Why Were Angels Allowed to Intervene in Prediluvian Human affairs

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the "sons of God" in that scripture were angels.
Yes you have asserted that, but since sons of God has several meanings how do you know it is angels in this case. I have also seen people point to a verse
in Jude which really doesn't even support that conclusion either.
 
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Yes you have asserted that, but since sons of God has several meanings how do you know it is angels in this case. I have also seen people point to a verse
in Jude which really doesn't even support that conclusion either.[/QUOTE\]

I understand that you have your belief concerning the scriptures and there are those who agree with you but there are those who disagree with you too and this disagreement has been going on for centuries.None us believe ourselves to be infallible but we all have our beliefs and we all try to reason on the scriptures accurately.That being said none of us should abandon our beliefs or how we reason on the scriptures unless we have been thoroughly convinced we are wrong and no one so far has convinced me i am.

I say that the context of Jude 1:6,7 does concern the angels that sinned in Noah day also the context of 2 peter 2:1-6 concerns angels that sinned and are the sons of God in Genesis 6.Why would God all of sudden here in Genesis mention marriages as something special when marriages had been happening for centuries.How could these Sons of God who some say were humans produce children more unrighteous and violent than unrighteous men marrying unrighteous women.The scriptures show that these Sons of God marrying daughters of men to be unique and producing children who were Giants,men of fame.The context of Genesis 6 clearly show that the Sons of God(angels) mated with women bared children who were Giants men of fame then God says my spirit will not always strive with man and the Sons of God continued to take mates and producing their hybrid offspring(Giants,men of fame)
 
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Yes you have asserted that, but since sons of God has several meanings how do you know it is angels in this case. I have also seen people point to a verse
in Jude which really doesn't even support that conclusion either.
How many creations of beings have been created? If they are not mankind they are angels.
 
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Yes you have asserted that, but since sons of God has several meanings how do you know it is angels in this case. I have also seen people point to a verse
in Jude which really doesn't even support that conclusion either.
How many creations of beings have been created? If they are not mankind they are angels.

The scriptures Job 1:6;Job 38:4-7;Psalm 89:6
kept in context in which they had been written show this phrase "Sons of God" are angels
Who then are “the sons of the true God” mentioned in the account at Genesis 6:2, 4? In harmony with the preceding Biblical facts in the above scriptures, it is logical to conclude that the account is referring to spirit sons of God who came to earth.
Some find it hard to accept that angels might be interested in having sexual relations. Jesus’ words recorded at Matthew 22:30 show that marriage and sex relations do not exist in heaven. Yet, angels have on occasion materialized human bodies, even eating and drinking with men. (Gen. 18:1-8; 19:1-3) Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that in such a materialized form, they could have sexual relations with women.
There are Bible-based reasons for believing that some angels did just that. Jude 6, 7 compares the sin of the men of Sodom, who unnaturally went after flesh, with that of “the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place.” A point in common was that both those angels and the Sodomites “committed fornication excessively and [went] out after flesh for unnatural use.” A similar passage in 1 Peter 3:19, 20 links disobedient angels with “Noah’s days.” 2 Pet. 2:4,5 Consequently, the course that disobedient angels in Noah’s day took can be compared to the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Such a conclusion makes sense when we recognize that “the sons of the true God” mentioned at Genesis 6:2 were angels who materialized bodies and committed immorality with women.
 
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The scriptures Job 1:6;Job 38:4-7;Psalm 89:6
kept in context in which they had been written show this phrase "Sons of God" are angels
Who then are “the sons of the true God” mentioned in the account at Genesis 6:2, 4? In harmony with the preceding Biblical facts in the above scriptures, it is logical to conclude that the account is referring to spirit sons of God who came to earth.
Some find it hard to accept that angels might be interested in having sexual relations. Jesus’ words recorded at Matthew 22:30 show that marriage and sex relations do not exist in heaven. Yet, angels have on occasion materialized human bodies, even eating and drinking with men. (Gen. 18:1-8; 19:1-3) Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that in such a materialized form, they could have sexual relations with women.
There are Bible-based reasons for believing that some angels did just that. Jude 6, 7 compares the sin of the men of Sodom, who unnaturally went after flesh, with that of “the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place.” A point in common was that both those angels and the Sodomites “committed fornication excessively and [went] out after flesh for unnatural use.” A similar passage in 1 Peter 3:19, 20 links disobedient angels with “Noah’s days.” 2 Pet. 2:4,5 Consequently, the course that disobedient angels in Noah’s day took can be compared to the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Such a conclusion makes sense when we recognize that “the sons of the true God” mentioned at Genesis 6:2 were angels who materialized bodies and committed immorality with women.
My point is that we are all (even angels) adopted into God's family. So no one created is a son of God literally. God's Word even says that we have been adopted into God's family.

