7th March 2003 at 02:40 AM parousia70 said this in Post #122
Matthew 23:5-8 is Jesus' prophecy about the last days. Verse 5 is about the innumerable number of evangelists and televangelists that will sprout towards the end of the world.
First of all, The Bible infallibly claims that the 1st century WAS the "LAST DAYS".
Secondly, Please show where Jesus says anything about "Televangelists", and please show how 1st century Christians could have understood it.
The Bible does NOT claim that the 1st century WAS the "LAST DAYS." On the CONTRARY, the Bible teaches that there are THREE dispensation of times:
in the past, God spoke to our fathers directly, then by the prophets, and in "these last days" God SPOKE to us by His Son (Hebrews 1:1-2).
These "LAST DAYS" will END with the second coming of Christ (Matt. 24:3; cf. 2 Peter 3:7,10).
Matthew 24:5 is a prophecy which tells of people coming "in Jesus' name" saying, "I am THE Christ" and will DECEIVE many.
Does the Bible speak of many people who came "in Jesus name" saying "I am the Christ" BEFORE Christ"s alleged second coming in 70 AD? Can you show how the disciples understood what Jesus said? Do you have any other explanation for this verse?
Have you ever tried burning food in a skillet? The food is burned by the skillet remains intact, right? Well, that's probably what will happen to the earth that NOW exists. Apostle Peter says "the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and athe works that are in it will be burned up" (2 Peter 3:10).
So you are saying that the "New earth" will actually be this same earth we are on today, instead of a "replacement" earth?
You Must, since you believe the Earth that Noah was on is the same earth as the one we reside on today, even though Peter claims Noah was on a DIFFERENT earth than the one HE was on.
While it is true that the earth that was flooded is still the same earth that we are on today (although the face of the earth might have been CHANGED by the flood), the earth that now exist and the works that are in it will be burned up and will eventually be the lake of fire.
And a new heaven and a new earth
WITHOUT sea will REPLACE the first heaven and earth (Rev. 21:1).
I don't believe any LIVING human being will survive the day of judgment unless they are "caught up together with the RISEN dead "IN" Christ in the clouds to meet the Lord Jesus in the air" (1 Thes. 4:16-17).
Then How do you explain the existance of Sinners, adulterers, murderers, liars and fornicators on the "New earth"? (Rev 21-22, Isaiah 51)
Rev. 21:7 talks of people who are "IN" Christ (1 Thes. 4:16-17) who will inherit the things described in Rev. 21:1-6.
Rev. 21:8 talks of people whose names are NOT found written in the book of life who will be cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:15).
Rev. 22:14 talks of people who will ENTER the kingdom of God because they OBEYED the COMMANDMENTS of God by DOING His WILL (Matt. 7:21), ENTERED the fold (John 10:9) and MEET Jresus in the air when he comes (1 Thes. 4:16-17).
Rev. 22:15 talks of people who will NOT enter the kingdom of God but will be CAST into the lakre of fire because their names are NOT found written in the book of life (Rev. 21:8; REv. 20:15).
If ALL prophecy has been fulfilled in ad 70, HOW is the Bible relevant for us today BECAUSE it was written "for" us?
So you believe the "Everalsting gospel" will be of no use to you after Judgement day?
The Bible calls the Gospel "Everlasting", yet Ed says one day he won't need it.
wow.
Obviously, you don't know what the "gospel" is all about. FYI, the "gospel" is about the kingdom (Matt. 4:23; Matt. 9:35). And Jesus said that the "gospel of the kingdom" will be preached in all the world... and then the END will come (Matt. 24:14).
Thus, if Jesus truly CAME in 70 AD, there would no longer be a NEED to preach the "gospel of the kingdom" because everyone who is "IN" Christ (those who are in the kingdom) would NOW be with Jesus (1 Thes. 4:16-17) and the rest of the DEAD will NOT live again UNTIL the 1000 years is finished (Rev. 20:5).
And because the tabernacle of God will be with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God (Rev. 21:3)....,
why would one NEED the Bible, AFTER the second coming of Christ?
What are the lessons of the flood good for if the last trumpet HAS already sounded and my CHANCE to become INCORRUPTIBLE and IMMORTAL has PASSED me by because I was born AFTER 70 AD? Is there a verse which says that I still have HOPE for that?
Ed, as I said, Why hope for something you already have?
Do you know what IMMORTAL means P70? It means that one who is IMMORTAL does NOT die. Apostle Paul wrote that AT the SOUND of the last trumpet, we shall NOT all sleep but we shall ALL be CHANGED from CORRUPTIBLE to INCORRUPTIBLE, from MORTAL to IMMORTAL (1 Cor. 15:51-53).
Are you now IMMORTAL P70?
Are you telling me that you and I are ALREADY changed from being corruptible to INCORRUPTIBLE or from being mortal to being IMMORTAL (1 Cor. 15:51-53)?
Why yes I am. We have been changed
positionally. You and I have eternal Life right now Ed. There is no waiting. Whoever believes in Him and lives SHALL NEVER DIE.
As Jasus Said to Martha, I now say to you:
"Believest thou this"?
I do.
P70
These verses do NOT say anything about being changed "positionally." BTW, please tell me again what you mean by "changed positionally."
Anyway, it does NOT sound to me like being CHANGED from corruptibility to INCORRUPTIBILITY or changed from being mortal to being IMMORTAL, does it?
Ed