Who is a Jew or the nation Israel

AbbaLove · Dec 21, 2016

ChavaK said:
Again, Messianics who have a Jewish father or Grandfather are considered by the state to be Gentile and therefore they were being illegally excluded by the state according to the *LOR. It doesn't mean they are accepted as Jews; they remain Gentile.

When Yeshua HaMashiach returns to Jerusalem for His "second citizenship" He won't need to fill out any government paperwork under the *Law Of Return to "make Aliyah"

CherubRam · Dec 21, 2016

The word Jew has been used in a derogatory manner since about 133 AD.

Jew

Isaiah 65:15
You will leave your name to my chosen ones as a curse;(Jew) the Sovereign LORD will put you to death, but to his servants he will give another name. (Christian)

Acts 11:26
and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

CherubRam · Dec 21, 2016

The word “Jew” has become a negative connotation, which has led most people to conclude that it should not be utilized in polite conversation.
However, it is very interesting to note that it is the fulfillment of Isaiah 65:15, and even more interesting is the fact that no one is trying to fulfill that verse.

Isaiah 65:15
You will leave your name to my chosen ones as a curse; the Sovereign LORD will put you to death, but to his servants he will give another name.

Isaiah 65:15
You will leave your name for my chosen ones to use in their curses; the Sovereign LORD will put you to death, but to his servants he will give another name.

Negative connotations for the word “Jew.”
Jew.
Noun:
1. Someone of the Jewish persuasion.
2. A derogatory term for someone who is dishonest, miserly or generally regarded as not being a gentleman.

Verb:
1. To cheat, defraud, dishonest, demanding, liar, thief, sneaky.
2. To expend an excessive amount of time and effort to negotiate the lowest price for something when an ordinary person would be ashamed to do so.
3. An association with those who killed the Messiah. yehu'di or yehu'diy for Jew was used during the life of Jeremiah.

The word "Jew" (in Hebrew, "Yehudi") is derived from the name Judah, which was the name of one of Jacob's twelve sons.

visionary · Dec 21, 2016

CherubRam said:
The word “Jew” has become a negative connotation, which has led most people to conclude that it should not be utilized in polite conversation.
However, it is very interesting to note that it is the fulfillment of Isaiah 65:15, and even more interesting is the fact that no one is trying to fulfill that verse.

Isaiah 65:15
You will leave your name to my chosen ones as a curse; the Sovereign LORD will put you to death, but to his servants he will give another name.

Isaiah 65:15
You will leave your name for my chosen ones to use in their curses; the Sovereign LORD will put you to death, but to his servants he will give another name.

Negative connotations for the word “Jew.”
Jew.
Noun:
1. Someone of the Jewish persuasion.
2. A derogatory term for someone who is dishonest, miserly or generally regarded as not being a gentleman.

Verb:
1. To cheat, defraud, dishonest, demanding, liar, thief, sneaky.
2. To expend an excessive amount of time and effort to negotiate the lowest price for something when an ordinary person would be ashamed to do so.
3. An association with those who killed the Messiah. yehu'di or yehu'diy for Jew was used during the life of Jeremiah.

The word "Jew" (in Hebrew, "Yehudi") is derived from the name Judah, which was the name of one of Jacob's twelve sons.

So why do you hang around here, ... this is so anti-Semitic.... Why are you not posting this kind of attitude in areas where they think like you have presented? I think we should unwelcome such postings.

CherubRam · Dec 21, 2016

visionary said:
So why do you hang around here, ... this is so anti-Semitic.... Why are you not posting this kind of attitude in areas where they think like you have presented? I think we should unwelcome such postings.

I am interested in peoples input, and besides that, don't you find it interesting that the prophecy is being fulfilled? And I do not think anyone had a mind to fulfill the prophecy.

visionary · Dec 22, 2016

You are approaching this from the negative connotations within the prophecies, not for the redemption of His people, but for the scattering.

CherubRam · Dec 22, 2016

visionary said:
You are approaching this from the negative connotations within the prophecies, not for the redemption of His people, but for the scattering.

If you were to start a thread on the same subject how would you go about it? By the way, my best friend growing up was a Hebrew. Both of his parents were Hebrew. Personally I think it would be better for a person to say they are Hebrew. What are your thoughts on that, anyone?

Shibolet · Dec 24, 2016

Who is a Jew or the Nation Israel?

A Jew is any one born of a Jewish mother or converted to Judaism according to Halacha aka Jewish law. (Isaiah 56:1-8) Regarding Israel, it is the Land promised to the Jews by HaShem.