Ephesians 1:5-6

5 He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One

Romans 8:15
For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!"

1 John 3:1-2

See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.

Romans 8:14
For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

Ephesians 2:19
So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household,
 
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The scriptures Job 1:6;Job 38:4-7;Psalm 89:6
kept in context in which they had been written show this phrase "Sons of God" are angels
Who then are “the sons of the true God” mentioned in the account at Genesis 6:2, 4? In harmony with the preceding Biblical facts in the above scriptures, it is logical to conclude that the account is referring to spirit sons of God who came to earth.
Some find it hard to accept that angels might be interested in having sexual relations. Jesus’ words recorded at Matthew 22:30 show that marriage and sex relations do not exist in heaven. Yet, angels have on occasion materialized human bodies, even eating and drinking with men. (Gen. 18:1-8; 19:1-3) Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that in such a materialized form, they could have sexual relations with women.
There are Bible-based reasons for believing that some angels did just that. Jude 6, 7 compares the sin of the men of Sodom, who unnaturally went after flesh, with that of “the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place.” A point in common was that both those angels and the Sodomites “committed fornication excessively and [went] out after flesh for unnatural use.” A similar passage in 1 Peter 3:19, 20 links disobedient angels with “Noah’s days.” 2 Pet. 2:4,5 Consequently, the course that disobedient angels in Noah’s day took can be compared to the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Such a conclusion makes sense when we recognize that “the sons of the true God” mentioned at Genesis 6:2 were angels who materialized bodies and committed immorality with women.
"Who then are “the sons of the true God” mentioned in the account at Genesis 6:2, 4?" Men who had believed in God but were corrupted by unbelieving women. While Sons of God can refer to angels it has also been used to refer to humans.
 
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I am sorry for the length of what I am going to post, but I will break it u if that helps.
You have to get back to the basics, back to what the bible actually says, in the original Hebrew.

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Genesis 6:1
and it came to pass that the human began to increase in number upon the face of the ground, and daughters were brought forth for them,
Genesis 6:2
and the sons of the Elohiym saw the daughters of the human, that they were functional, and took for them women from all which they chose,
Genesis 6:4
the Nephilim existed in the land in those days and also afterward, when the sons of the Elohiym came to the daughters of the human, and they brought forth children for them, they are the courageous ones which are from a distant time, men of the title,
Genesis 6:4
the Nephilim existed in the land in those days and also afterward, when the sons of the Elohiym came to the daughters of the human, and they brought forth children for them, they are the courageous ones which are from a distant time, men of the title,
אדם
a-dam
(masc.) HUMAN: Of, relating to, or characteristic of man. The first man. All of mankind as the descendants of the first man. Strong's #: 120
שם
sheym
(masc.) TITLE: A word given to an individual or place denoting its character. The character of an individual or place. Strong's #: 8034, 8036
TITLE

The following is an excerpt from the book Ancient Hebrew Dictionary.
When we see a name, such as "King David" we see the word "King" as a title and "David" as a name. In our western mind a title describes a character trait while a name is simply an identifier. In the Hebrew language there is no such distinction between names and titles. Both words, King and David, are descriptions of character traits. The Hebrew word melekh (king) is "one who reigns," while daviyd (David) is "one who is loved". Both of these words are titles, describing the character of David. It is also common to identify the word "Elohiym" (Elohiym) as a title and YHWH (Yahweh) as a name. What we do not realize is that both of these are character traits. YHWH is both a word and title meaning "one who exists" and Elohiym is a word and a title meaning "one who has power and authority". The Hebrew word "shem" more literally means "character". When the Bible speaks of taking Elohiym's name to the nations, he is not speaking about the name itself but his character. When we are commanded to not take Elohiym's name in vain, this literally means not to represent his character in a false manner. This is similar to our expression, "have a good name," which is not about the name itself but the character of the one with that name.


