Who here believes we can conversate with God on the daily

Serving Zion said:

You've made a very serious accusation by saying I have diverged from the truth of the bible, which I would prefer an opportunity to defend, but I am worried that after many iterations, we probably will not end up reaching an agreement.

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I don't make the charge frivolously. There are things you wrote in your post that were not biblical at all, hence my remark about diverging from God's truth. If you wish to make a defense of your views, I'd be interested to read it. I can't promise we'll arrive at a place of consensus about the things you wrote, however.

Serving Zion said:

.. As I have used the word "wrath", I have recognised it as one of the "Seven Deadly Sins". We Christians recognise that God has no sin because He is holy.

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But those negative attitudes we may adopt and actions we may take as sin-corrupted humans may be adopted and taken by God without corruption. When God is wrathful there is none of the character of sin upon His wrath. God's wrath is pure, just, holy and true; it is right that He should be wrathful and good that His wrath falls upon the unrepentant wicked. We cannot say the same of our wrath, however, and ought not compare it to the holy wrath of God as though there is some perfect parallel between the two.

Serving Zion said:

Isaiah 27:4 (ISR) states:

"Wrath is not in me. Who would set thornbushes and weeds against Me in battle? I would go through them, I would burn them altogether".

In this chapter, it is YHWH speaking through the prophet Isaiah, saying that there is no wrath in Him, the day of His battle.

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Actually, if one examines the context of the verse you've cited, when God says, "I have no wrath..." (NASB) He is referring to His attitude toward His vineyard (the Israelites, His Chosen People). Is He making a universal statement about His character in Isaiah 27:4? Is God saying He is never ever wrathful? Well, we have only to look at the rest of Scripture to see that is NOT what He is saying. Here's a good example:

Exodus 22:22-24
22 "You shall not afflict any widow or fatherless child.
23 If you afflict them in any way, and they cry at all to Me, I will surely hear their cry;
24 and My wrath will become hot, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.

Or how about this one?

Numbers 11:33
33 But while the meat was still between their teeth, before it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was aroused against the people, and the Lord struck the people with a very great plague.

Annnd this one:

Deuteronomy 29:28
28 And the Lord uprooted them from their land in anger, in wrath, and in great indignation, and cast them into another land, as it is this day.'

I could go on and on. Clearly, whatever God was saying in Isaiah 27:4, He was NOT saying that He was never wrathful. What it appears He was saying was that toward Israel at that moment He was not angry.

Now, I'm not kidding when I say I could go on and on about God's wrath. His wrath is in evidence all throughout Scripture. If you were even a half-hearted student of Scripture, you would know this and would not have made the assertion about God never being wrathful that you did. In this instance, then, you have diverged from the revelation of Scripture. A God who is never wrathful is not the God revealed to us in the Bible; a wrathless God is a distortion of the One, True God. This distortion is very dangerous; for when we get it wrong about God, we get it wrong about Reality itself. God, you see, is the Ground of All Reality, He is the Source of all that is. Therefore, when we warp the nature of God, we ensure we cannot get at the Truth; for it is from God - rightly understood - that all Truth ultimately flows.

Selah.

ImAllLikeOkWaitWhat said:

I'm fully aware of that psychological saying of if god talks back you are psychotic. But that is basically saying people like moses were just psychotic when they heard the lords voice. I also do admit that a lot of the people you see on the news who say god told me to shoot up a building or commit some other sin aren't hearing gods voice but are indeed psychotic. However what if you can ask god questions, he responds in your mind and the answers align with the bible hence you aren't psychotic? It's only when we don't know what the bible says and try to talk to god and listen and get responses that aren't biblical that people get in trouble.

Or for instance you ask jesus questions and get responses and google the answer and find out they are true? I'm not going to go into any detail with my experiences but I would just like to hear what other christians think. I'm expecting people to say that anyone who asks god a question and gets a response back is psychotic. Because this is what they are taught. But if you really believe the bible theres no reason why we couldn't communicate with the lord on the daily like they did in the bible.

We are indeed told to fellowship with the lord and that involves more than just prayer and us doing all the talking. Sometimes we gotta listen as well.

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Back in 2015 a fifteen year old Israeli teenager had
a near death experience.

His message, in my opinion, is setting up the nation of Israel
for a massive repentance on the scale predicted in Joel 2

I have the impression that this young man receives daily guidance from
the Holy Spirit that would cause many powerfully Holy Spirit led Christians to envy the relationship that he has with Messiah.


Israeli teenager has near death experience and predicts....

