Do you think God takes care about our sexual life

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I don't think inappropriate behavior with animals or incest are really comparable to most adult, consentual sexual relationships.

Of course not. However, they do unfortunately fall within the continuum of human sexual activity which I assumed that the OPED was referring to. But if indeed we restrict it to consensual sexual relations between adults, then of course we have the clear biblical condemnation of adultery, and homosexuality which shows us that he doesn't consider coessentiality a relevant factor in relation to these activities.
 
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Of course not. However, they do unfortunately fall within the continuum of human sexual activity which I assumed that the OPED was referring to. But if indeed we restrict it to consensual sexual relations between adults, then of course we have the clear biblical condemnation of adultery, and homosexuality which shows us that he doesn't consider coessentiality a relevant factor in relation to these activities.
Adultery I get, because it harms a third party. Homosexuality is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about, though. Why should God care, particularly? It doesn't seem contrary to the New Commandment, does it?

I don't see why it should be considered binding when pretty much everything else in Leviticus we ignore.
 
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Adultery I get, because it harms a third party. Homosexuality is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about, though. Why should God care, particularly? It doesn't seem contrary to the New Commandment, does it?

I don't see why it should be considered binding when pretty much everything else in Leviticus we ignore.
There are two parts of the Mosaic Law. one is ceremonial and dietary and the other involves morality such as described in the Ten commandments which tell us not to murder, steal, lie, etcetera. The ceremonial aspect of the law, which involved offering of animal sacrifices, celebration of the Passover and other events, which Paul described as being prophetic shadows of the reality fulfilled in Christ, are no longer binding on the Jews and were never biding on the gentiles.

However, the moral principles of the law which prohibited adultery, murder, bearing false witness, etcetera, are all still binding and summarized in loving neighbor as we love ourselves.

Matthew 22:36-40
36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" 37 Jesus said to him, x "'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 1 38 "This is the first and great commandment. 39 "And the second is like it: y 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

That's why we have the moral law involving human relations in the NT in harmony with the moral law in the OT. The reason that the NT mentions specifics is because those behaviors were being practiced during that time and a clarification was needed in order to make sure that Christians understood that such prohibitions were still binding.

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We as humans might not see how same sex sexual relations are harmful. However, please note that God designed us physically different for a specific purpose-to marry, procreate and fill the Earth. anything that goes contrary to that purpose is deemed a sin, whether it be dwelling in one city and leaving the rest of the Earth unfilled, insisting that mankind is the one to determine right or wrong, or whether it be a refusal to abide by his plan of having males and females only to have sex. If it goes contrary to his ultimate purpose for mankind and the earth, it is a sin.


“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:27).
 
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There are two parts of the Mosaic Law. one is ceremonial and dietary and the other involves morality such as described in the Ten commandments which tell us not to murder, steal, lie, etcetera. The ceremonial aspect of the law, which involved offering of animal sacrifices, celebration of the Passover and other events, which Paul described as being prophetic shadows of the reality fulfilled in Christ, are no longer binding on the Jews and were never biding on the gentiles.

However, the moral principles of the law which prohibited adultery, murder, bearing false witness, etcetera, are all still binding and summarized in loving neighbor as we love ourselves.

Matthew 22:36-40
36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" 37 Jesus said to him, x "'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 1 38 "This is the first and great commandment. 39 "And the second is like it: y 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

That's why we have the moral law involving human relations in the NT in harmony with the moral law in the OT. The reason that the NT mentions specifics is because those behaviors were being practiced during that time and a clarification was needed in order to make sure that Christians understood that such prohibitions were still binding.
I'm familiar with the argument. However I'm not sure why everyone is so keen to condemn homosexual behaviour as a moral, rather than ritual infraction. Plenty of scholars make a fair case for it being the other way around.

The crux of the issue, for me, anyway, is; why would God care? I mean, assuming fully informed consent of all parties. I understand the reasons for the other moral prohibitions, and most of the ritual ones. I'm yet to encounter an explanation of the homosexual one that doesn't boil down to "it's wrong because the Bible says it's wrong, and the Bible says it's wrong because it's wrong"
 
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I'm familiar with the argument. However I'm not sure why everyone is so keen to condemn homosexual behaviour as a moral, rather than ritual infraction. Plenty of scholars make a fair case for it being the other way around.

The crux of the issue, for me, anyway, is; why would God care? I mean, assuming fully inforjed consent of all parties. I understand the reasons for the other moral prohibitions, and most of the ritual ones. I'm yet to encounter an explanation of the homosexual one that doesn't boil down to "it's wrong because the Bible says it's wrong, abd the Bible says it's wrong because it's wrong"

We as humans might not see how same sex sexual relations are harmful. However, please note that God designed us physically different for a specific purpose-to marry, procreate and fill the Earth. Anything that goes contrary to that purpose is deemed a sin, whether it be dwelling in one city and leaving the rest of the Earth unfilled, insisting that mankind is the one to determine right or wrong, or whether it be a refusal to abide by his plan of having males and females only to have sex. If it goes contrary to his ultimate purpose for mankind and the earth, it is a sin.
 
