Soul Sleep...? Yea, or nay...? True or false...?

The vast majority of Christians today have embraced the false pagan belief
that at death people don't really die [isn't that what the serpent told Eve ??]
Most people believe at death their enhanced personality lives on in another world.
What used to be the central doctrine of Christianity, the resurrection of the dead
at Christ's second coming, is hardly mentioned anymore. And why should it be if
one believes the falsehood that at death disincarnate souls are already in "heaven"
aware, perfectly content and intervening in human events. Getting rid of Christianity's
core doctrine of the necessity of the resurrection of the dead at Christ's second
coming... propels the false Preterism doctrine that Christ has already returned and
propels the forbidden globalist union of Christianity with antichrist religions.

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AlasBabylon said:

The vast majority of Christians today have embraced the false pagan belief
that at death people don't really die [isn't that what the serpent told Eve ??]
Most people believe at death their enhanced personality lives on in another world.
What used to be the central doctrine of Christianity, the resurrection of the dead
at Christ's second coming, is hardly mentioned anymore. And why should it be if
one believes the falsehood that at death disincarnate souls are already in "heaven"
aware, perfectly content and intervening in human events. Geting rid of Christianity's
core doctrine of the necessity of the resurrection of the dead at Christ's second
coming... propels the false Preterism doctrine that Christ has already returned and
propels the forbidden globalist union of Christianity with antichrist religions.

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Ya. I don't believe that people don't really die.

And I'm definitely not a preterist. I also believe in the necessity of the resurrection.

I was just wondering if Moses and Elijah weren't actually at the transfiguration.

bsd058 said:

So they weren't really there?

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No, not in the way you may define real

The appearance of Moses and Elijah at Christ's Transfiguration was symbolic imagery.
Moses symbolized God's Laws and Elijah symbolized God's Prophets.

Jesus was God's divine fulfillment of both the Law and the Prophets.

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AlasBabylon said:

No, not in the way you may define real

The appearance of Moses and Elijah at Christ's Transfiguration was symbolic imagery.
Moses symbolized God's Laws and Elijah symbolized God's Prophets.

Jesus was God's divine fulfillment of both the Law and the Prophets.

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Well...it was definitely a vision like you say. I just read Matthew 17:9. Perhaps the soul-sleep side has something there.

I'm not 100% convinced. But at least I learned something.

AlasBabylon said:

The Bible teaches and both Luther and Tyndale believed the dead sleep

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Where? And don't point to places in the New Testament where Jesus said "sleep" and meant dead. The soul of man is immortal. Once it is created, it cannot die, nor does it sleep. A soul ends up in one of two places, heaven or hell. It doesn't just rest with the decaying bones and dust until Jesus comes back.

Riberra said:

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

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Very thin.

Monk Brendan said:

Where? And don't point to places in the New Testament where Jesus said "sleep" and meant dead. The soul of man is immortal. Once it is created, it cannot die, nor does it sleep. A soul ends up in one of two places, heaven or hell. It doesn't just rest with the decaying bones and dust until Jesus comes back.

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So say you and the majority of Christians.

Here at the end of the age, in a time of universal deception...
in the end-time "days of Noah" and "days of Lot", one should
seriously reconsider being joined with the majority.

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AlasBabylon said:

This is
why our names are written in God's book of life... not names like Tom, Dick or Harry...
but our real name that God gave us that truly identifies us individually, our genetic code.

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I've thought about that point--is your "name" what your parents gave you, or is there a unique name by which God knows you?

I'm also guessing it's the latter, although I haven't thought about it being connected with genetic code.

RDKirk said:

I've thought about that point--is your "name" what your parents gave you, or is there a unique name by which God knows you?

I'm also guessing it's the latter, although I haven't thought about it being connected with genetic code.

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Here is one of the most beautiful quotes from the Bible:

" For thou hast possessed my reins:
thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made:
marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret,
and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect;
and in thy book all my members were written,
which in continuance were fashioned,
when as yet there was none of them."

