Why do some Christians believe homosexual sin is worse than others?

Homosexuality is no worse then the people who sit back and gossip about the homosexuals. No worse than the liars who say one thing to your face and talk bad about you behind your back. The people who sit in judgement, pointing out the speck in your eye when they have a beam in their eye. Judge not lest you be judged. Homosexuality is not right but it is also not right to sit in judgement of any sinner. I knew a homosexual who was the choir director at church for 20 years. Came in every Sunday never missed a day and never took a pay check. How can people gossip about him when they are on the hone all night gossiping about every member of the church and come in on Sunday with a wikid hangover from drinking all night. We all struggle and no sin is special but murder.

Homosexuality is THE VERY WORST POSSIBLE SIN, transgression through perversion thereof of the absolute divine LOVE of God, sin against the body and love, against the LOVE that should bring us neigh unto God.

It is sin against the Spirit of God, the "female and male" image of God in which we are created. Like Jesus said, from the beginning a man was created to be one flesh with a woman, a woman one flesh with a man.
This is GODS' DIVINE LOVE-WILL.

And to utterly distort it in the manner of "a man lay with a man" (perish the thought!), is to totally reject the grounds of Holy Spirit we were meant to experience.

To continue to reject God in such a manner may amount to blasphemy and hence be THE SIN AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT that Scripture suggests is probably unforgivable.

Of course any sin persistently engaged in may be in the end be the equivalent of utter rejection of God's Spirit, extinguishing any glimpse of desire for His Presence. And hence any possibility of being in relation to God, now and for eternity. Especially if the sin itself is directly against true love, love and the truth of Love.

Tetra said:

I'm not saying if it's wrong or not, that's between God and others. However, being attracted to the same sex isn't a choice, I didn't choose to be heterosexual, I just am.

I also made this thread to explain why...
Homosexuality & Preference Options

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Actually, Christ teaches that it is a choice:
Romans 1
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."
It is laid out pretty clearly there - exchanged, unnatural,shameful acts.

Mrs.PGL said:

Actually, Christ teaches that it is a choice:
Romans 1
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."
It is laid out pretty clearly there - exchanged, unnatural,shameful acts.

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Incorrect... this is just bad exegesis.

CF3 said:

I personally think God is perfect. Not many, even Christians really do. I feel God chose evolution because God is all knowing, super intelligent and always and forever will do what's right and perfect. Do we know that God didn't choose homosexuality as a form of population control(example). Why do we feel we know more than God and God needs us to correct his mistakes? Didn't God take care of everything, always? God never asked us to fix his mistakes(if he really had any). He only gave us 10 simple(!) laws or commandments and he took care of the rest. I suppose if he was wrong, we could fix his screw-ups or we could just follow his laws and be done(better I think). How hard are the commandments? No, God never asked us to fight homosexuality for him. Never asked us to fix anything for him....

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Acts 20: 28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.

Then there is the Great Commission:
Matthew 28:16-20English Standard Version (ESV)
The Great Commission
16 Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. 17 And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted.18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

Lastly, God did not make anyone homosexual
James 1:13 New International Version
When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;

Tetra said:

Incorrect... this is just bad exegesis.

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2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. 3 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband." Anything else is a bad choice

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I suspect you understand nothing that you speak about in reference to this. Homosexuality is listed by Christ as "unnatural" - hence, it is a choice. A worse sin? I don't know, but definitely a choice.

netzone23 said:

I work with two Christians who seem to think that homosexual sin is worse than others. Let me give you a quick backstory to what I'm talking about. I work in a bakery for 5 years and the bakery has three cake decorators 2 of them are Christians. We had a gay couple place a order for a wedding cake. Both of cake decorators who are Christians refused to make the wedding cake for the gay couple. They told the owner they will not make a wedding cake for people who live in sin and marriage is between a man and woman. The non-christian cake decorated made the wedding cake...so no problem.

Here is my issue both cake decorators have made cakes that involved people living in sin. For example they made a 5 year anniversary cake for a straight couple. One of the decorators asked if they plan on getting married? The man ordering the cake told her that he doesn't believe in marriage because its tied to religion and doesn't plan on ever getting married. So the christian decorator had no issues making that cake. If i'm correct these two people would be living in sin?

My last example is a man who divorced his wife and married her sister (his sister in law). First time he got married he used our bakery as well as the second time. If I'm correct the couple getting married would also be living in sin?

So the two Christians who I work with seem to think that the sin of homosexuals is worse than normal sin. I pointed out to one of the decorators that she is not performing the marriage ceremony she is just making a cake. She told me that by making the cake she would be helping them take part in sin. I debated with both decorators that sin is sin. The way both of them talked it seems like being gay is the worse sin of all. I pointed out about the guy divorcing his wife and they told me that being gay is worse than being divorced.

