Weird!


RIDICULOUS! Do they go around acting like that in the spirit realm around each other?

Yikes!
 
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They are tormented beings acting out.
You read stories of tormented souls in hell doing similar things, like gnashing their teeth, weeping, etc...

Matthew 8:12

But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
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Matthew 13:42
and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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Matthew 13:50
and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
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Matthew 22:13
Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
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Matthew 24:51
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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Matthew 25:30
And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
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Mark 9:18
And wherever it seizes him, it throws him down; he foams at the mouth, gnashes his teeth, and becomes rigid. So I spoke to Your disciples, that they should cast it out, but they could not.”
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Luke 13:28
There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out.
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Acts 7:54
[ Stephen the Martyr ] When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth.
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They are tormented beings acting out.
You read stories of tormented souls in hell doing similar things, like gnashing their teeth, weeping, etc...

First, I don't believe that God created a special place where demons can eternally have fun pitchforking humans. So I guess we differ in opinions on that point.

Tormented? Tormented in what sense? They voluntarily chose a course of action which they deemed pleasant and logical-correct? What indeed did they expect? Surely it wasn't a victory over an almighty God. Perhaps a certain duration of time during which they could do as they sinfully pleased?

Such as:

1. Striving to mislead mankind away from God so many humans would perish with them.
2. Depriving humans and animals of free will via physical and mental possession.
3. Striving to contaminate mankind genetically during Noah's day?
4. Placing an angel scheduled for destruction [Satan] as their leader?

Such irrational decisions smack of a profound stupidity not expected from beings who were supposedly once above mankind both physically and intellectually and even above any other material creatures that one might encounter in our material universe. If indeed they are being accurately described, then they qualify as the laughingstock of creation and their insane antic's just adds to that reputation.
 
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But they are tormented now, they know God's judgement is coming for them. I think they are also somewhat gone insane. If you as a powerful spirit being knew nothing would change your final destiny, why not be filled with hate against the One that pronounced that judgement, so then God and Christ and any that are God's or anything God made.

They wont be using pitch forks or roasting people in hell, they are as powerless in hell as any that are destined to go there.
 
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But they are tormented now, they know God's judgement is coming for them. I think they are also somewhat gone insane. If you as a powerful spirit being knew nothing would change your final destiny, why not be filled with hate against the One that pronounced that judgement, so then God and Christ and any that are God's or anything God made.

They wont be using pitch forks or roasting people in hell, they are as powerless in hell as any that are destined to go there.
So all they have done since they joined Satan is gnash teeth and weep? They didn't seem to be gnashing teeth and weeping when they were having orgies with Earth women during Noah's day. They were having the times of their lives! Hard to gnash teef and weep when you are about to have congress with such beautiful Earth females I imagine. Well, maybe a gnashing of teeth and weeping for joy in anticipation? Some of us men are known to pantomime that way when under similar circumstances-you know?
 
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So all they have done since they joined Satan is gnash teeth and weep? They didn't seem to be gnashing teeth and weeping when they were having orgies with Earth women during Noah's day. They were having the times of their lives! Hard to gnash teef and weep when you are about to have congress with such beautiful Earth females I imagine.

There is pleasure in sin for a season, then comes judgement.
It has been many thousands of years since those early days for them. They were 'long in the tooth', well along that path by the time of Christ on earth.

Why do you suppose they fell with Satan at the beginning?
Why would a powerful spirit being do such a thing if they knew their end was to be fuel for God's fiery wrath? I don't think they knew their end at the beginning, only later did they comprehend this.
 
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There is pleasure in sin for a season, then comes judgement.
It has been many thousands of years since those early days for them. They were 'long in the tooth', well along that path by the time of Christ on earth.

Why do you suppose they fell with Satan at the beginning?
Why would a powerful spirit being do such a thing if they knew their end was to be fuel for God's fiery wrath? I don't think they knew their end at the beginning, only later did they comprehend this.

So God fully and responsibly informed mankind of the consequences of sin but kept his angels in the dark? That would be an injustice. Also, if sin brought death to humans, how in heaven's name can any rational creature conclude that he is an exception?

Also please keep in mind that when they joined Satan they were aware of the prophecy in Genesis 3:15 where the destruction of Satan is foretold. So they were indeed fully aware of the consequences of joining him in this rebellion.

Furthermore, if they were called sons of God they were made in his image and able to reason logically. Inability to not put two and two together in the way you describe would have made them unworthy of being called sons of God. Such an incapacity to reason is characteristic of animals and not creatures honored with the title of Sons of God.
 
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So God fully and responsibly informed mankind of the consequences of sin but kept his angels in the dark? That would be an injustice. Also, if sin brought death to humans, how in heaven's name can any rational creature conclude that he is an exception?

Also please keep in mind that when they joined Satan they were aware of the prophecy in Genesis 3:15 where the destruction of Satan is foretold. So they were indeed fully aware of the consequences of joining him in this rebellion.

Furthermore, if they were called sons of God they were made in his image and able to reason logically. Inability to not put two and two together in the way you describe would have made them unworthy of being called sons of God. Such an incapacity to reason is characteristic of animals and not creatures honored with the title of Sons of God.
I don't think Adam and Eve fully knew the consequence of their being disobedient to God either. I don't think either type of beings, human or angelic had seen evidence of God's wrath before they fell. To what experience could they compare it to, there was nothing in their experience about that.
 
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It reminds me of a question I asked myself one day - how did Israel see the plagues sent upon Egypt, and walk upon the dry land through the Red Sea ... and then make a golden calf and start worshipping that? How foolish can a person be!?!?

But I think it bears remembering, that obviously the seeds are there for anyone to be so foolish, and the best thing to take away from that is to take heed, lest we who think we stand, fall.
 
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I don't think Adam and Eve fully knew the consequence of their being disobedient to God either. I don't think either type of beings, human or angelic had seen evidence of God's wrath before they fell. To what experience could they compare it to, there was nothing in their experience about that.
Then that requires that God is morally irresponsible and a scheming sort of mischievous rascal. So I guess we disagree.
 
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Then that requires that God is morally irresponsible and a scheming sort of mischievous rascal. So I guess we disagree.
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Does God have to fill in 100% all the pesky details? Or does He just have to say 'NO' dont do that.

What being would if they had perfect knowledge of the future of the consequences of their disobedience be disobedient? The pleasures of sin today put off thoughts of future judgement? And there was at that time no actual death experience. We have no testimony of what God told the angels about them dying if they sinned, just Adam and Eve.

Human sinners today seem numb to the coming judgement of God. But fallen angels are fully aware of their future judgement as shown by the response of 'Legion' to Christ about tormenting them before the time.

In book of Enoch we read the fallen angels used Enoch to write a petition to God to forgive them of their sin, which God refused and told them most certainly they would not be forgiven.. and God spoke to them the punishment He would do to them. So to them, they thought their sins minor ones. You can read into the story their presumptuous arrogance regarding what they did with no thought of an eternal future judgement against them to last forever.
 
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