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Do you ever do something for love that you knew would accomplish no purpose? Have you ever done something for someone KNOWING they would not respond? It is because of love.

For example, have you ever offered a child a reward for good behavior, but you already KNOW that the child will not comply? It is offered, the other way- but you KNOW based on the child's demeanor, that he is not going to choose the better path.

Can't say that I have actually...and if I did, I could only assume my actions would solely be for a teaching lesson later: "Remember when I gave you that chance and you didn't take it?"

Is this how God can condemn those "prepared for destruction" (Romans 9) and still be called righteous?
 
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Can't say that I have actually...and if I did, I could only assume my actions would solely be for a teaching lesson later: "Remember when I gave you that chance and you didn't take it?"

Is this how God can condemn those "prepared for destruction" (Romans 9) and still be called righteous?
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Comparing a man made whistle and a being that is all mater, time and space may be a little different.
The Holy Spirit is a conduit, used to draw people to Him. He is not faulty, but a dog whistle is. I can think of nothing perfect to compare God the Spirit to- He is incomparable. Any analogy would be faulty.
 
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Can't say that I have actually...and if I did, I could only assume my actions would solely be for a teaching lesson later: "Remember when I gave you that chance and you didn't take it?"

Is this how God can condemn those "prepared for destruction" (Romans 9) and still be called righteous?
U R a moderator? Give me a break...
 
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Is this how God can condemn those "prepared for destruction" (Romans 9) and still be called righteous?

Everyone could end up as "those prepared for destruction", and everyone could end up as "those prepared for glory". Just because God knows the outcome, doesn't take away our choices in life. Just because I know my dad very well, I know which car he will buy, does that mean I have decided it for him?
 
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Everyone could end up as "those prepared for destruction, and everyone could end up as "those prepared for glory". Just because God knows the outcome, doesn't take away our choices in life. Just because I know my dad very well, I know which car he will buy, does that mean I have decided it for him?

You're basically saying that, as a Father, God lets His creations run out into the street to get hit by traffic solely as to not impede on their free will.
 
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No man CAN come to me unless the Father draws him. Look at the draw in the greek, and then understand that we do in fact come to Him, but ONLY because He is pulling us, like someone draws water from a well. Not through persuasion, but through regeneration.

New creatures do new things.
Hello Jimmy.

Do people resist God, drawing people to Himself?

Is God drawing all humanity to Himself?
 
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You're basically saying that, as a Father, God lets His creations run out into the street to get hit by traffic solely as to not impede on their free will.

Why do you think the world looks like it does? God is letting us choose. God doesn't want us to run out into the street. He is calling on us, but at the same time he is not twisting our arms.
 
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Why do you think the world looks like it does? God is letting us choose. God doesn't want us to run out into the street. He is calling on us, but at the same time he is not twisting our arms.

Wow...does that sound like a good father to you? Would you let your children run into the street to be killed? Your comments and position make God seem very powerless and either unable or unwilling to be a Father to His Children.

The Bible says though:

1 John 5:18
We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them.

God protects His children, very actively so indeed.
 
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Why did Jesus talk to people about the kingdom of God, that he knew wouldn't listen? ;)

Because there was always that one who did! Can you find me a passage where Jesus preached and NO ONE responded?

...and maybe to rightfully and justly condemn the rest that never would.
 
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Wow...does that sound like a good father to you? Would you let your children run into the street to be killed? Your comments and position make God seem very powerless and either unable or unwilling to be a Father to His Children.

The Bible says though:

1 John 5:18
We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them.

God protects His children, very actively so indeed.

Yet good Christians get murdered. His apostles were martyred ... God let stuff happen, not because he wants it to happen. But because this place is not heaven. I don't know why he isn't always interfering. Do you?
 
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Because there was always that one who did! Can you find me a passage where Jesus preached and NO ONE responded?

...and maybe to rightfully and justly condemn the rest that never would.

One person I came to think of right away was Pontius Pilate.
 
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Do you ever do something for love that you knew would accomplish no purpose? Have you ever done something for someone KNOWING they would not respond? It is because of love.

This is very beautiful what you are saying Galatea! This is the essence of the cross. The sacrifice of Jesus for all people, even those that never ever will believe inte him. That's the most awesome LOVE!
 
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Why do you think Jesus was not omniscient in His incarnation?
He could have been, after his Baptism though, but Doesn't seem to be completely in the OT, but, that's debatable also, I am doing further study on it right now so as to try to know for sure...?

God Bless!
 
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Yes, just like a parent would love a child that will NOT listen, and will NOT accept a reward, and goes his own way.

Would a loving parent send their child to hell, as in literal "eternal torment" Hell?
 
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One person I came to think of right away was Pontius Pilate.

When did Pilate ever hear the Gospel? I know he heard the crowd chanting to crucify Him and to give them Barabbas instead. I don't recall him ever hearing the Gospel though.
 
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