Is it unChristian to be supportive of Trump?

In all things, pray. In all things, weigh it against Scripture. Failing that, consult your Pastor for spiritual guidance so that he may reassure you or perhaps raise points if he sees issues with what you're doing or saying in response to certain things.

If a person is openly proclaiming a system of belief contrary to Scripture then they themselves need to question their beliefs, so I wouldn't worry about the naysayers.

Personally I'd question why I'm friends with them on Facebook if that was their attitude towards the authority of Scripture.

1 Corinthians 15:33 - Do not be deceived: "Bad company corrupts good morals."

Be wary of the company you keep.

I believe that turning away those in need is not the way of Christ. It is an act of fear springing from lack of faith in God for protection, and it is not right to turn the back on those in need. I believe it to be the opposite of the teachings of Christ.

Lybrah said:

But how do we know what Jesus would think of all of this? I am worried that I am the one who is wrong. Can you give some scripture verses that might help?

Click to expand...

Certainly.

First of all we must consider that Donald Trump, love or loathe him, is not in government by mistake. I am personally not a fan of him, his actions or his history at all, but I am a fan of Scripture and its authority. Romans 13:1-7 are excellent verses on this matter:

13 1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. 7 Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.

It is my belief that, whether to hold us up or to test us, this still holds true and that Trump is in a position ordained by God. This is obviously a difficult thing to reconcile with at times, but it does not make it any less relevant to current events.

Same-sex marriage isn't something that can be discussed here really, but it's mine and a great many others' belief that your friends' statements are wrong and Scripture is pretty black and white on the matter, so that you can read for yourself and pray on.

What would Jesus think? Scripture already tells us of the many and the few. The many will constantly seek to undermine, subvert and attack the fabric of authority in Scripture. Just because there's a majority doesn't make them right.

I believe Trump could not have won the election unless God had allowed it. But whether God allowed Trump to win the election for Americas good or not has yet to be seen.
Gods ways are not our ways.
A time is coming when Israel will stand alone, with no one to help her. Why?

As for trying to ban Muslims. It does not matter what leaders try to do, Islam is only going to get stronger, until the time of Zech chs12&14. And there is nothing anyone can do about it

I don't see anything wrong with wanting to maintain the Christian demographics of the United States. Why would any Christian want his religious group to shrink as a percentage of the population by bringing in millions of Muslim refugees who, by the way, probably won't ever return to Syria? Besides, rich Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia and the gulf Arab nations should do their part to help, but apparently only Western nations are supposed to do everything for the world. Go figure.

I don't have a problem with bringing in millions of Christian refugees from the Middle East. In fact, I want the West to help Christian Arabs, many of whom face religious persecution and even violence in their own countries. Why not allow them to immigrate to the United States instead of Muslim refugees?

Lybrah said:

." I feel like the bad guy

Click to expand...

Follow Jesus and yes you will be label as bad. You may have to change friends as they are not followers of Christ per your statements.

Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Lybrah said:

A lot of Facebook "friends" have told me I am a hypocrite for being for the travel ban. I know it is not a Muslim ban.

Click to expand...

As with most other political subjects these days, those brainwashed by the left generally have two responses, as they have no real substance.

You're stupid, or racist, sexist, or some other inane insult.

If that doesn't work, they will ignore you or try to shut you up.

Lybrah said:

A lot of Facebook "friends" have told me I am a hypocrite for being for the travel ban. I know it is not a Muslim ban. But all over FB we see memes and articles about how the Christian thing to do is to welcome refugees in, no questions asked, and if we want a better vetting process or a wall, we're bad Christians. One "friend" told me how disturbing it was that someone (myself) who professes to practice a religion of love, would be ignorant and intolerant.

Also, concerning abortion and gay marriage, I'm getting real tired of being told I am not a real Christian by people who don't even go to church or read the bible. I actually had a friend say, "If you don't think gays should get married, you're not a real Christian." I feel like the bad guy. Thoughts?

Click to expand...

