Do all of the seals, trumpets and vials affect the entire planet or are they more targeted in scope?

I disagree. According to Rev. 3:10, the tribulation is going to affect "the whole world". Each of the seals could be taken as regional or global. The 4th seal is a bit tricky, but it could mean that 1/4 of the earth's population is affected instead of the judgment only affecting 1/4 of the earth.

It truth, we don't really know for sure, but the one hint of Rev. 3:10 makes me lean toward a global set of judgments (which is consistent with the trumpets and bowls).

There is no doubt that the first five Seals are opened and have been since Jesus ascended to heaven.
The earth has experienced practically continuous wars, famines, plagues and economic disasters, at least somewhere: for the last 2000 years. History confirms it.
But the Fifth Seal clinches it; the souls of all those martyred for their faith, from Stephen, thrown to the lions, burned at the stake and now beheaded, etc, are kept under the Altar in heaven.
The Sixth Seal cosmic events and note how it is every person alive that knows: The great Day of the Lord's wrath has come..... Revelation 6:17, has not happened as yet.
Jesus made it clear that the Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath is the next prophesied event. Isaiah 61:1-2a. 2b is next.
The Seventh Seal is a time gap; about a half hour in heaven = about 20 years on earth. About right for all that is prophesied to happen between the 'reset of civilization' of the Sixth Seal, to the glorious Return of Jesus.

Revelation 9:1-12
1The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. 6During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them. 7The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer). 12The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come.

There are Five months from the Fifth Trumpet to Christ's return. Only Christ will be able to stop the locusts.

The Fifth Trumpet coincides with the First Woe.
The Sixth Trumpet coincides with the Second Woe.
The Seventh Trumpet coincides with the Third Woe.

Postvieww said:

There are many interpretations of the book of Revelation with regard to timing and scope. Post your beliefs and reasons for those beliefs.


I’ll start with a brief explanation of what I see in the seals.

1st Seal - No matter what your view of who or what the 1st seal represents the passage only says he that sat on the white horse went forth conquering and to conquer is does not say what or how much is conquered.

2nd Seal - This rider is said to take peace from the earth, so it could be argued to affect most of the planet at different times, but war has been a factor throughout history and this seal cannot be shown from the text to be a one time judgement during the tribulation period that brings war to every corner of earth at one time..

3rd Seal - Whatever your interpretation of the 3rd rider the passage does not say who or to what degree are those involved are affected.

4th- Seal - Power was given to the 4th rider only over ¼ of the earth.

5th Seal - Is only those who are slain for the word of God.

6th Seal - Affects the sun, moon and stars, every mountain and island, as well as the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man. The 6th seal can be said to affect the entire planet.

7th Seal - Only says there was silence in heaven, does not affect the entire planet.



Only seal 6 can be argued from the text to affect the entire planet at one time.

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You have the rider on the white horse, which is a counterfeit to the one in Revelation 19:11 . The rider on the red horse would appear to be some kind of an antagonist to the rider on the white horse, which is granted/allowed to take peace from the earth, that people should kill one another, and given a great sword.

The black horse is the result of ongoing conflict, which leads to scarcity of resources, particularly the basics required for sustenance(i.e. food). Interestingly, the rich do not seem to be affected at this point since there is added, "and do not harm the oil and the wine", which was only affordable to the wealthy back in John's time.

The pale horse itself does not mean an increase in scope of any conflict, but rather signals an increase in consequence. Together, war and famine will of course give rise to pestilence, which will have power to kill people located over a quarter of the earth. The question to ask here is whether it denotes 1/4 of the population or an unspecified number of people contained within 1/4 of an unspecified geography of the earth.

In one way or another, these things are going to have a negative affect on everyone, regardless of whether its happening on the other side of the earth or right in their own back yard.

The 5th's of each series gives a view of what is going on in the Beast's kingdom, the 6th's gives a view of what is going on overall in the earth, and the 7th's gives a view from heaven.

Postvieww said:

Only seal 6 can be argued from the text to affect the entire planet at one time.