Elohiym

The following is an excerpt from the book The Living Words.
If the thief be not found, then the master of the house shall be brought unto the judges, to see whether he have put his hand unto his neighbour's goods.Exodus 22:8 (KJV)
A judge is one who possesses great "power" and "authority." The Hebrew word behind the word "judges" in the passage above is אל הים elohiym [H:430], the plural form of the word אל וה elo’ah [H:433]. You may notice the first two letters of this word is the word אל el [H:410], meaning "mighty one," which we discussed in the last section. Because the word elo’ah is derived from el, they are very similar in meaning.
The word elo’ah, "one of power and authority," can also be applied to God or any other god.
Oh that I might have my request; and that God (elo’ah) would grant me the thing that I long for! Job 6:8 (KJV)
Then shall he sweep by as a wind, and shall pass over, and be guilty, even he whose might is his god (elo’ah). Habakkuk 1:11 (ASV)
The word אל הים elohiym [H:430], the plural form of אל וה elo’ah [H:433], is frequently used as a proper name for Yahweh, the creator of heaven and earth.
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth in their filling, in the day that Yahweh Elohiym made the earth and the heavens.Genesis 2:4
The "power and authority" of Yahweh can be, and is, passed on to others as we see in the following verse.
And Yahweh said unto Moses, "See, I have given you Elohiym for Pharaoh: and Aaron your brother will be your prophet." Exodus 7:1
What does Yahweh mean by "See I have given you"? Is there something physical about Moses that Yahweh gave to him which could have been "seen" showing his "power and authority"? In our discussion of the word אל el [H:410], we learned this word represented horns of power and the staff of authority. Did Moses also have these symbols?
And Yahweh said to [Moses], "What is this in your hand?" And he said, "A staff." And he said, "Cast it down to the ground" and he cast it down to the ground and it became a serpent and Moses fled from before it. Exodus 4:2,3
Yahweh took an ordinary staff of a shepherd, turned it into an instrument of power and authority and gave it to Moses to do great miracles. We do know Moses did carry a staff representing his authority, but what about the horns?
And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of the testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses knew not that the skin of his face shone by reason of his speaking with him. And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw
Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him.Exodus 34:29,30 (ASV)
In this verse, we find there was a physical change in Moses which created fear in the people. Was it just a light coming off him that generated this fear? No—as we shall see, the above translation "skin of his face shone," is a poor translation of the Hebrew. The Hebrew word translated as "shone" is קרן qaran [7160], which literally means "to have horns."
Interestingly, many paintings and sculptures of Moses depict him with horns such as in Michelangelo’s sculpture of Moses.
It has been speculated the "horns" on Moses’ face are "rays" of light that shone from his face, hence the translation we read in all English Bibles. However, there are other Hebrew words meaning "to shine" and if that was what the author had intended, he would have used one of those. Instead, he deliberately chose to use the word qaran to show Moses was indeed one of power and authority. This is an example of my reasons for desiring a "mechanical" and "literal" translation of the Hebrew Bible, so the reader can read the text without the translators’ bias being interjected into the text.
In my book His Name is One I go into detail about the different names of God. In the next section, I am taking an excerpt from that book.
The following is an excerpt from the book Ancient Hebrew Dictionary.
The plural form of elo'ah, meaning power, is elohiym and is often translated as Elohiym. While English plurals only identify quantity, as in more than one, the Hebrew plural can identify quantity as well as quality. Something that is of great size or stature can be written in the plural form. Elohiym is the one of great strength and authority.
 
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Genesis 6:5
and Yhwh saw that the dysfunctions of the human in the land was abundant, and all the thoughts of inventions of his heart was only dysfunctional every day,
Genesis 6:8
and No'ahh found beauty in the eyes of Yhwh,
Genesis 6:9
these are the birthings of No'ahh, No'ahh existed a steadfast one and mature man in his generations, No'ahh walked himself with the Elohiym,
Genesis 6:11
and the land was damaged to the face of the Elohiym and the land was filled with violence,
Genesis 6:12
and Elohiym saw the land and look, she was damaged given that all the flesh destroyed his road upon the land,
Genesis 6:13
and Elohiym said to No'ahh, a conclusion of all the flesh has come to my face, given that the land of violence was filled from their face, and look at me, I am destroying them with the land,