What is happening now in America is the development of an underclass of people of illegal and quasi legal status, who may be exploited by the elites, often liberals, but conservatives as well, who benefit greatly from having millions of people to chose from in their labor pool.
I don't know how many verses in the Bible there are outlining correct immigration policy, but one would not have to look far to find Jesus speaking up from the ranks of the underclass of his own society.
As for gays getting married, or transgenders, etc. etc., I tend to see Christianity as the religion of yes much more than the religion of no. Christianity is supportive of our joy and our happiness and our peace of mind, and it does lay out a path on where such happiness lies.
We do know where the path of happiness is, but we do not know what other paths God has chosen for other people. We can only support what we know for sure is a path to joy, and there is no need to give moral support for people who we believe may be on a path to the futility of hell itself.
Nobody knows where this brave new world of same sex marriage is leading our society. For actual Christians though, there is a pretty good indication that this is not going to turn out well.
But Christianity is a religion of yes, in spite of all that. Christ has bought our freedom, and people are now free to make their own paths in life. You sound like a fair minded Christian to me, with no animosity to anyone. You can only evangelize what you know, and not what you don't know, what 2000 years of Christianity has warned against even.

Lybrah said:

A lot of Facebook "friends" have told me I am a hypocrite for being for the travel ban. I know it is not a Muslim ban. But all over FB we see memes and articles about how the Christian thing to do is to welcome refugees in, no questions asked, and if we want a better vetting process or a wall, we're bad Christians. One "friend" told me how disturbing it was that someone (myself) who professes to practice a religion of love, would be ignorant and intolerant.

Also, concerning abortion and gay marriage, I'm getting real tired of being told I am not a real Christian by people who don't even go to church or read the bible. I actually had a friend say, "If you don't think gays should get married, you're not a real Christian." I feel like the bad guy. Thoughts?

Click to expand...

Some people (I said some) have a hard time cobbling together a coherent argument so they draw pictures and write a simple sentence and pass it off as political speech.

Ignore such simple sentences IMO.

Some are so angry with politics in general they "scream" rants using social media.

Ignore both IMO. It's not worth your time and resources to waste electronic ink. Respond with a cute cat meme or video.

If people directly call you "un-Christian" for your political choices, perhaps reassessing their status in your life may be in order.

I am a christian and I voted Trump

Doesn't matter what people think is unchristian or not. Since Christians are on both sides of the political parties, one side will always hate the other when they win. Is Trump or Hillary good when it comes to "Christian values"? Nope. But we decide on whoever and thats that. Thing is if Trump won, then that means it was going to happen anyways. God knew he would win before He created Adam and Eve.

Lybrah said:

A lot of Facebook "friends" have told me I am a hypocrite for being for the travel ban. I know it is not a Muslim ban. But all over FB we see memes and articles about how the Christian thing to do is to welcome refugees in, no questions asked, and if we want a better vetting process or a wall, we're bad Christians. One "friend" told me how disturbing it was that someone (myself) who professes to practice a religion of love, would be ignorant and intolerant.

Also, concerning abortion and gay marriage, I'm getting real tired of being told I am not a real Christian by people who don't even go to church or read the bible. I actually had a friend say, "If you don't think gays should get married, you're not a real Christian." I feel like the bad guy. Thoughts?

Click to expand...

I thinking you are too busy listening to people you shouldn't be if what they say bothers you so much. There are plenty of others who would support you.

Lybrah said:

But how do we know what Jesus would think of all of this? I am worried that I am the one who is wrong. Can you give some scripture verses that might help?

Click to expand...

Asking your pastor as mentioned above is good advice.

There are Biblical principles you could look at as well. Rev John Stonestreet mentioned the below which I believe is good guidance for Christians:

So which key biblical worldview principles can we bring to bear on all of this?

First and foremost, every human being is made in the image of God. Christians must start here, and therefore may never write off or refuse to care about the plight of whole peoples on any basis, and that includes being Syrian.

Second, as Jesus said, the two greatest commands are to love God and to love our neighbors as ourselves. And Jesus told a parable about who is our neighbor. While ensuring America has uniform and effective standards for screening is both wise and necessary, shutting down the refugee program—for however long—should cause us grave concern. Lives are at stake.

Third, we cannot ignore Jesus’ parable about the sheep and the goats where he said, “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.” American churches have a long history of loving Christ by showing love to refugees. And in this climate, we must ramp up our efforts toward these communities around us.

Fourth, as Chuck Colson often said, government has a biblical mandate “to promote justice and restrain evil.” To restrain evil, a government must, justly, defend its nation’s borders and determine who gets to cross them, and who doesn’t. This requires distinguishing between tourists and immigrants on one hand, and refugees on the other.

Finally, we cherish religious liberty, but not just for ourselves, for members of every faith. If the President’s order turns out to be a first step in fulfilling his campaign promise to ban all Muslim immigration, Christians must protest vigorously.