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We as humans might not see how same sex sexual relations are harmful. However, please note that God designed us physically different for a specific purpose-to marry, procreate and fill the Earth. Anything that goes contrary to that purpose is deemed a sin, whether it be dwelling in one city and leaving the rest of the Earth unfilled, insisting that mankind is the one to determine right or wrong, or whether it be a refusal to abide by his plan of having males and females only to have sex. If it goes contrary to his ultimate purpose for mankind and the earth, it is a sin.
So celibate people are sinful? Anyway, it's late and I have an early start. I'm happy to continue this tomorrow if you like.
 
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"According to the Bible" He cares a great deal about whether or not we eat shellfish, too. Some exegesis is required.
exegesis has been provided in Acts 10:9-23.
 
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He cares a great deal.

There are those who run around, and are given to an std.
That std becomes a judgement against them, because they are given to it.
They cannot pray that disease away.

On the deathbeds some be saved,
because judgement is a redeeming thing.

Honestly, Christ broke with this idea: A punisher God. Of course, the God is not going to send you a desease for what you do in your intimate life. I don't belive on that. I can't. God is love. The god of Old Testament maybe was. But not this.

¿Is bad to eat? Not, but if you eat too much, in disorder, it's glutony. It's bad to sleep? Not, it's natural. But if you sleep too much, it's sloth. It's bad sex. No, but if you so it in disorder (that's not written how much, it only depends on you), it's lust.

Please, I ask you. Read the New Testament again. Don't believe in a punisher God. It's not our God. Not hate, not punishment in this life.

Thanks for your reply
 
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I don't think inappropriate behavior with animals or incest are really comparable to most adult, consentual sexual relationships.
ever heard the saying "two wrongs don't make a right" ?
 
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Is sex something bad? There is something wrong if the act indeed is full of love? Do you think He get's sad if you do soemthing you are programed for? Nothing wrong if it's a normal act, I think. Into an order. Something you control, inside a bounderies. What do you think about?

I realize that for christians rulers it was always the most important thing, more important than the goodness and other things that are in fact in the Holy Gospel.
How can sex be bad when its created by god and literally is the act that makes all of gods children come to earth?
Why do christians beleive sex is bad, thats the real question, what source did this thought come from, and why do we lsiten to it lol!

Still, sex is highly overrated and abused in our society as something that will fulfill your life if you get it, ven if it is romantic and in a fulfilling relationship. It is not, its just as empty as anything else compared to communion with God, and it is also true that a eprson that finds god and grows in communion with him will loese interest for sex, if he had some sort of addiction or drive for it. The fruit of the spirit is abstinence, and so it will happen as the fruit of the spirit comes. But then people who lakcs knowledge interprets it as if abstinence is something holy, it is not, its just that sex and romance isnt all that we are taught by hollywood to believe it is. It does not fulfill anything in the long run, its just about creation of new generations and keeping a family together to raise kdis in a safe space.
 
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So celibate people are sinful? Anyway, it's late and I have an early start. I'm happy to continue this tomorrow if you like.

Celibacy can be due to Ill health, extreme age, lack of opportunity due to isolation, or a decision to spread the Gospel to others as God commanded but more efficiently. All these are not sinful. But if a person is aflame with desire and stays celibate but chooses to satisfy lust via inappropriate contentography, then his celibacy is sinful since the natural thing in such a situation would be to seek a marriage mate of the opposite sex.

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Homosexuality is only partially sinful based on God's purpose to fill the Earth and making male and female relations necessary for it. Homosexuality is primarily sinful because it constitutes an intentional aberration of the way that God originally intended nature to be.
 
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Adultery I get, because it harms a third party. Homosexuality is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about, though. Why should God care, particularly? It doesn't seem contrary to the New Commandment, does it?

I don't see why it should be considered binding when pretty much everything else in Leviticus we ignore.

I think this too. People just pick from the bible what they want anyway to support their own viewpoint.
 
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Honestly, Christ broke with this idea: A punisher God. Of course, the God is not going to send you a desease for what you do in your intimate life. I don't belive on that. I can't. God is love. The god of Old Testament maybe was. But not this.

¿Is bad to eat? Not, but if you eat too much, in disorder, it's glutony. It's bad to sleep? Not, it's natural. But if you sleep too much, it's sloth. It's bad sex. No, but if you so it in disorder (that's not written how much, it only depends on you), it's lust.

Please, I ask you. Read the New Testament again. Don't believe in a punisher God. It's not our God. Not hate, not punishment in this life.

Thanks for your reply

I did not say He sends a disease, I said you are given to it. You sent yourself the disease.

My God does not sit idly by while people sin and flaunt sin to His face forever.

My God has cups of wrath.

Do not deceive yourself, thinking sin is okay.
 
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Is sex something bad? There is something wrong if the act indeed is full of love? Do you think He get's sad if you do soemthing you are programed for? Nothing wrong if it's a normal act, I think. Into an order. Something you control, inside a bounderies. What do you think about?

I realize that for christians rulers it was always the most important thing, more important than the goodness and other things that are in fact in the Holy Gospel.
No.... he says go out and multiply for a reason. And the term Eros(sexual) love comes straight out the Bible. Now sex before marriage though is wrong, it's called fornication. Sex with another while married is also, it's called adultery. Now in songs of Solomon sex is mentioned as being gentle or something(heard in scripture on the radio I'm kinda young to really dive into that stuff lol) of that nature so I guess he cares to an extent. But yeah
 
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I think this too. People just pick from the bible what they want anyway to support their own viewpoint.
There was this lady who observed JWS underlining scriptures in the Bible and thought that they were blotting out the parts they didn't like.
 
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