Psalms 139:13-16

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Nay! False! At least for those actually born of His Spirit (Romans 8:9) because for us to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. The thief was with Him that day in Sheol/Hades (paradise)

pshun2404 said:

The thief was with Him that day in Sheol/Hades (paradise)

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Never heard of hell [ie, sheol, the grave] being paradise.

But there were no commas in the original script and where that comma is placed makes all the difference.

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Neogaia777 said:

Living but not aware...? Not aware of us, not able to interact with us, and unaware of our realm, but alive in a different realm to God...?

Is that right...?

God Bless!

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Living but not aware = sleep.

The famous Houdini said... if it could be done, after his death he would try to make contact.

God's law forbids trying to communicate with the dead... because it can't be done.

" Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work,
nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. "

Ecclesiastes 9:10

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I believe that when we die, we are "asleep" in the grave until the Resurrection (Rapture, Caught Up, 2nd Coming, etc etc). I'm not very good at reciting verses, but several of them that support the dead being asleep have been mentioned. I also believe that Paul stated in one of his letters that David is asleep in the grave.

As for Moses and Elijah at the Transfiguration ... both of them were translated (actually, I think Moses was resurrected more correctly ... where Michael was contending with the Devil over Moses body). So, no ... them being at the Transfiguration was not solely symbolism. They were actually there, in their incorruptible bodies.

One question is ... when Jesus died and was laying in the tomb for 3 days, there is the belief he went down to Hell and preached to those there. But if the dead are asleep ... who is he preaching to ... demons?

Another question:

Matthew 27:52-53.
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Who were these people? The many since Adam and Eve who were/are considered righteous by God?
If so, then at the 2nd coming, those that are asleep in Christ and are resurrected are those who are righteous from the time of Christ until now?
And what happened to them after they appeared unto many in Jerusalem? Did they ascend into heaven after Jesus did (or before him)? And are they perhaps those under the alter crying out in Revelation? Are some of them part of the Council in front of the Throne mentioned in Revelation?

@ADisciple

You are thinking of what Peter said about David in Acts 2:29

" Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. "

In both the OT and NT the Bible records people being raised from the dead like Lazarus. But those people were raised in their original temporary body and later died. This is different from being resurrected into a perfect immortal body at Christ's second coming.

Jesus is the first fruit of those who now sleep in death.

No one except Jesus Christ has been resurrected immortal and ascended into heaven.

Per John 3:13

" And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. "

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Neogaia777 said:

But, we can with spirits pretending to be the dead right...? But not actually are any humans who have died, correct... (Demon's)

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God's law forbids what you might call supernatural communication with [supposed] disembodied spirits... because it is impossible.

It is quite telling that here at the end of this evil age there is so much secular humanist interest in "ghosts" and other supposed supernatural phenomena.

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Neogaia777 said:

Where do you suppose our dead loved ones go, where they are aware of them, and themselves and God maybe, but, not us, or our realm anymore...?

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I'm not sure what you are asking.

The dead don't go anywhere... they are peacefully asleep in their graves blissfully unaware of what an abomination society has become. Their next conscious moment is their resurrection at the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Have you contemplated that the vast majority of Christians are now asleep in their graves, while the majority of those who have taken their place are destined for destruction?! It is a very sobering thought. Isaiah 57:1 tells us that God in His mercy allows the righteous to die early... to protect them from evil to come.

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bsd058 said:

I was just wondering if Moses and Elijah weren't actually at the transfiguration.

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Moses and Elijah were physically there at the transfiguration. the three disciples saw them.
Remember Moses was resurrected in a battle with Satan in the book of Jude. He represents the Law and those that are asleep waiting the resurrection.
Remember Elijah was translated to heaven in a fiery chariot without seeing death. He represents the prophets and those that will be alive and caught up at the second coming of Jesus.