the thread title - in the post above - about Jesus - the Messiah as the sin offering of Isiah 53 -- has THIS as an OP.
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In one scenario -- Jesus is a good Jewish teacher - Rabbi - who was seeking to do good and teach scripture accurately - then in a strange twist of events gets accused and killed by the Roman government.
The other scenario - is that the OT predicts him as the sin offering, and he himself insists that he is on a mission and it requires that he be crucified long before the Romans come after him or anyone comes after him on any sort of legal charges.
But if you obey the Law, guarantee is provided that you don't need forgiveness. Get the Logic of this statement?
I agree completely. But all have sinned - even coveting "thought crimes" are a sin. In the OT (Tanakh) they had animal sacrifices to deal with the sin - in the NT we have the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ according to Hebrews 10.
The sacrifice of Jesus on the cross had nothing to do with redemption of Mankind. Jesus was crucified on a political charge of insurrection for having allowed his disciples to acclaim him king of the Jews in Jerusalem. Hence, Pilate's command to nail Jesus' verdict on the top of his cross which read INRI
as the reason why he was crucified.(Luke 19:37-40)
Tanakh predicts Christ in 27 A.D. and says he will be sin offering.
Jesus was the Messiah - Daniel 9:24-27 says that 490 from the decree to restore Jerusalem which happens around 457 B.C. until the Messiah is 483 years (so then 27 A.D Christ is baptized) - then 3.5 years later the Messiah is cut off (Christ is crucified). We are long past that time.
Isaiah 53 says the Messiah is the "sin offering"
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was
pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For
he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though
the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge
my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For
he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
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Sin offering in the Tanakh is always a blood sacrifice - pure unblemished animal sacrifice.
Lev 17
11 For the
life of a creature is in the blood, and I have
given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it
is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.
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Is 53
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though
the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge
my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
Jeremiah 23
5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.
