The oldest person ever: 122, not 120, like the Bible says...

Annaneedsasign · Jul 23, 2015

UniversalAxis said:
Jeanne Louise Calment (February 21 1875 - August 4 1997) had the longest (reliably reported) lifespan for any human being in history. Her lifespan has been thoroughly documented by scientific study. She married her second cousin Fernand Calment in 1896, and survived her only child and only grandchild. She died at the age of 122 years 164 days in Arles, France; the same town she was born in. She said that in her younger years, she met Vincent van Gogh, later describing him as "dirty, badly dressed and disagreeable."

I wonder what she thought of Monet.

So, then, if the Bible says that people will only live to be 120, what does the fact that she lived to be older than God told her to mean?

Translation: Genesis is not literal!

Thought that God told Noah that they had 120 years to repent. Then he would wipe them out....?

AV1611VET · Jul 23, 2015

UniversalAxis said:
So, then, if the Bible says that people will only live to be 120, what does the fact that she lived to be older than God told her to mean?

[VERSE=Genesis 6:3,KJV]And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.[/VERSE]QV please:

John Wesley said:
Yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years - So long will I defer the judgment they deserve, and give them space to prevent it by their repentance and reformation. Justice said, cut them down; but mercy interceded, Lord, let them alone this year also; and so far mercy prevailed, that a reprieve was obtained for six score years.

UniversalAxis said:
Translation: Genesis is not literal!

If a science textbook says Pluto is our 9th planet, should we throw out the whole book?

juvenissun · Jul 23, 2015

I must wonder where did these people go?

AV1611VET · Jul 23, 2015

juvenissun said:
I must wonder where did these people go?

Some time ago, while ranting myself, I predicted that if these guys had to discuss just science alone, and not be able to vent & ridicule God and His people, that they would file out of here like an emery board.

(Or something to that effect.)

TheBear · Jul 23, 2015

11 year old thread!!!

WOW!!!

juvenissun · Jul 23, 2015

AV1611VET said:
Some time ago, while ranting myself, I predicted that if these guys had to discuss just science alone, and not be able to vent & ridicule God and His people, that they would file out of here like an emery board.

(Or something to that effect.)

Yes. Too bad.

TheBear · Jul 23, 2015

AV1611VET said:
Some time ago, while ranting myself, I predicted that if these guys had to discuss just science alone, and not be able to vent & ridicule God and His people, that they would file out of here like an emery board.

(Or something to that effect.)

What a nutty concept. Is that what you really think? Wow.

And, what is this 'ranting myself' all about? Just curious.

AV1611VET · Jul 23, 2015

TheBear said:
What a nutty concept.

Then where is everyone?

TheBear said:
Is that what you really think?

Yes.

TheBear said:
And, what is this 'ranting myself' all about? Just curious.

I rant & rave about things too.

I'm just as guilty as those I accuse.

OldWiseGuy · Jul 23, 2015

UniversalAxis said:
Jeanne Louise Calment (February 21 1875 - August 4 1997) had the longest (reliably reported) lifespan for any human being in history. Her lifespan has been thoroughly documented by scientific study. She married her second cousin Fernand Calment in 1896, and survived her only child and only grandchild. She died at the age of 122 years 164 days in Arles, France; the same town she was born in. She said that in her younger years, she met Vincent van Gogh, later describing him as "dirty, badly dressed and disagreeable."

I wonder what she thought of Monet.

So, then, if the Bible says that people will only live to be 120, what does the fact that she lived to be older than God told her to mean?

Translation: Genesis is not literal!

120 years was the time needed to build the ark and prepare for the 'end of all flesh'.

OldWiseGuy · Jul 23, 2015

Tenacious-D said:
Yes, but that's myth, like talking snakes.

The enchanter wasn't a snake until God pronounced judgment on it. The narrative suggests this being stood upright while it conversed with Eve.

Genesis 3:14
And the Lord God said unto the serpent (enchanter), Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt (future tense) thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Manuel Cano · Dec 16, 2016

"My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." (Genesis 6:3)

Genesis 23:1-And the life of Sarah was one hundred years and twenty years and seven years; [these were] the years of the life of Sarah.

Since the Word of God does not contradict (Ask me about Mathew 10:34), I have come to the conclusion that Genesis 6:3 refers to the lifespan of Males. However, If a man ever lives past 120, then my interpretation is wrong and another one will have to be sought. I have not yet read the Hebrew translation of Genesis, but if a man ever lived past 120, I would say the man in Genesis 6:3 is referring to all those God chose not to live past his commandment.

OldWiseGuy · Dec 16, 2016

Manuel Cano said:
"My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." (Genesis 6:3)

Genesis 23:1-And the life of Sarah was one hundred years and twenty years and seven years; [these were] the years of the life of Sarah.

Since the Word of God does not contradict (Ask me about Mathew 10:34), I have come to the conclusion that Genesis 6:3 refers to the lifespan of Males. However, If a man ever lives past 120, then my interpretation is wrong and another one will have to be sought. I have not yet read the Hebrew translation of Genesis, but if a man ever lived past 120, I would say the man in Genesis 6:3 is referring to all those God chose not to live past his commandment.

The context of Genesis 6:3 was the coming flood, not man's lifespan. God was giving man 120 years to repent (three times the normal grace period of 40 years).

AV1611VET · Dec 17, 2016

UniversalAxis said:
Jeanne Louise Calment (February 21 1875 - August 4 1997) had the longest (reliably reported) lifespan for any human being in history.

Actually Methuselah did.

Genesis 5:27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.

UniversalAxis said:
So, then, if the Bible says that people will only live to be 120, what does the fact that she lived to be older than God told her to mean?

It means that God added to her years for reason(s) He saw fit.

Isaiah 38:5 Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.

Proverbs 3:1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
Proverbs 3:2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.

UniversalAxis said:
Translation: Genesis is not literal!

It's considered wise, before one finalizes his assessment of a passage in the Bible, to take all the verses that pertain to the subject into account; including what science has to say about it.

joshua 1 9 · Dec 22, 2016

UniversalAxis said:
So, then, if the Bible says that people will only live to be 120

This passage is a reference to man or Adam. There is no mention of women or Eve.

And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Genesis 6:3

Herman Hedning · Dec 26, 2016

joshua 1 9 said:
This passage is a reference to man or Adam. There is no mention of women or Eve.

Now you are stretching it way too thin. Surely you realise that the English bible uses man to mean mankind? Or do you believe that Genesis 6:7 promises to kill all men and not the women?

Biologist · Dec 26, 2016

"What is dead may never die" -- This 12 year old thread.

Manuel Cano · Jan 28, 2017

Herman Hedning said:
Now you are stretching it way too thin. Surely you realise that the English bible uses man to mean mankind? Or do you believe that Genesis 6:7 promises to kill all men and not the women?

We would have to see if the Hebrew word for man in one verse is the same Hebrew word for man in another verse, Since there are instances where one english word can be used to represent multiple other Hebrew words. Synonyms can represent similar things while also representing different, subtle meanings, Such as scared vs terrified vs nervous. One word in English can represent a broad range of realities and its translation would depend on the readers preconceptions. If someone could find a website to read the Hebrew easily that would be very helpful.

Manuel Cano · Jan 28, 2017

KJV w/ Strong's Concordance - Genesis 6.

Strathos · Jan 28, 2017

Was there a point in bumping this? I even addressed this in my thread:

Bad arguments against creationism

AV1611VET · Jan 28, 2017

Strathos said:
Was there a point in bumping this? I even addressed this in my thread:

Bad arguments against creationism

Age before beauty. :tutu:

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