Governor Kasich Legalizes Campus Carry. What Do You Think?

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A highly successful program has begun on some campuses--and it doesn't require a single gun. If an assailant is detected on campus, every student and staff member in the data base receives an immediate text message. They are told to flee if possible, and hide if not possible. Doors are being retrofitted with one way mirrors and locks, so assailants can't see inside and ascertain if anyone is there (this slows them up considerably, and allows faster capture).

Let's think about positive solutions like this before arming students and teachers.
 
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Do you have many mentally unstable students in your classes?

It's not like all mentally unstable students wear signs identifying them as such; for some it's very apparent that something is amiss, and for others it's far more insidious. The onset for psychiatric disorders such as schizophrenia is often in the late adolescent years for males, a bit older for females. People who'd previously been psychologically sound can begin to experience symptoms as the disorder manifests, some of which aren't always immediately obvious. Even if a student does have a history of psychiatric problems, privacy issues often disable professors from being made aware of it, so unless they're exhibited in class it's very possible they are oblivious. James Holmes had been a PhD candidate in neuroscience with a sizable grant from the NIH, a prestigious internship to his credit, and was from a loving family and idyllic community. Though he had undergone psychiatric treatment, many were probably not aware of that, and his age and lack of a criminal history enabled him to legally purchase all weapons used in the Aurora massacre.

My grandmother was a professor for years, first at a major state university (Virginia Tech) where most of the students were traditional age, and later on when she didn't take to retirement she began teaching a community college near where they relocated. She actually encountered more problems with older students at the community college, some of whom appeared to be mature, functional members of society. A veteran in his 40s became enraged that he was doing poorly, even though she'd invested time in helping to guide him in overcoming errors that he continued to make, and screamed at her in her office, then stalked her. He followed her to the house of her elderly mother and sat outside in his truck. Some of the livid students are ones the professor has had minimal interaction with previously. A woman who was in her late 20s or thereabouts was angry that she'd been withdrawn from my grandmother's class for failing to attend it, and was consequentially losing this grant money she was receiving to be a student. She came and confronted my nana after a class, screaming at her, and pushing her off the stool where she'd been sitting. A previous back injury had already caused extensive damage, and the fall ruptured more discs in her back and pinched nerves. She had to start using a walker. Thank God neither brandished weapons, though. (And carrying one herself wouldn't have been feasible, since she couldn't even lift a gallon of milk or wear a thick coat due to her back problems, and had to keep her purse extremely lightweight).

My grandmother taught at Virginia Tech during the 2007 shooting, though was on sabbatical at the time. She said what many faculty members, students, and parents wanted were not guns on campus, but a swifter and more organized emergency response. Students were notified by email, not text, more than two hours after the first shooting, which had falsely believed to be an isolated incident. Had the entire campus immediately been put on lockdown and everyone texted and told to shelter in place, it's very likely the death toll would have been lower. But back then campus shootings weren't as tragically frequent as they are now. During the UCLA shooting last spring, texts were rapidly sent to everyone in the community telling them to seek shelter. As with VA Tech, though, there is a lack of rooms with lockable doors.

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If my son/daughter went to a campus with concealed guns I would not feel safe. I do not feel that having a gun would prevent rape. In fact, most rapes on campuses happen with acquaintances of the victim and I doubt having a concealed would help with this problem. Also, I feel that in an environment with high stress, alcohol, and dramatic life changes, deadly weapons should stay far away.
 
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SteveCaruso said:
For the kind of problems that a professor would face? No. Murder-suicides don't care about that.
And you are convinced, by logical thought process, the current status of an absolute prohibition on the legal carrying of firearms will in some manner protect against this? Could you expand on how that works?

One notes illegal carry of weapons contributes to the problem you cite and cannot be solved by legislative acts.
 
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I carry my gun every where, including pepper spray. Church, stores, college class rooms. I always carried it while in college whether the school allowed it or not. Which they didn't. Accidents will occur, likely, while allowing to carry on campus, but the number of deaths, I believe, would still be far less compared to an open slaughter of a person with a gun and no one to stop him in the class room.
 
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As a professor it's comforting to know that when an upset student comes to argue with me about how it's not possible that they failed the exam, and if I don't give them a C, I ruin their life and their job prospects, that they might now be carrying a gun.
You are talking about a person 21 or older, who voluntarily now has their fingerprints and personal information on record with the FBI and who has been vetted by same agency, and who voluntarily agreed to have any gun related charges they EVER engage in either intentionally or accidently bumped up from a class C misdemeanor to a Class A. The kid who scares the bejeebers out of you and causes you to fear for your life is probably less than 21, has never tried to get a license to carry or has never been vetted or failed the FBI background check, and has been carrying a gun illegally for years to wait for a reason to use it. At least get your facts straight professor.
 
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And the occasional toddler shooting another toddler and the occasional nutjob shooting are things that will never increase even as guns increase, because all the dangerous nut jobs and dangerous toddlers already have their guns . . . right?
That makes absolutely no sense and has no place in a valid conversation.
 
