Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House

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The point is the story that Jesus told in Luke 18 about the sinner who was justified before God and the Pharisees who was NOT justified before God. It is a good thing that Obama admits that he can not justify himself. But if you want to accuse him of being a Pharisees then go ahead, that is on you not me.
Ugh. Whatever dude. *done*

That was a long time coming.
 
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What server was the most vulnerable to being hacked?
We are talking about the server that was in the basement of Hillary house when she was secretary of state. She had the hard drive deleted and scrubbed and the FBI confiscated that server for their investigation.

In fact Hillary says that the reason she lost was because the FBI reopened the investigation on her one week before the Election. If anyone should be accused of tampering with the election it should be the director of the FBI. What Hillary does not seem to realize is that God is in control and He determined what the outcome of this election was going to be.
 
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Did you read the post you are commenting to? Your answer seems to have nothing to do with it.

The 'Christian protector' Putin has just legally banned holding a prayer meeting in a private house. This is Christian persecution by Putin, for real.

Your first paragraph, is standard operating procedure for who you responded to.
 
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It's pretty funny that this thread is going on. Russia hacking is just laughable. There is no evidence whatsoever for this and it will be swept under the carpet in about another week and they will have some other emergency to take focus off of it so they can forget the embarrassment.
 
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And, in my younger days, I was vocally critical of your nation's role in that. What about yourself?
In my younger and current not quite as young days. It's a massively stupid thing to do.

So, do you regard the intervention of a foreign power as some kind of 'just desserts'?
It's one of those things that I'm honestly surprised hasn't happened before. We've been doing it for a long time, I'm curious if our leaders were thinking, "Hey you know that thing we like doing to every other country on the planet... I'm sure nobody will ever do it to us."

No, manipulating the process to help install someone they think will more likely do their bidding.
What process are you talking about? Do you have any evidence of rigged voting machines?
 
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If I understand you correctly, you like Wikileaks are fine with the damage caused regardless of who is President?
Pretty much, I really like the idea that 'we the people' know what our government is doing in our name. The government sure won't tell us what they are doing so we apparently needs groups who are willing to give that information to third party groups like wikileaks.
 
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What specific server was hacked?
You know that e-mail server we've been told for 2 plus years didn't make a bit of difference and was totes not important?

After being told that we were wasting everyone time worrying about silly stuff like people with top secret classifications putting data on private servers, apparently those are the servers which were now being told the hacking of sunk the Clinton campaign.
 
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You know that e-mail server we've been told for 2 plus years didn't make a bit of difference and was totes not important?

After being told that we were wasting everyone time worrying about silly stuff like people with top secret classifications putting data on private servers, apparently those are the servers which were now being told the hacking of sunk the Clinton campaign.
I don't think you're entirely correct.
 
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It's one of those things that I'm honestly surprised hasn't happened before. We've been doing it for a long time, I'm curious if our leaders were thinking, "Hey you know that thing we like doing to every other country on the planet... I'm sure nobody will ever do it to us."

I didn't ask if you were surprised. I asked if you thought it "just desserts" that a foreign power interfere in your election, damaging one of the candidates.

What process are you talking about? Do you have any evidence of rigged voting machines?

The process of selectively releasing damaging hacked information, of course.


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Indeed. If the reports, courtesy of the leaked documents, are correct, the Democrats favoured one of their candidates over the other. I suppose that it could be argued that at least such action was 'in house' - here was a political party charting their own course, rather than having it imposed upon them by some outside, foreign actor.

And the 'flawed, unpopular candidate' argument simply doesn't hold water. The bottom line is that Mrs Clinton won the nation convincingly, receiving almost as many votes as President Obama in his last re-election. 3 million more people wanted her to be president over Trump. She certainly was popular enough.

Now, it can very reasonably be argued that her campaign made tactical errors in failing to concentrate their efforts to a greater degree in those narrowly lost states. But that's tactics, it's not a measure of her popularity, particularly when she wins the total vote count so convincingly.

And the impact of the Russian interference cannot be dismissed here. Could their selective release of leaked documents have been enough to turn those one-in-a-hundred votes in those 3 or 4 states? Highly likely. Flip those 70,000 or so votes the other way and you'd all be touting Mrs Clinton as being every bit as successful as President Obama was.
I really think what did her in was the second investigation of her emails. When the FBI decided to look again it was enough for people.
 
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I really think what did her in was the second investigation of her emails. When the FBI decided to look again it was enough for people.

It probably added to the impact.

And now we find that those investigations were groundless. Gosh, I wonder how that blunder could possibly have been made.....




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Something of a summary, if I may...

Mrs Clinton received a total of around 66 million votes. Trump around 63 million. This convincing popular win is part of the picture.

Mrs Clinton has received, in total, close to President Obama's total in 2012. This is also part of the picture.

Mrs Clinton failed to win 3 crucial states - Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin. Another part.

She fell short in these 3 states by a combined total of 70,000 votes. Another feature.

As my friend bhsmte points out, Mrs Clinton's votes amongst blacks and Hispanics was lower than expected. This is another factor.

The release by the FBI of what now turns out to have been groundless investigations saw a downturn in the polling for Mrs Clinton. Yet another factor.

The major intelligence services have discovered an electronic espionage operation conducted by/on behalf of the Russians, designed to assist Trump by harming Clinton.

All of these factors (and there may be some others) have contributed to the result we witnessed. I don't think that any one, or group, can be considered to be THE pivotal reason for Trump being elected. Spread the popular total out more evenly and the result changes. Get a slightly higher percentage of black votes and it changes. Encourage more Hispanics to come vote in those 3 states and it changes.

But.......with one exception, all of these can be rationalised as 'in house' factors that could occur in any election. The kind of tactical and campaigning issues that lie at the feet of the candidates and their people.

But, a foreign power conducting effectively an attack on one of your candidates? You're going to sleep well with that?

And I'd be interested to know if you still have treason laws on the 'books' over there? Do they include clauses that deal with a president who refuses to investigate such action?


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And I'd be interested to know if you still have treason laws on the 'books' over there?

That's any easy one to answer. In the US, treason is the one crime that is defined in the Constitution:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."

Article III, Section 3

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Do they include clauses that deal with a president who refuses to investigate such action?

Any prosecution of a sitting President must be through impeachment proceedings carried out by Congress.
 
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That's any easy one to answer. In the US, treason is the one crime that is defined in the Constitution:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."

Article III, Section 3



Any prosecution of a sitting President must be through impeachment proceedings carried out by Congress.

Thank you. Do your laws contain a view on misprision?

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It's pretty funny that this thread is going on. Russia hacking is just laughable. There is no evidence whatsoever for this and it will be swept under the carpet in about another week and they will have some other emergency to take focus off of it so they can forget the embarrassment.
You got half of this post right...
 
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