I personally believe that making a cake for someone isn't a big deal and I am a Christian. It's not like I'm performing the marriage ceremony. Am I wrong to think its not a big deal to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. A few other Christians I spoke to about this seem to think that being gay is almost as bad as murder! I tried to explain that sin is sin and they didn't seem to understand.

Just so everyone knows I believe being gay is a sin and is wrong. But if sin is sin why make this one seem so much worse?

I was wondering what's everyone's view on this?

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First things first fornication, adultery and homosexuality are all sins and any of those sins will indeed keep you out of heaven. As for the cake decorators they were absolutely wrong and are guilty of those sins they knowingly supported. It is foolishness like this that gives Christians a bad name and rightly so. So the only thing that verifies my post are these verses.


1 Cor 6:9-11 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor wantons, nor buggerers, ( Homosexuality in 18th-cent. England: Dictionary Definitions )
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified, in the Name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Gal 5:16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 1:9-11
9 Knowing this, that the Law is not given unto a righteous man, but unto the lawless and disobedient, to the ungodly, and to sinners, to the unholy, and to the profane, to murderers of fathers and mothers, to manslayers,
10 To whoremongers, to buggerers (Homosexuality in 18th-cent. England: Dictionary Definitions), to menstealers, to liars, to the perjured, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to wholesome doctrine,
11 Which is according to the glorious Gospel of the blessed God, which is committed unto me.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
10 And in all deceivableness of unrighteousness, among them that perish, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And therefore God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe lies,
12 That all they might be damned which believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

I myself would have asked the two "christian" bakers to justify what they did in each instance using the bible of their choice.

Tetra said:

Or one man and many women... consider Martin Luther's words:

"I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter"

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I would never consider what a mans opinion on a marriage was knowing it's already defined in God's word.

Matthew 19:4-5
4. And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning, made them male and female,
5.And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?


Mark 10:6-7
6. But at the beginning of the creation God made them male and female:
7.For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;


Ephesians 5:31
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

1 Corinthians 11:11
Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

Leviticus 21:13
And he shall take a wife in her virginity.

Proverbs 18:22
Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD.

Proverbs 19:14
House and riches are the inheritance of fathers: and a prudent wife is from the LORD.


1 Cor 7:4-7
1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me, It were good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
3 Let the husband give unto the wife due benevolence, and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
4 The wife hath not the power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not the power of his own body, but the wife.

Please take note these verses and many more say WIFE not WIVES.

BornAgainChristian1 said:

I would never consider what a mans opinion on a marriage was knowing it's already defined in God's word.

Matthew 19:4-5
4. And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning, made them male and female,
5.And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?


Mark 10:6-7
6. But at the beginning of the creation God made them male and female:
7.For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;


Ephesians 5:31
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

1 Corinthians 11:11
Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

Leviticus 21:13
And he shall take a wife in her virginity.

Proverbs 18:22
Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD.

Proverbs 19:14
House and riches are the inheritance of fathers: and a prudent wife is from the LORD.


1 Cor 7:4-7
1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me, It were good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
3 Let the husband give unto the wife due benevolence, and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
4 The wife hath not the power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not the power of his own body, but the wife.

Please take note these verses and many more say WIFE not WIVES.

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amen Luther was very good on some things and wayyyyy off on others

Tetra said:

No one who's taken hermeneutics would make your claims.

I suspect you're a troll.

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I'm curious if the moderators know how you are abusing the rules and attacking a Christian continually and calling them a troll when you don't like the answers they give you? Perhaps this should be brought to the moderators attention? Or you could stop replying in such a disrespectful manner?

Mrs.PGL said:

I suspect you understand nothing that you speak about in reference to this. Homosexuality is listed by Christ as "unnatural" - hence, it is a choice. A worse sin? I don't know, but definitely a choice.

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Mrs.PGL said:

Actually, Christ teaches that it is a choice:
Romans 1

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Well we can always start off with that fact you believe it's Christ who is teaching us in the book of Romans.

Crazy me, I always thought it was Paul...

CF3 said:

I personally think God is perfect. Not many, even Christians really do. I feel God chose evolution because God is all knowing, super intelligent and always and forever will do what's right and perfect. Do we know that God didn't choose homosexuality as a form of population control(example). Why do we feel we know more than God and God needs us to correct his mistakes? Didn't God take care of everything, always? God never asked us to fix his mistakes(if he really had any). He only gave us 10 simple(!) laws or commandments and he took care of the rest. I suppose if he was wrong, we could fix his screw-ups or we could just follow his laws and be done(better I think). How hard are the commandments? No, God never asked us to fight homosexuality for him. Never asked us to fix anything for him....