ImAllLikeOkWaitWhat said:

I'm fully aware of that psychological saying of if god talks back you are psychotic. But that is basically saying people like moses were just psychotic when they heard the lords voice. I also do admit that a lot of the people you see on the news who say god told me to shoot up a building or commit some other sin aren't hearing gods voice but are indeed psychotic. However what if you can ask god questions, he responds in your mind and the answers align with the bible hence you aren't psychotic? It's only when we don't know what the bible says and try to talk to god and listen and get responses that aren't biblical that people get in trouble.

Or for instance you ask jesus questions and get responses and google the answer and find out they are true? I'm not going to go into any detail with my experiences but I would just like to hear what other christians think. I'm expecting people to say that anyone who asks god a question and gets a response back is psychotic. Because this is what they are taught. But if you really believe the bible theres no reason why we couldn't communicate with the lord on the daily like they did in the bible.

We are indeed told to fellowship with the lord and that involves more than just prayer and us doing all the talking. Sometimes we gotta listen as well.

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God has rarely spoken to man using a human voice or about the issues we would like but if one walks with God the communication is 24/7 at a thought level.

aiki said:

I don't make the charge frivolously.

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Hmmm, it's more of my concern whether you have prayed to receive His explicit permission first. He has instructed me to request for your answer to that question before submitting any more response to you.

Serving Zion said:

Hmmm, it's more of my concern whether you have prayed to receive His explicit permission first. He has instructed me to request for your answer to that question before submitting any more response to you.

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Interesting. Odd, but interesting. I doubt very much that God has instructed you about anything - except in His word. If He has instructed you in some other way, tell me how you have determined that you aren't merely imagining God's instruction and/or aren't being deceived by a demonic counterfeit.

I am not hostage to your "instructions from God." If you want to deflect my points by this peculiar but obvious tactic, go ahead. If you wish to continue talking, great. If not, also great. Whatever you think you're up for.

I don't need a voice in my head, or some impression or sensation, or some peculiar confluence of events to persuade me to defend the truth of God's word. I believe that His truth is vital and worth defending and so I post in this thread the things I have.

"I must pray about it," is often a stalling tactic, the manuever of one unwilling to obey what God has clearly said in His word to do. Is this you? Are you using the "I must pray about it" tactic to avoid a discussion that might challenge and perhaps expose your mistaken thinking about God's truth? It sorta' looks like it to me...

Selah.

aiki said:

Interesting. Odd, but interesting. I doubt very much that God has instructed you about anything - except in His word. If He has instructed you in some other way, tell me how you have determined that you aren't merely imagining God's instruction and/or aren't being deceived by a demonic counterfeit.

I am not hostage to your "instructions from God." If you want to deflect my points by this peculiar but obvious tactic, go ahead. If you wish to continue talking, great. If not, also great. Whatever you think you're up for.

I don't need a voice in my head, or some impression or sensation, or some peculiar confluence of events to persuade me to defend the truth of God's word. I believe that His truth is vital and worth defending and so I post in this thread the things I have.

"I must pray about it," is often a stalling tactic, the manuever of one unwilling to obey what God has clearly said in His word to do. Is this you? Are you using the "I must pray about it" tactic to avoid a discussion that might challenge and perhaps expose your mistaken thinking about God's truth? It sorta' looks like it to me...

Selah.

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Actually aiki, I am rather very conscious of the importance of obedience to The Lord, when I am a representative to speak in a public capacity in His name (Matthew 12:36).

I have learned that it is of vital importance to seek His advice before submitting a public statement in His name, to ensure that I do not presumptuously speak such that He will be forced to find fault.

I am comfortable that I have acquired enough evidence to determine that you are not directly claiming the authority of being personally instructed by God, to correct me nor challenge His advice to me.

I thank you for your contribution to this discussion, and I hope in future we will be united in Christ Jesus.

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Serving Zion said:

I have learned that it is of vital importance to seek His advice before submitting a public statement in His name, to ensure that I do not presumptuously speak such that He will be forced to find fault.

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This is just a pious-sounding way of avoiding challenges to your thinking and beliefs. I don't think its fooling anyone - except, perhaps, yourself.

Serving Zion said:

I am comfortable that I have acquired enough evidence to determine that you are not directly claiming the authority of being personally instructed by God, to correct me nor challenge His advice to me.

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I am personally instructed by God on every page of my Bible. How about you? And He tells me in His word to beware of false teachings and teachers and to expose and challenge them wherever I encounter them. And so I have.

Selah.

vinsight4u said:

Just usually going on about the day and God speaks to me or danger or such. I was not thinking about it. The message time comes with such Authority! You no longer at those
moments have your own thoughts, but are busy heeding the message to you.

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And how do you know these thoughts are from God? The devil counterfeits God all the time. How do you tell the counterfeit from what is actually of God?

vinsight4u said:

Sometimes I ask Him questions as we talk and then move to action. At time, this action will make no sense to me, but then I see why.
examples:

told to leave a room just a bit before the sliding glass door was shattered by a rock from a guy trimming

told to slow down on a scooter - and then a deer leaped in front of me

told to lower the price on a computer I was selling by 100 dollars-this caused the same amount of discount later on mine at Best Buy/
It caused such commotion in the store that it turned into a time of witnessing about Him.

