Trump's Executive Order Is Harming Christians Already.

People should have factored Trump's election promises into their travel arrangements.

Detroit family caught in Iraq travel ban, mom dies waiting to come home

"A local business owner flies to Iraq to bring his mother back home to the US for medical treatment. But under President Trump's ban on immigration and travel from seven predominately Muslim nations, he was forced to leave his family behind.

Hager said he was returning home with his family that included his sick mom. They were returning home to the United States where his mother has lived since 1995. As they were waiting in line at the airport in Iraq on Friday, he was told that he could pass through because he was a U.S. citizen. But his family members - including his mom - weren't allowed, despite holding green cards."

Not Christian, but certainly hurt.

All countries have restrictions that disadvantage some. A friend in Australia had to send his elderly mother back to South Africa where she has no children to care for her because of a pre-existing health condition that prevented her from gaining citizenship.

Laws that cause difficulties for some people, especially around family reunification, are not necessarily bad laws when there is a greater good. Of course, "greater good" is a matter of perception.

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As I heard recently: "If Trump walked on water, the media headlines would be 'Trump cannot swim'".

It seems to me that the order was a bit too inclusive - barring some who were already well established as friendly.

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Seems there have been terror attacks in Israel...maybe none of late though...?

SMH

When considering the countries to which the ban applies, we often hear criticism based on the countries represented by those who have carried out actual terrorist attacks. It would be interesting to hear about the countries represented by those charged with terrorism offences (planning, inciting, etc). The number of people in the second group, I expect, is much higher than those in the first, and probably explains the countries selected.

timewerx said:

In context, I meant attacks that are carried by a person inside Israel territory (thus, went through immigration).

So it doesn't include rocket attacks from outside Israel's borders.

And considering Israel is right in the middle of nations hostile to Israel, and given the number of Arabs resident in Israel, they are doing a tremendously great job at screening immigrants. They are obviously doing something the rest of the world hasn't figured out yet.

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It is not a matter of figuring it out it is a matter of being willing to do what works.

grasping the after wind said:

It is not a matter of figuring it out it is a matter of being willing to do what works.

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What needs to happen is people in the administration need to figure out that ISIS, al Qeda, Taliban etc. are NOT just physical enemies, but that there is a spiritual war element here - wrestling against demonic principalities and powers. (Eph 6.12) and fight islamic extremism in that venue FIRST.

DaveW-Ohev said:

What needs to happen is people in the administration need to figure out that ISIS, al Qeda, Taliban etc. are NOT just physical enemies, but that there is a spiritual war element here - wrestling against demonic principalities and powers. (Eph 6.12) and fight islamic extremism in that venue FIRST.

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Got any empirical evidence of this claim?

Armoured said:

Got any empirical evidence of this claim?

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What would you accept as "empirical evidence?"

DaveW-Ohev said:

What needs to happen is people in the administration need to figure out that ISIS, al Qeda, Taliban etc. are NOT just physical enemies, but that there is a spiritual war element here - wrestling against demonic principalities and powers. (Eph 6.12) and fight islamic extremism in that venue FIRST.

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Christians who understand the concept of "spiritual warfare" will of course agree, but I'm not sure what you could expect from the Trump administration. Islamic extremism as a demonic power is evident from their attitude towards Christians and Israel.

DaveW-Ohev said:

What would you accept as "empirical evidence?"

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I'm sure you're already familiar with the term. But for our purposes here, let's go with "evidence a secular government can base a decision on"

Armoured said:

I'm sure you're already familiar with the term. But for our purposes here, let's go with "evidence a secular government can base a decision on"

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Exactly. So there can be no evidence that fits that criteria.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

The nature of this conflict requires people with spiritual discernment to direct the intercessors and prayer warriors along with the physical military to coordinate their efforts.

That cannot be done from a purely secular perspective.

grasping the after wind said:

It is not a matter of figuring it out it is a matter of being willing to do what works.

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Are you saying what Israel does to keep itself safe, USA is not willing to do?

I'm not sure if that is true. But Israel being in the middle of their enemies seemed to have mastered the art of defense in everything. They are much more experienced and actually more technologically advanced in that field. They seem willing to share that expertise to USA the last I read but I don't how it turned out.

DaveW-Ohev said:

Exactly. So there can be no evidence that fits that criteria.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

The nature of this conflict requires people with spiritual discernment to direct the intercessors and prayer warriors along with the physical military to coordinate their efforts.

That cannot be done from a purely secular perspective.

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Then it's a red herring in a discussion about secular governance. Let's move on, shall we?

Sketcher said:

Orthodox Christians, legal immigrants from Syria, sent back - to Syria. Their family in the US is trying to bring them back.

Family of Syrians Deported From Philadelphia Voted for Trump

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I pray for their safe return. Green card holders should never have been turned back. Nor those previously vetted prior to the Executive order.

Oh shut up. I'm more concerned about how Facebook is censoring...