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But God did command us NOT to support or condone their behavior and yes God also said they deserve death.

2 Thess 3:6-7 6Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

Eph 5:11-13 11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and separate yourselves, saith the Lord, and touch none unclean thing, and I will receive you.

1 Timothy 6:5
Froward disputations of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, which think that gain is godliness: from such separate thyself.

2 Corinthians 6:14
Be not unequally yoked with the infidels: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

See verse 32 below

Romans 1 21-32
21 Because that when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful, but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was full of darkness.
22 When they professed themselves to be wise, they became fools.
23 For they turned the glory of the incorruptible God to the similitude of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and four footed beasts, and of creeping things.
24 Wherefore also God gave them up to their hearts lusts, unto uncleanness, to defile their own bodies between themselves:
25 Which turned the truth of God unto a lie, and worshipped and served the creature, forsaking the Creator which is blessed forever, Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Colossians 3:5
Mortify therefore your members which are on the earth, fornication, uncleanness, the inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness which is idolatry.

1 Samuel 15: 1 Samuel
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and transgression is wickedness and idolatry. Because thou hast cast away the word of the Lord, therefore he hath cast away thee from being king.

Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Tetra said:

Well we can always start off with that fact you believe it's Christ who is teaching us in the book of Romans.

Crazy me, I always thought it was Paul...

The least you can do when you quote the Bible isn't butcher it as well. lol

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So you are telling me that aren't aware that the Bible is the Word of God...and that Jesus is the Word...or that paul learned by revelation from Jesus for 3 years? 2 Timothy 3:16 ; Galatians 1:11-18

Tetra said:

I'm sorry, this person has to be trolling. There is no way they have studied hermeneutics, and "seem" to be intentionally misquoting scripture. So yeah, I'm calling that out.

Also, which rule did I abuse? I will gladly edit my post if you can show me.

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You have no right to continually call them a troll because your OPINION doesn't make you right and as far as I can see they have been more kind and loving in their answers whereas you're making unfounded accusations. So please edit the word TROLL out of all your posts because it's offensive and unnecessary.

BornAgainChristian1 said:

You have no right to continually call them a troll because your OPINION doesn't make you right and as far as I can see they have been more kind and loving in their answers whereas you're making unfounded accusations. So please edit the word TROLL out of all your posts because it's offensive and unnecessary.

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I'm making that claim because I can't conclude otherwise. I don't care if someone disagrees with me, that's happened on this forum, I'm cool with that.

Note, I said "suspect" they're a troll and/or trolling... if having a suspicion someone is a troll, is abusing the rules, I'll gladly edit my posts. Again, can you please show me where that's the case?

Tetra said:

I'm making that claim because I can't conclude otherwise. I don't care if someone disagrees with me, that's happened on a forum, I'm cool with that.

Note, I said "suspect" they're a troll and/or trolling... if having a suspicion someone is a troll, is abusing the rules, I'll gladly edit my posts. Again, can you please show me where that's the case?

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Not a problem we'll play this foolishness your way.

BornAgainChristian1 said:

Not a problem we'll play this foolishness your way.

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You're the one that accused me of abusing the rules... So again, I'll be more than happy to edit my posts accordingly if you can show me how I have violated them.

Tetra said:

No one who's taken hermeneutics would make your claims.

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Hermeneutics is generally no more than a recent excuse/tool for defending false doctrine.

Well, it is God who characterizes homosexual sex as different. He characterizes homosexual sex as an abomination. There are few sins given that characterization. Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." This particular sin is also called a "vile affections" or "dishonorable passions". It is also called "unnatural."

(Romans 1:26-27) 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

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While fornication and adultery are grave sins, sex with the opposite sex, even if disordered, does not violate natural law. Thus, on this level homosexual sex is worse. On a overall level a grave sexual sin is grave sexual sin.

To make an anniversary cake for homosexual couple is more than supporting sin, as it would be to make the cake for a fornicating heterosexual couple, as it is also supporting an unnatural act, an abomination.

It is God who makes this distinction.

The Catholic Church teaching on homosexual sex is:

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

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We must also remember the following, which pertains in a direct way the making cake issue:

1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:

- by participating directly and voluntarily in them;

- by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;

- by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;

- by protecting evil-doers.

1869 Thus sin makes men accomplices of one another and causes concupiscence, violence, and injustice to reign among them. Sins give rise to social situations and institutions that are contrary to the divine goodness. "Structures of sin" are the expression and effect of personal sins. They lead their victims to do evil in their turn. In an analogous sense, they constitute a "social sin."144

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The homosexual issue has become a "structure of sin" in our society of late. It has become a "social sin" and thus we have an even greater responsibility to assert the Truth.

Kuddos to those individuals and business that take a stand on this.