Maybe always hear my name called out first.

much more

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I've had non-believers tell me similar stories of premonitions and "feelings" that kept them from harm or when followed caused them good fortune. Can they, too, claim divine leading? If so, on what basis?

Selah.

ImAllLikeOkWaitWhat said:

In general in society even among christians other christians will think you are crazy if you say that god talks to you. It is very controversial and if anyone doubts it go up to a random person and say "God talks to me" you will be labeled crazy.

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vinsight4u said:

Have never opened the Bible or ran to read it to see if the message from God made sense.

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Then you are setting yourself up to be deceived. If you have no objective means of assessing what is and isn't from God (like the Bible) then you are going to be led astray.

vinsight4u said:

not sure just to where now, but out going about when I know God spoke to me. I looked up at the sky -and asked Him, what Lord.

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Again, how did you know it was God speaking to you? Why couldn't it have been the devil training you to think his counterfeit was the real thing? He does that, you know.

vinsight4u said:

Yet, knew this was all of God, so told Him that I would not just go in and look around, instead, I would announce loudly as I opened the door what had been happening back earlier on whatever sidewalk it was. Speaking as to there must be a Bible CD in here, because God spoke to me and told me you have it. A guy took me right to it and I just kept telling my story in there for a bit. People were listening, customers and more. Told of my calling back at 15 and how God let me know that I would use that Bible program in my job for Him.

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How did you know this was all of God?

It's just not particularly remarkable that you purchased a Bible CD in a Radio Shack store. Now, if God had told you to go fishing so that you could catch a fish inside of which a Bible CD would be, well, now that would be remarkable! Of course, then, I would want proof of such a remarkable event, not just your say-so.

How do I know you aren't just full of baloney? You can be almost anything on the 'net, right? You can make any claim you like. Why should I believe your claims? I don't know you from Adam. Do you see the problem with an anonymous stranger making claims to me about strange "leadings" of God?

Selah.

ImAllLikeOkWaitWhat said:

How do you tell twins apart? You get to know them. They may look alike sound a like and even act a like in some ways but you know the difference between them.

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But this difference isn't just an impression or a purely subjective thing but is recognized on the basis of concrete, objective distinctions in manner, or voice, or personality, or appearance (different hair cut, or clothing, etc.).

ImAllLikeOkWaitWhat said:

Likewise you know your enemy and you know your God.

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God and my Enemy, the devil, are not twins. Not even close.

ImAllLikeOkWaitWhat said:

I would be lying if I were to tell you I haven't been fooled before by thinking I was receiving a message from God when it was from the enemy.

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I have met many believers who have made the same admission. Hence, my great skepticism about "hearing from God."

ImAllLikeOkWaitWhat said:

The more you understand Gods word the less likely something like this will happen.

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I agree. I can trust God's word far more than some subjective impression, or sensation, or voice in my head.

ImAllLikeOkWaitWhat said:

Reading the bible is extremely important but so is communicating with God on a personal level.

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Certainly. But God's communication to me is primarily through the Bible. He may speak to me directly, but this is the exception, I believe, not the rule. He has already given me His word that "thoroughly furnishes me unto all good work," so expecting some two-way inner dialogue with Him is both unnecessary and leaves me open to counterfeit and error.

ImAllLikeOkWaitWhat said:

I will end this by saying Reading the bible has value but so does communicating with God which you don't seem to believe.

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Oh, I believe communicating with God is enormously important! How that is accomplished is where you and I differ. I have yet to find a person who claims God speaks to them directly, apart from His word, who is not reduced to "I just know" when pressed to explain how they know He is. But this is the very same claim a Hindu, or Muslim, or Zoroastrian, or Mormon could make about their interactions with the divine. Do you see the problem?

Selah.

My sheep hear my voice.

roamer_1 said:

My sheep hear my voice.

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Yes, they do. I hear His voice in every page of my Bible.

Selah.

aiki said:

Yes, they do. I hear His voice in every page of my Bible.

Selah.

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Good 'nuff I guess.

ImAllLikeOkWaitWhat said:

I know you seem to think speaking with God and listening to God is dangerous but nothing can replace having God in my life in a way I cant get from pages alone.

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That's right... I am not real good at keeping a steady flame. I am either on pilot light or it's fireworks. One thing that gives me is a perspective: When I am in pilot light mode, I can't hear him anymore.

I feel real pity for those whose outlook is so bent by science that they can no longer sense the supernatural... The difference between a pencil sketch and an oil painting...

*thumbs up*