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And the occasional toddler shooting another toddler and the occasional nutjob shooting are things that will never increase even as guns increase, because all the dangerous nut jobs and dangerous toddlers already have their guns . . . right?

Rant's are no substitute for mature debate.
 
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You are talking about a person 21 or older, who voluntarily now has their fingerprints and personal information on record with the FBI and who has been vetted by same agency, and who voluntarily agreed to have any gun related charges they EVER engage in either intentionally or accidently bumped up from a class C misdemeanor to a Class A. The kid who scares the bejeebers out of you and causes you to fear for your life is probably less than 21, has never tried to get a license to carry or has never been vetted or failed the FBI background check, and has been carrying a gun illegally for years to wait for a reason to use it. At least get your facts straight professor.
You tell me to get my facts straight, and while since you don't know me I'll leave the scare the bejeebers out of me comment and the mistake that most of my students are under 21, and point out that in my state there's no FBI background check to carry concealed and you only have to be 18. Fingerprinting is also not required. Rules vary from state to state.
 
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"Mentally unstable" or not, I have no faith in the kinds of people who feel so inadequate that they need to carry a gun to prove themselves as friendly fire is an order of magnitude and a half more likely to happen than any sort of assistance.

Every gun added to the situation that this law will apply to is another risk and more guns will not stop the kind of crimes we see on campuses.

In short, this law cannot make me or any of my students safer.
With all due respect, I find it sort of odd that people who oppose citizens having guns call the police when it all hits the fan.
 
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You tell me to get my facts straight, and while since you don't know me I'll leave the scare the bejeebers out of me comment and the mistake that most of my students are under 21, and point out that in my state there's no FBI background check to carry concealed and you only have to be 18. Fingerprinting is also not required. Rules vary from state to state.
Yes, they do, BUT if someone has a gun without the law they likely do not care about the law.
 
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You tell me to get my facts straight, and while since you don't know me I'll leave the scare the bejeebers out of me comment and the mistake that most of my students are under 21, and point out that in my state there's no FBI background check to carry concealed and you only have to be 18. Fingerprinting is also not required. Rules vary from state to state.
Let me asks you this is your state a must issue state? ( assuming that one meet whatever qualifcations the state DOES have?
 
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What other reason is there to carry a gun except to use it? And how often is a gun carried used responsibly vs irresponsibly in a fight or incident of road rage where my "imagined motive" was the case?
If someone is carrying that does not mean that the person WANTS to have to use it.
 
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A highly successful program has begun on some campuses--and it doesn't require a single gun. If an assailant is detected on campus, every student and staff member in the data base receives an immediate text message. They are told to flee if possible, and hide if not possible. Doors are being retrofitted with one way mirrors and locks, so assailants can't see inside and ascertain if anyone is there (this slows them up considerably, and allows faster capture).

Let's think about positive solutions like this before arming students and teachers.
I would rather have people armed than have more security messures that make things feel more like a prison. You know the VAST majority of correctal officers do not carry ( on the job, anyway.
 
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With all due respect, I find it sort of odd that people who oppose citizens having guns call the police when it all hits the fan.
I don't see what's odd about preferring to call a trained professional. When I have a plumbing problem, I don't just call a friend who happens to own a pipe wrench, if it's serious, I call a plumber.
 
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I don't see what's odd about preferring to call a trained professional. When I have a plumbing problem, I don't just call a friend who happens to own a pipe wrench, if it's serious, I call a plumber.
Here is the difference it is MUCH more likely that someone with a firearm is a lot more dangerous much quicker than a plumbing issue.
 
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These stats are all public knowledge. Legal gun owners don't commit crimes.
Clearly untrue.

In fact they commit crimes at a lower level than police officers.
Even if this is true, it is misleading. By the nature of their work, police officers are presented with more opportunity to commit more crimes than the rest of us. Example: I deal with difficult obnoxious people rarely in my work; police officers deal with them all the time. It is therefore much more likely that a police officer will haul off and punch someone than I would, even if that police officer is as "moral" and "self-controlled" as I am.
 
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On Monday Ohio Governor John Kasich (R) signed Senate Bill 199, thereby legalizing concealed carry on college and university campuses where school trustees vote to allow it. Source

What do you think about this? If you have a son or daughter who is a college student, would you feel safer if they were concealed carrying a handgun on campus? Will this lead to fewer people being injured/killed if there are attacks? Less likely muggings or rapes? I think it could if the gun owners are responsible.


yes. It is a 2nd amendment right and everywhere there is not concealed carry there is gun violence because the left haven't figured out that the bad guys don't obey the laws.
 
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Here is the difference it is MUCH more likely that someone with a firearm is a lot more dangerous much quicker than a plumbing issue.
Perhaps, but if someone is having a heart attack you still call a professional, if your house catches on fire you call the fire department even if your neighbors own a hose.
 
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