The word "nephilim" as used in Gen 6:4 and Num 13:33 is simply an anglocizing of the Hebrew word nephiyl. If it were to be translated it would be simply "the fallen".
this opens up a whole new hermeneutical question about how then should we interpret these people described both before the flood in Gen 6 as "the fallen" and then again after the flood when the spies brought back their report about the promised land being filled with "the fallen" who are also described as giants.
Different interpretations have described the nephilim as fallen angels, others as fallen men, some have categorized only the sons of Cain as the nephilim in Gen 6, but then how are they reappearing after the flood? or if it is fallen angels, do we see the earth invaded by fallen angels not once but twice?
I think the most consistent view of the Nephilim would consist of those who have fallen away from faith and reliance upon God. Those who think that they can achieve greatness absent from God's presence. Here is Clarke's reference...
Genesis 6:4
[There were giants in the earth] npiliym , from naaphal , "he fell." Those who had apostatized or fallen from the true religion. The Septuagint translate the original word by gigantes, which literally signifies earth-born, and which we, following them, term giants, without having any reference to the meaning of the word, which we generally conceive to signify persons of enormous stature. But the word when properly understood makes a very just disinction between the sons of men and the sons of God; those were the nephilim , the fallen earth-born men, with the animal and devilish mind. These were the sons of God, who were born from above, children of the kingdom, because children of God. Hence, we may suppose originated the different appellatives given to sinners and saints, the former were termed gigantes (Greek), "earth-born", and the latter, hagioi , i.e. saints, persons not of the earth, or separated from the earth.
[The same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.] giboriym , which we render "mighty men", signifies properly conquerors, heroes, from gaabar , "he prevailed, was victorious." and °ansheey hashem , "men of the name," anthroopoi onomastoi , Septuagint; the same as we render men of renown, renominati, twice named, as the word implies, having one name which they derived from their fathers, and another which they acquired by their daring exploits and enterprises.
It may be necessary to remark here that our translators have rendered seven different Hebrew words by the one term giants, viz., nephilim. gibborim, enachim, rephaim, emim, and zamzummim; by which appellatives are probably meant in general persons of great knowledge, piety, courage, wickedness, etc., and not men of enormous stature, as is generally conjectured. (from Adam Clarke's Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1996, 2003, 2005, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.c...english-equivalent-for-nephilim-of-genesis-64


there were men of authority, of importance, some Jewish sites say that possibly these were high ranking priests, rather than choosing godly women, fell and went after ungodly women. These men, probably because of the importance of their fathers, also became men of authority and power--some were mighty hunters and warriors.
This should come as no surprise as Godly men today, men of high standing, have fallen to less than Godly women--that is all over the news, well known preachers with large followings--down to just good Christian men who will choose the beautiful nymphet over the pious but less alluring female.
As for the reason Noah and his family were saved--it has nothing to do with genetics--the reason the earth was destroyed is plainly stated as the earth was totally devastated with violence---we are definitely there. Noah walked with God and was the only one that was left as a God loving man.
As for giants----no one knows how tall Adam and Eve were---nothing is stated. They are pictured as normal height by today's standards or shorter---why? Why could they not have been 7-10-12 feet tall--if you're going to speculate--they were created perfect, why not tall? That would not have been tall for God. The gene was passed down. As with today we have giants-very tall people, some because of malfunctioning glands, but most perfectly normal yet very tall---we also have very short people--as in the differences between the very tall Massai tribe and the very short pygmies. Certain genes get passed down and can cluster and form groups, before and after the flood. The land also was at first created perfect--after the fall it all changed. However, till the flood everything was in far better condition than today, great weather, great soil--large, abundant crops--those traits also fostered and cultivated both before and after the flood. So there should be no surprise there either that there were pockets of very tall people, families, villages, cities, where the land also had been cultivated with better than average results. Even today---just look up on Alaska and see the kind of produce this place can provide--it is astounding. There is no need to go off into fantasy land with the word of God.
What makes people even think that angels were created to procreate?--Only males are ever mentioned. Why would God make only one sex and give them sexual abilities to procreate without there being any way for them to do so? Nothing anywhere is stated that angels were given the directive to be fruitful and multiply---God would have had to recreate the fallen angels to give them that ability and why would He??
The bible states some angels have wings--some 4 some 6--there is no mention of offspring having wings. That angels can appear as men is stated-that does not make them into actual, physical males able to procreate--appearance is one thing, actual working internal physical make up, a whole other thing. The possession by demons of humans--and even animals is documented--they were possessed--they did not become that thing--the demons sent into the people did not become those people, just controlled their minds the demons sent into the pigs did not become pigs. That a possesed man would then be able to imoregnate a woman with the genetic code of a fallen angel is not even in the realm of possibility.
The preflood people had immense brain capsbilities I do not doubt, God did not create morons, Adam and Eve had perfectly functioning brains capable of acquiring and storing vast amounts of knowledge, far greater than we have today. Adam was no idiot, he was able to name all the animals. These people had hundreds of years to perfect their knowkedge and abilities--just think of what can be accomplished in a few short years today by one individual. It is not too unreal to state their knowledge was above ours today and we are just getting to the place where they were---which includes scientific discoveries. That they could have been doing genetic tinkering like is being done today is more than probable.
 