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I agree the sixth seal shows that there is a timing reference and that it may relate to when Jesus returns or from when the Two Witnesses resurrect when there is a severe earthquake to Jesus' return but I see the seals as primarily describing the ‘who’ rather than the ‘when’ of the end times. The four horsemen of the apocalypse are the last four evil powers that will rule over the Earth and who decimate it during the last days. The white horse represents the False Prophet who will be the new Jewish High Priest in the rebuilt third temple, the red horse represents Satan who will poses as Jesus Himself and come to Earth as an alien with fleets of UFO's and claim that not only is he the most powerful of all the alien races but is also Isa the Muslim name for Jesus, the black horse represents the new world order money elite, while the forth horse which is actually green in the original Greek translation represents the Anti-Christ; Green is the sacred colour of Islam and the Anti-Christ will be the Muslim prophesied Mahdi Ruler, who Isa (Satan) will empower and support to rule over the False Prophet, the NWO and the rest of the World. The fifth seal reveals the followers of Jesus waiting in Heaven, the sixth seal describes the non-believers who are trying to hide from God and Jesus when He returns, while the seventh seal reveals God, His angels and His saints in Heaven.

Many of the Leftbehind will soon die in the first 3.5 years.

1st seal : a/c make Peace in the world - no wars
2nd seal : When they say Peace2, Peace removed, people kill each other everywhere
3rd seal : Worldwide bankruptcy, a day's wage for a bread
4th seal : 1/4 of the population died = 2 billions more deaths
5th seal : christians all over the world /the leftbehinds who refused the rfid chip and refuse to worship the beast will be beheaded.
6th seal : very big earthquake, may be 12 SR

1st trumpet : God will send fire and blood to burn 1/3 of forest and grass, this is not debris field or comet's tail but this come from the Great White Throne. The air will be very hot and poisonous with smoke. visions limited.
2nd trumpet : 1/3 part of the sea becomes blood,
3rd trumpets : water will be bitter, people hv no choice to drink it and die.


If you read it thoroughly the Bible did show the 2 Witness shall be killed at 3.5 years by the angel from bottomless pit who will be released by the 5th Trumpet.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days.....
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

The beast that kill the 2 Witness is released by 5th trumpets :
Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

We therefore have a clue that the 5th Trumpet shall be opened at 3.5 years of tribulation.

And therefore the 1st -6th seal and the 1st-5th trumpets shall happen within 3.5 years be4 the abomination of desolation.

Many of the Leftbehind will soon die in the first 3.5 years.

Well I don't want to read anything into those scriptures, so I may have to wait until I get to Heaven to get the true understanding. The saints in verse 8 are the ones that believed after the catching away. They understood what had happened and realized that what they had heard and read was true, but was too late. But they believed and become saints.

Postvieww said:

Are not your predetermined beliefs on the timing of the rapture allowing you to “read” into what you claim about the saints in verse 8? That view is not supported by the text.

IMHO one does not have to read anything into the scriptures I posted. All you have to do is harmonize the scriptures and the truth will appear.

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The same as your predetermined beliefs on the timing of the rapture has formed your claims of what you have written in this thread. It could be your Harmonization.

Postvieww said:

If the future antichrist is to rule over the entire planet as many believe and teach how do we reconcile these two passages?

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Plainly the AC doesn't rule overall the world.
The people living in all of the holy Land area will not be a part of his One World Government. The prophesies of Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 66:18-21, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Jeremiah 31:1-34, Amos 9:13-15 They will be all of the Lord's true Christian believers, then called: the sons of the Living God. Romans 9:24-26

That is why the AC comes to them and makes a 7 year peace treaty. Daniel 9:27 He will do that because of the wipe out of the Gog/Magog attack, just previous.
We see in Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7 that when the AC breaks that treaty, how the Lord's holy people ARE there then and in Revelation 12:6-17 and Daniel 11:32, how they separate into two groups: those who violated the Covenant with God and stay in the Land and those who keep their faith and are taken to a place of safety.
There is no rapture to heaven for us, but great rewards await those who stand firm during the tough times ahead.

Postvieww wrote,
4th- Seal - Power was given to the 4th rider only over ¼ of the earth.

Let's look a little closer
2nd seal - red horse - given a SWORD
3rd seal - black horse - brings FAMINE
4th seal - DEATH

However, notice closely what is written here:
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with SWORD, and with HUNGER, and with DEATH.

Notice "them" is plural: so WHO is "them?"
"Them" is:
the Red horse and rider with the SWORD,
The Black horse and rider with famine and hunger,
The Pale horse and rider with DEATH

I believe DEATH may also refer to things like the black plague, yellow fever, and other such very contagious diseases that wipe out a population.

These three then are who are limited to the 1/4 of the earth. I believe they are to represent the devil's attempts to stop the advance of the gospel from Jerusalem to the entire world. I believe this 1/4 would then be centered on Jerusalem, taking in Europe and Africa and of course the Middle East.