I’ll have more to say as things clear up. But until then, let’s strive to see this through the mind of Christ. Pray for our leaders and for those in need, remembering that Jesus is both our savior and our judge.

The Executive Order – Break Point

Also there are many people who are not Christians or nominally religious who truly do not know how involved Christians are in ministering to the poor, the widows and orphans and refugee. Here is just one Evangelical Christian ministry and all they do:

Help Families Fleeing the Fighting in Mosul

Emergency Field Hospital Sent as Christmas Gift to Iraq

Loving Care for an Orphan | Samaritan’s Purse Gift Catalog

A Brighter Future for Ebola Widows

Women’s Programs

Crisis & Disaster Response

Feeding Programs

Health & Medical Ministries

Water, Sanitation & Hygiene

Children’s Heart Project

Putting a Stop to Human Trafficking

Deadly Earthquake in Nepal

U.S. Disaster Relief

Lybrah said:

A lot of Facebook "friends" have told me I am a hypocrite for being for the travel ban. I know it is not a Muslim ban. But all over FB we see memes and articles about how the Christian thing to do is to welcome refugees in, no questions asked, and if we want a better vetting process or a wall, we're bad Christians. One "friend" told me how disturbing it was that someone (myself) who professes to practice a religion of love, would be ignorant and intolerant.

Also, concerning abortion and gay marriage, I'm getting real tired of being told I am not a real Christian by people who don't even go to church or read the bible. I actually had a friend say, "If you don't think gays should get married, you're not a real Christian." I feel like the bad guy. Thoughts?

Click to expand...

Matthew 5:10-11 comes to mind.

"Those who are persecuted for righteousness are blessed, for the kingdom of heavenl is theirs."

“You are blessed when they insult and persecute you and falsely say every kind of evil against you because of Me.

Lybrah said:

A lot of Facebook "friends" have told me I am a hypocrite for being for the travel ban. I know it is not a Muslim ban. But all over FB we see memes and articles about how the Christian thing to do is to welcome refugees in, no questions asked, and if we want a better vetting process or a wall, we're bad Christians.

Click to expand...

I'll say up front, so you don't have to guess what my political views are: I am politically liberal on most issues, and it is my Christian faith that has driven me to become more and more socially and politically liberal through my adult life. I can talk about this journey with you more, if you want, either publicly or privately.

With that said: Politics is not identical to theology. Politics is the practical business of crafting a nation that works well. It's full of compromises and strategies and policies that aren't perfect but are the best we can actually implement in the circumstances. I think that, as Christians, we should take the teachings of Jesus very seriously as we craft our governmental policies. But I can also think of a couple of reasons why we might not take the teachings of the Bible and turn them directly into American law:

1) Christians disagree about how best to turn the Bible's teachings into public policy; there are many political details that the Bible does not address. We should all, for example, take very seriously Jesus' commands to love our neighbors, to love our enemies, and to treat the poor, the sick, and the strangers the way we would treat Jesus himself. We should also listen to James' warning that loving our neighbors means actions, not just kind words and fuzzy feelings. BUT: The Bible does not tell us what the visa application process should look like, or what kind of health insurance works best, or how best to fund public education. Those are political details we have to work out for ourselves, in all our human imperfection, and Christians disagree in reasonable ways about these things.

2) This is a nation of many religious faiths, and we as a people have agreed not to establish any one religion. I have had to come to terms with this myself. Many of my fellow Americans do not share my religious faith, and they do not want their tax money spent on the poor or their cities opened to people they see as outsiders. This includes many Christians who disagree with me about how to interpret and apply the teachings of Jesus. I am not entitled to try to establish my own religion as the official religion of the US.

So, my advice is: Think carefully about Jesus' commands about how we are to act toward our neighbors, including neighbors who are different from us or even hostile to us. Think carefully also about your political philosophy -- what practical strategies and compromises are necessary to create a nation that actually gets good things done. If you've done all that, and you still support the travel ban (and other similar policies), then I may still disagree with you, but I won't question your Christian faith, and nobody else should either.

Post Tenebras Lux said:

Certainly.

First of all we must consider that Donald Trump, love or loathe him, is not in government by mistake. I am personally not a fan of him, his actions or his history at all, but I am a fan of Scripture and its authority. Romans 13:1-7 are excellent verses on this matter:

13 1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. 7 Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.

It is my belief that, whether to hold us up or to test us, this still holds true and that Trump is in a position ordained by God. This is obviously a difficult thing to reconcile with at times, but it does not make it any less relevant to current events.

