Is Immortality a birthright or a gift from God

Only Scripture based thoughts ... discuss

Ie:Scripture tells us that when we are brought into the faith (in Christ) we are all made "sons" of God. 2 Corinthians 6:18.

I have always heard that eternity is the only offer that is extended by the Father, and that anything else is from the Son. I may expand on this post a bit later.

Widlast said:

You have been created, by God out of the same "stuff" as God Himself.
Like Him, we are all eternal.
The question is "where" each of us spends eternity.

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Please prove that with scripture that says we're created with immortality and compare it with
1 Corinthians 15:53
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Greg J. said:

We are made sons by being reborn in Christ. Our nature changes from being descended from Adam to being descended from God.

The Biblical definition of "immortality" is often different than how people use it today. We will all exist forever with memory, thoughts, and feelings, but only those born again have eternal life (connected to God by being in Christ). Those not reborn have eternal death (everlasting existence without being connected to God—who is the only source of life).

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Please use scripture to back up please. Again it needs to be in answer to another scripture as before

Romans 5:12-14
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

It is a birthright that results from being reborn in Christ. Being reborn in Christ is only through faith in God, which is only a gift from God.

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Rebirth to what? What are we reborn into?

Greg J. said:

It's not a few verses, it's a multi-month Bible study discussion.

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That's what the thread is invitational to discuss, just please use scripture to do so.

Widlast said:

Scripture does not explicitly state that we are immortal by our very nature. It is implied in Genesis,
" let us make man in Our own image". That has nothing to do with looks, or numbers of limbs.
Paul is referring to the "state" of the soul, not it's nature. Death is not the termination of a being, it is the loss of body in the case
of physical death, and the loss of relationship with God for spiritual death.
Satan is very much dead, yet he still exists and causes harm.

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We are the shadow while Christ is the substance 2 Corinthians 4:4. That's like saying marraige is forever into eternity because it is made to represent Christ and the church. John 4:24 says that what is forever is spirit because God is spirit. As you said .. the spirit is dead. The spirit does not have flesh and bones. Luke 24:39
The image of God deals with humanity's reflection of God in such things as compassion, rationality, love, hatred, fellowship, etc. God exhibits all of these characteristics, as do people. 2 Corinthians 4:4 is specifically meant as reference to Christ. Philippians 2:5–8. Hebrews 1:3

Jesus is a perfect image of God, where we are not. Jesus never sinned 1 Peter 2:22 and always did the will of the Father John 6:37-40. Whatever the image was that mankind was created in continued after the fall Genesis 9:6

As the shadow we do refect God, but as the moon reflects the sun. We can be equated with the moon, but not with the sun.

That is the subject but you carry on with your sad-u-see theories... I'll leave you to it

Optimax said:

Perhaps you need to define what you think immortality is.

The use of the word in 1 Cor 15 is used in reference to the glorified bodies we receive at the event known as "the rapture".

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It would be better if someone were to define mortal so as to have a starting point before immortal comes into play
1 Corinthians 15:53
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

KJV Dictionary Definition: mortal
mortal
MOR'TAL, a. L. mortalis, from mors, death, or morior, to die, that is, to fall.

1. Subject to death; destined to die. Man is mortal.

2. Deadly; destructive to life; causing death, or that must cause death; as a mortal wound; mortal poison.

The fruit

Of that forbidden tree whose mortal taste

Brought death into the world, and all our woe--

3. Bringing death; terminating life.

Safe in the hand of one disposing power,

Or in the natal or the mortal hour.

4. Deadly in malice or purpose; as a mortal foe. In colloquial language, a mortal foe is an inveterate foe.

5. Exposing to certain death; incurring the penalty of death; condemned to be punished with death; not venial; as a mortal sin.

6. Human; belonging to man who is mortal; as mortal wit or knowledge; mortal power.

The voice of God

To mortal ear is dreadful.

7. Extreme; violent. Not elegant.

The nymph grew pale, and in a mortal fright--

MOR'TAL, n. Man; a being subject to death; a human being.

Warn poor mortals left behind.

It is often used in ludicrous and colloquial language.

I can behold no mortal now.

mortality
MORTAL'ITY, n. L. mortalitas. Subjection to death or the necessity of dying.

When I saw her die,

I then did think on your mortality.

1. Death.

Gladly would I meet

Mortality, my sentence.

2. Frequency of death; actual death of great numbers of men or beasts; as a time of great mortality.

3. Human nature.

Take these tears, mortality's relief.

4. Power of destruction.

Mortality and mercy in Vienna,

Live in thy tongue and heart.

mortalize
MOR'TALIZE, v.t. To make mortal.

mortally
MOR'TALLY, adv. Irrecoverably; in a manner that must cause death; as mortally wounded.

1. Extremely.

Adrian mortally envied poets, painters and artificers, in works wherein he had a vein to excel.

This incomplete discussion is still unresolved imo. Anyone interested in adding anything?

~Cassia~ said: ↑
Is Immortality a birthright or a gift from God

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1213 said:

I think this is quite direct answer from the Bible:

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

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But are you saying that it is an inherent given or that it is a gift obtained thru Christ?