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But if indeed so, then the Flood failed since the angels were once more taking women and procreating. That goes contrary to what Peter told us befell those angels during the Flood. It tells us they were restrained.

2 Peter 2:4. Here we read that "God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them into Tartarus and committed them to pits of darkness (sirois zophou), reserved for judgment". The allusion is to the angels that intermarried with human females.

If that report was merely what the spies THOUGHT they were seeing, then there is no contradiction. But then we have the problem I-f the statement of after that. Which brings up the question: After what happened? After there were giants? What happened after there were giants? Men of renown appeared among the offspring. So there seems to be a division between the giants who were not renown and the ones who came after who were sons of angels and women but who were renown? A very problematic passage if we are to assume that both were human angelic hybrids. Seems as if the giants might have not been of angelic descent but merely big and clumsy humans while those that followed were the real hybrids and they became renown?


I believe the phrase "after that" means that The Sons of God(angels) started mating with women and producing offspring,(Giants or Nephilim) then God says Genesis 6:3 "Then God said: “My spirit will not tolerate man indefinitely,because he is only flesh.Accordingly, his days will amount to 120 years.” The Sons of God(angels) continued mating with women after God said that.
 
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I believe the phrase "after that" means that The Sons of God(angels) started mating with women and producing offspring,(Giants or Nephilim) then God says Genesis 6:3 "Then God said: “My spirit will not tolerate man indefinitely,because he is only flesh.Accordingly, his days will amount to 120 years.” The Sons of God(angels) continued mating with women after God said that.
Thanks for the clarification.
 
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The scriptures Job 1:6;Job 38:4-7;Psalm 89:6
kept in context in which they had been written show this phrase "Sons of God" are angels
Who then are “the sons of the true God” mentioned in the account at Genesis 6:2, 4? In harmony with the preceding Biblical facts in the above scriptures, it is logical to conclude that the account is referring to spirit sons of God who came to earth.
Some find it hard to accept that angels might be interested in having sexual relations. Jesus’ words recorded at Matthew 22:30 show that marriage and sex relations do not exist in heaven. Yet, angels have on occasion materialized human bodies, even eating and drinking with men. (Gen. 18:1-8; 19:1-3) Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that in such a materialized form, they could have sexual relations with women.
There are Bible-based reasons for believing that some angels did just that. Jude 6, 7 compares the sin of the men of Sodom, who unnaturally went after flesh, with that of “the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place.” A point in common was that both those angels and the Sodomites “committed fornication excessively and [went] out after flesh for unnatural use.” A similar passage in 1 Peter 3:19, 20 links disobedient angels with “Noah’s days.” 2 Pet. 2:4,5 Consequently, the course that disobedient angels in Noah’s day took can be compared to the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Such a conclusion makes sense when we recognize that “the sons of the true God” mentioned at Genesis 6:2 were angels who materialized bodies and committed immorality with women.
You are giving the fallen angels the power to create life. From my reading of the Scriptures, only God has that power.

The sons of God in Genesis 6 are God's people (Genesis 4:26, Hosea 1:10). The first son of God was Adam (Luke 3:38). It is the period Jesus refers to in Luke 17:27.

The view that the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 were angels is popular with those who try to remove homosexuality from Jude 1:7.
 
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It is true that God purpose can not be stopped but God did give the angels the ability to become flesh it wasn't their natural state but God sent angels with messages to his prophets and some came in the form of men.
Did God give them the ability to become flesh? I read that He gave them the ability to take human women women in desire and create offspring.

Are you sure the angels became flesh?
 
