Women Pastors part 2

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Not necessarily. The remaining silent is in the context of teaching men in the church. Telling a man at the grocery store that Jesus Christ rose from the dead doesn't fit the context.

It doesn't say that in context. It simply says "must be silent" (in church/temple being applied to context). Check the scripture again to be sure, I've read it and re-read it several times now, and I'm failing to see it from your view.
 
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But then, neither does a man, in any healthy understanding of pastoring or any other leadership. To require or force submission is a form of spiritual abuse.

My use of the word "require" has nothing to do with force or abuse of any kind and you most likely fully know that was not my suggestion.

Your use of the words "spiritual abuse" indicate your mindset - there is nothing wrong with the exercise of proper spiritual authority.

Based on your response to the use of the word require as it pertains to a relationship I feel confident you are not married.
 
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If women Pastors are only allowed to teach other women and children should they ask grown men to leave ? Why do men follow women Pastors anyway? Should the men be blamed for allowing a woman to teach them scripture and usurp male authority as church leaders? If this thread doesn't go in this forum could the mods please move it?

What age in the Bible is a person a man? I've heard people say young man as young as 15 or 16 years old.
 
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Women can be a messengers. But she never tought anyone about anything.
So I take it, a woman is allowed to convey a message that she has been given to convey, she is allowed to convey the report of her experience and what it has meant to her, but she is not allowed to make anything up.
Please show me one verse.
OK. Here are ten.
Luke 1:46 And Mary said,
‘My soul magnifies the Lord,
Luke 1:47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Saviour,
Luke 1:48 for he has looked with favour on the lowliness of his servant.
Surely, from now on all generations will call me blessed;​
Luke 1:49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me,
and holy is his name.​
Luke 1:50 His mercy is for those who fear him
from generation to generation.​
Luke 1:51 He has shown strength with his arm;
he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts.​
Luke 1:52 He has brought down the powerful from their thrones,
and lifted up the lowly;​
Luke 1:53 he has filled the hungry with good things,
and sent the rich away empty.​
Luke 1:54 He has helped his servant Israel,
in remembrance of his mercy,​
Luke 1:55 according to the promise he made to our ancestors,
to Abraham and to his descendants for ever.’
and here comes another one:
Titus 2:3 Likewise, tell the older women to be reverent in behaviour, not to be slanderers or slaves to drink; they are to teach what is good,​
God created male and female. As you wrote correctly
Thank you, I wrote as I intended and I didn't include the passage but I will now for clarity as it seems you are conflagrating the first and second accounts of creation, which was not my intent. I have marked the verse in blue, but have placed it in the context of the surrounding verses. I feel that the force of the passage here is an absolute mutuality and oneness of the creation of the species, and God speaks to 'them'. Whilst it tells us about us, it predominantly tells us about God. Unlike the account in Genesis 2, there is no sense of differentiation in the creation of men and women, they are created together, and that seems intended in order to sustain the reflection of the image and likeness of God.
Genesis 1:24-31 - The Sixth Day
And God said, ‘Let the earth bring forth living creatures of every kind: cattle and creeping things and wild animals of the earth of every kind.’ And it was so. God made the wild animals of the earth of every kind, and the cattle of every kind, and everything that creeps upon the ground of every kind. And God saw that it was good.

Then God said, ‘Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.’
So God created humankind in his image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

God blessed them, and God said to them, ‘Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.’ God said, ‘See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.’ And it was so. God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.​

A man is not a female.
Thank you for that. It is a very helpful piece of information. I think in the context of the passage we are discussing it probably reminds us of the importance of our mutuality. Maybe the implication of this is that without Men and Women in teaching roles in the church we are not being presented with the full picture as God intended, maybe we need both to ensure the reflection of the image and likeness. Thank you very much, I think you have really helped my thinking on this important matter.
we are perfekt.
I love this quote. I think in three words you have summed up so much of what it has to tell is in the Genesis creation accounts. I am going to make a banner of it, which I will share in the media library because it is such a great summary of it all. Thank you again very much.
WeArePerfekt.jpg
 
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When I see an argument that reflects the "desires" of men it makes me wonder if they believe the Bible or just go on their "feelings" about God. The Bible is the Word of God. Inspired, breathed, literal. If it is not in scripture then it is just our opinion. We all are given roles and responsibilities by God for a reason. If all the women at our church believe the Bible and it is very clear that women are not to be pastors according to scripture which supports their understanding, then how can it be so convoluted? How can you not believe this unless you have not studied the scriptures yourself? Serving God, living Christ like, teaching the children and other women with love and humility..., there are plenty of ways to be Christian. But to be the leader of the Church is not for women to do. It is the "responsibility" of men and it is given by God and it is clearly repeated in many ways that men are to be the leaders of the church and the leader of the home. To fulfill God's directions is not an insult to His creation and purpose. My wife often says she does not envy the responsibility given to me by almighty God. It is a burden I welcome but sometimes it is very heavy. She is my helpmeet. Not my pastor.
 
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When I see an argument that reflects the "desires" of men it makes me wonder if they believe the Bible or just go on their "feelings" about God. The Bible is the Word of God. Inspired, breathed, literal. If it is not in scripture then it is just our opinion. We all are given roles and responsibilities by God for a reason. If all the women at our church believe the Bible and it is very clear that women are not to be pastors according to scripture which supports their understanding, then how can it be so convoluted? How can you not believe this unless you have not studied the scriptures yourself? Serving God, living Christ like, teaching the children and other women with love and humility..., there are plenty of ways to be Christian. But to be the leader of the Church is not for women to do. It is the "responsibility" of men and it is given by God and it is clearly repeated in many ways that men are to be the leaders of the church and the leader of the home. To fulfill God's directions is not an insult to His creation and purpose. My wife often says she does not envy the responsibility given to me by almighty God. It is a burden I welcome but sometimes it is very heavy. She is my helpmeet. Not my pastor.
According to your interpretation of scripture.
 
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What age in the Bible is a person a man? I've heard people say young man as young as 15 or 16 years old.
Probably younger than that. I'm pretty sure that someone will answer your question.
 
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Probably younger than that. I'm pretty sure that someone will answer your question.

Did men having spiritual authority exist only after the Fall? This article implies that it is an aspect of masculinity.

Are angels male or female?

Gender in language, then, is not to be understood strictly in terms of sexuality. Rather, the masculine gender pronouns applied to spirit beings throughout Scripture are more a reference to authority than to sex. God always refers to Himself in the masculine. The Holy Spirit is never described as an “it.” God is personal and authoritative—thus, the personal pronouns in the masculine gender. It would simply be inappropriate to refer to heavenly beings as anything other than masculine because of the authority God has granted to them to wield His power (2 Kings 19:35), carry His messages (Luke 2:10), and represent Him on earth.
 
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What age in the Bible is a person a man? I've heard people say young man as young as 15 or 16 years old.
The better question would be at what age does a boy become a man. Remember that not all persons become men, over 50% of them become women.
 
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Would you say high school age is physically a man/woman or something in between?
According to Jewish law, when Jewish boys become 13 years old, they become accountable for their actions and become a bar mitzvah.
 
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According to Jewish law, when Jewish boys become 13 years old, they become accountable for their actions and become a bar mitzvah.

The Age of Accountability is 7; Bar Mitzvah rather represents sufficient maturity to have an Aliyah, etc.
 
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