CherubRam · Dec 24, 2016

Shibolet said:
A Jew is any one born of a Jewish mother or converted to Judaism according to Halacha aka Jewish law. (Isaiah 56:1-8) Regarding Israel, it is the Land promised to the Jews by HaShem.

Realistically speaking, anyone can be called a Jew. Did you read post #1?

Open Heart · Dec 24, 2016

visionary said:
So why do you hang around here, ... this is so anti-Semitic.... Why are you not posting this kind of attitude in areas where they think like you have presented? I think we should unwelcome such postings.

vis, you and I are on the same page.

Open Heart · Dec 24, 2016

CherubRam said:
If you were to start a thread on the same subject how would you go about it? By the way, my best friend growing up was a Hebrew. Both of his parents were Hebrew. Personally I think it would be better for a person to say they are Hebrew. What are your thoughts on that, anyone?

Your friend was a Jew, and I'm sure he would think it anti-Semitic of you to refuse to call him a Jew.

Open Heart · Dec 24, 2016

CherubRam said:
Realistically speaking, anyone can be called a Jew. Did you read post #1?

Anyone can be converted/adopted into the People of Israel, but the easiest way to become a Jew is simply to be born a Jew (born of a Jewish mother).
Post #1 was mistaken.

Open Heart · Dec 24, 2016

CherubRam said:
The word “Jew” has become a negative connotation

It depends on who says it. MOST people do not mean it badly. We Jews say the word Jew all the time, and of course it has no negative connotation to us. But yes, a KKK guy says it in a bad way. And since you believe it has only a negative connotation, then when you say it, you mean it in a bad way. But that's the exception to the rule.

CherubRam · Dec 25, 2016

Open Heart said:
Anyone can be converted/adopted into the People of Israel, but the easiest way to become a Jew is simply to be born a Jew (born of a Jewish mother).
Post #1 was mistaken.

I quoted bible scriptures.

CherubRam · Dec 25, 2016

Open Heart said:
It depends on who says it. MOST people do not mean it badly. We Jews say the word Jew all the time, and of course it has no negative connotation to us. But yes, a KKK guy says it in a bad way. And since you believe it has only a negative connotation, then when you say it, you mean it in a bad way. But that's the exception to the rule.

You may be a Jew, but my friend is a Hebrew.

Shibolet · Dec 25, 2016

CherubRam said:
Realistically speaking, anyone can be called a Jew. Did you read post #1?

Realistically speaking and in truth, only those who are born of a Jewish mother or are converted to Judaism according to Halacha can be called Jews. The expression, "Any one can be called a Jew" is a statement bordering on a kind of anti-Jewish grudge.

CherubRam · Dec 25, 2016

Shibolet said:
Realistically speaking and in truth, only those who are born of a Jewish mother or are converted to Judaism according to Halacha can be called Jews. The expression, "Any one can be called a Jew" is a statement bordering on a kind of anti-Jewish grudge.

Alright, you can be a Jew, and everyone else can be a Hebrew.
1 Corinthians 14:21
In the Law it is written: "Through men of strange tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.

Shibolet · Dec 25, 2016

CherubRam said:
Alright, you can be a Jew, and everyone else can be a Hebrew.
1 Corinthians 14:21
In the Law it is written: "Through men of strange tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.

First there were the Hebrews and one of them called Abraham fathered Isaac and Isaac Jacob. From the three Patriarchs, came the Israelites. Many years later the Israelites split between Israel aka Ephraim and Judah. Then from Judah came the Jews. First were the Hebrews, second the Israelites and now we have the Jews according to that sequence; all within the same genealogy. Paul had no connection with this Divine arrangement. So, there is no place here for I Corinthians 14:21. Paul had lost his Jewish identity when he made up one of his own aka Christianity.

gadar perets · Dec 25, 2016

Shibolet said:
Paul had no connection with this Divine arrangement. So, there is no place here for I Corinthians 14:21. Paul had lost his Jewish identity when he made up one of his own aka Christianity.

Paul never lost his identity (Acts 22:3; 2 Corinthians 11:22; Philippians 3:5). You can try and steal it from him if you so choose. Nor did he make up "Christianity" or the derogatory name "Christians".

Shibolet · Dec 25, 2016

gadar perets said:
Paul never lost his identity (Acts 22:3; 2 Corinthians 11:22; Philippians 3:5). You can try and steal it from him if you so choose. Nor did he make up "Christianity" or the derogatory name "Christians".

Are you sure Paul was not responsible for the rise of Chritianity? Read the context to this verse of Acts 11:26. After a whole year preaching his gospel in the Synagogue of Antioch, the members started being called Christians for the first time. That's where Paul threw the foundation stone of Christianity.

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