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You are giving the fallen angels the power to create life. From my reading of the Scriptures, only God has that power.
I believe that they had the ability to produce offspring with human women. Now if that is considered creating life than many human beings are doing that.

God does give us with the connection of a sperm and ovum the ability to create children.
 
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I believe that they had the ability to produce offspring with human women. Now if that is considered creating life than many human beings are doing that.

God does give us with the connection of a sperm and ovum the ability to create children.
I can understand people saying that evil spirits entered the bodies of men and procreated but that is not the argument being presented.

To give angels the power to create a human form that was able to transmit life that only comes from God seems contrary to Scripture.

Humans can only transmit the life that was placed in them by God, just as a grain of wheat can only produce a plant because of the life God placed in it.
 
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I can understand people saying that evil spirits entered the bodies of men and procreated but that is not the argument being presented.

To give angels the power to create a human form that was able to transmit life that only comes from God seems contrary to Scripture.

Humans can only transmit the life that was placed in them by God, just as a grain of wheat can only produce a plant because of the life God placed in it.


We can only produce "after our kind"---angels are above us, Jesus, when born of Mary was lower than the angels--we can not give birth to an ape, or an angel, fallen or otherwise.
 
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We can only produce "after our kind"---angels are above us, Jesus, when born of Mary was lower than the angels--we can not give birth to an ape, or an angel, fallen or otherwise.
I agree ... almost!
There is interspecies breeding ... my favorite is the zonkey.

The question often comes down to 'where did the giants come from?' An alternative explanation is that the original sin involved interbreeding with the serpent - a human like creature before the curse. Genesis 3:14-15
 
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I agree ... almost!
There is interspecies breeding ... my favorite is the zonkey.

The question often comes down to 'where did the giants come from?' An alternative explanation is that the original sin involved interbreeding with the serpent - a human like creature before the curse. Genesis 3:14-15

The hybrids are still with in their own kind---a zebra and a donkey are still both equines, a tiger and a lion are both still felines, quite often their offspring will be sterile, but not always, there have been mules that
have given birth, but it is extremely rare. I believe there have been only 2 verified by DNA.

As for giants, read post #108---I know that nobody likes long posts, including myself, I usually won't read them either, however, posts 107 and 108 go into this quite thoroughly.
 
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The hybrids are still with in their own kind---a zebra and a donkey are still both equines, a tiger and a lion are both still felines, quite often their offspring will be sterile, but not always, there have been mules that
have given birth, but it is extremely rare. I believe there have been only 2 verified by DNA.

As for giants, read post #108---I know that nobody likes long posts, including myself, I usually won't read them either, however, posts 107 and 108 go into this quite thoroughly.
I think the word "kind" cannot be limited to our classification of species. It is claimed that Neanderthals interbred with modern humans - not sure what that means, probably a sub-species.

The word nephilim is used in Numbers 13:33 where it suggests stature.
 
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The word Nephilim means authority, men of renown, high ranking officials----fallen---in other words, men of high rank --as in possible religious leaders, that had fallen---
The bible says there were giants in those days---Absolutely nobody can state how tall Adam and Eve were. If they lived to be nearly 1000 why couldn't they have also been very tall?? They passed those genes on down to their offspring--which included the 8 in the ark and after the flood, people parted into their own languages and that was probably by similarities in looks, also. Their lifespans were shortened after the flood, why not their height also? But, after the flood, there were pockets of the tall genes still left and there where whole villages that had it, along with the abnormalities of the 6 fingers. There are people today who are very tall and there are people with 6 fingers--doesn't mean anyone has fallen angel blood in them!!
Do you know that a "little person" can give birth to a normal sixed baby, however, they are considered high risk pregnancies and most often are delivered by C section. And that is just a difference between a little person and a normal sized man---what about giving birth to a giant baby that weighs almost as much as you do? These giants were supposed to be 2-3 times taller than normal---umm----some things would have been quite impossible for a normal sized woman to handle!!
 
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I can understand people saying that evil spirits entered the bodies of men and procreated but that is not the argument being presented.

To give angels the power to create a human form that was able to transmit life that only comes from God seems contrary to Scripture.

Humans can only transmit the life that was placed in them by God, just as a grain of wheat can only produce a plant because of the life God placed in it.
How can it be counter to scripture when it is in scripture?

“When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown. The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”Genesis 6:1-5
 
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