Same-sex marriage isn't something that can be discussed here really, but it's mine and a great many others' belief that your friends' statements are wrong and Scripture is pretty black and white on the matter, so that you can read for yourself and pray on.

What would Jesus think? Scripture already tells us of the many and the few. The many will constantly seek to undermine, subvert and attack the fabric of authority in Scripture. Just because there's a majority doesn't make them right.

Click to expand...

As long as Pres. Trump or our government officials do not break their contract with the citizens of the US, which are our federal and state Constitutions, and do not force us to break God's law, then as Christians we should also obey the law and show just respect for their authority, per God's command.

Post Tenebras Lux said:

Certainly.

First of all we must consider that Donald Trump, love or loathe him, is not in government by mistake. I am personally not a fan of him, his actions or his history at all, but I am a fan of Scripture and its authority. Romans 13:1-7 are excellent verses on this matter:

13 1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. 7 Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.

It is my belief that, whether to hold us up or to test us, this still holds true and that Trump is in a position ordained by God. This is obviously a difficult thing to reconcile with at times, but it does not make it any less relevant to current events.

Same-sex marriage isn't something that can be discussed here really, but it's mine and a great many others' belief that your friends' statements are wrong and Scripture is pretty black and white on the matter, so that you can read for yourself and pray on.

What would Jesus think? Scripture already tells us of the many and the few. The many will constantly seek to undermine, subvert and attack the fabric of authority in Scripture. Just because there's a majority doesn't make them right.

Click to expand...

Your answer is both true and misguided, I'd say.

Since we are to love our enemies, we are not to resist anyone, not only authority.

At the same time, look at the verses you quoted. For example:
Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same. Romans 13:3

That verse is true when authority is right, but when authority is not right, then doing what's good actually doesn't get praise from authority but punishment. Priests were killed in Russia during bolshevik rule. Those priests were doing good, but not only they didn't receive praise, they were killed specifically for doing good work. So, the verse you quoted, and with it, whole passage, is not universal.

That still doesn't mean acting other than loving enemy. But loving the enemy doesn't mean you to bring him up to God. Only God can do that. And, practically, all that exist is ordained by God. But not all that exists stands with God, while some hate Him. If you relativise that fact, that would hinder your own standing towards God, since that logic says that if evil is ordained by God, and you are ordained by God, than you are both ok with God. But that's not true.

So, even when authority is an enemy, we are to love people in power. To love, or maybe more precise, to send them love, not to give them some moral standing because they are in position of power. If said authority is wrong (towards God and His law), giving them moral standing, just because they are in power, I believe hinders your own morals.

There is more to say, but let's leave it with this little thought.

Before anything else, to your question in the title: No.

Lybrah said:

A lot of Facebook "friends" have told me I am a hypocrite for being for the travel ban

Click to expand...

Go on...

Lybrah said:

Also, concerning abortion and gay marriage, I'm getting real tired of being told I am not a real Christian by people who don't even go to church or read the bible.

Click to expand...

Christianity has NEVER been a mainstream, popular conviction. Even in Europe from about A. D. 350 until about the Second World War - when most people claimed to be Christians in Europe - the 'brand' of Christianity (not denomination, but personal loyalty) was heavily influenced by self-interest, political correctness (to be 'correct' in the eyes of the King), social standing intermixed with concealed sin and greed.

So public condemnation by those who aren't Christian is really nothing. The criticism is "You are not a Christian by my own invented standards!"

There are any number of people who refuse to observe the idea of 'sin' as anything other than whatever inconveniences them.

What does Jesus move your life to accept? If God isn't telling you to alter your positions and beliefs, I would not worry about other people's opinions.

Lybrah said:

I actually had a friend say, "If you don't think gays should get married, you're not a real Christian." I feel like the bad guy. Thoughts?

Click to expand...

I think that friend is full of blue mud. I also think that friend is far more concerned about left-wing politics and political correctness than Christ centered Christianity.

But consider this. It is absolutely logical to love 'gay people' and even like of them on an individual basis (Loving in God's terms in liking are NOT the same) - but not endorse the lifestyle or even changing the Christian concept of marriage.

The same applies to the friend mentioned in your last paragraph. That friend may be a pretty decent person - in the sense anyone is - and yet be completely wrong and even ignoring of proper actions. Sometimes one has to overlook and ignore some things to hang on to the good.

And don't let that sound like compromising your belief in God.