Egypt: 25 killed by bomb blast at St Mark's Cathedral

Armoured said:

"A survey"? Of who? By whom? Where?

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I didn't post the original comment but I know that Christians have been targeted worldwide, even in our own countries just because we are Christians.

'Unprecedented' Christian persecution in 2015 with over 7,000 killed for their faith, annual World Watch List says | Christian News on Christian Today

This website also breaks down the terrorist attacks.

Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth

staffsgt7 said:

There is no guarantee of salvation in islam

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There is no guarantee of salvation in Christianity. Those in both religions must adhere to specific requirements in order to enter their Heavenly gardens.

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Have you even read the koran? I am just asking because you seem to be defending, or just giving a pass, to something you haven't read and then not giving a reason for your doubt but having nothing but trying to denigrate me.

I have given proof of what I said but I will do so again:

The Study of Political Islam

1. 97% of the time jihad is mentioned, it is to do violence (and any and all tactics and strategies of war) or aggressive politics to advance islam.
https://www.politicalislam.com/the-study-of-political-islam/

2.
Here is a quote from an article that shows that jihad and violence are very much a part of islam and it doesn't mention the other forms of jihad - deception (jihad by the word/pen), funding violent jihad (jihad by the wealth), and emigrating to our lands to form a political force (jihad by emigration), etc.

3.
1. The Four Jihads and a video - Bill Warner, PhD: The Many Jihads
4. Look at sharia law o.9 and you will see what the definition of jihad is and this is consistent with the other 2 schools of sharia that I have.

Reliance of the Traveller:
IslamThreat.com -Home - under the tab called 'books', there is a free download of one book of sharia.

This book has the stamp of approval of Al Azhar, the highest learning Islamic school in the world.
From Umdat al-Salik, Englished as Reliance of the Traveller, which carries the endorsement of Al-Azhar University in Cairo as conforming "to the practice and faith of the orthodox Sunni community". Also the moslem Brotherhood front group, the IIIT, has approved this too, along with Badawi who is a member of the MAS (moslems of America)



How Does Sharia Define “Jihad”?

How Does Sharia Define “Jihad”? – Understanding the Threat

Islam is not like other religions, in one vital respect that directly feeds violence.
"Apostasy" is punishable by death!

You are welcome to become a Muslim; but it is easier to leave the Mafia than Islam.

This is the problem with Islam; but it is seldom highlighted.

The punishment for changing your religion (away from Islam) in most Islamic countries is death....even if it is not universally enforced. Perhaps this is one reason for its growth! Although boasts of this growth are rendered meaningless by this coersive membership.

Coersion, in the name of God, is inherently violent; it is only a small step to jihad.

Fundamentalism springs from worshipping sacred texts as "God-facts". This ultimately permit the killing of persons in obedience to what God has put in black-&-white. Islam is also the epitome of this kind of religion.

"The right to be convinced and to convert from Islam to another religion is held by only a minority of Muslim scholars. This view of religious freedom is, however, not shared by the vast majority of Muslim scholars both past as well as present. Most classical and modern Muslim jurists regard apostasy (riddah), defined by them as an act of rejection of faith committed by a Muslim whose Islam had been affirmed without coercion, as a crime deserving the death penalty."


— Abdul Rashied Oma

I am aware that most muslims in most places are peaceful people of good will. But Islam does not teach "peacefulness" in the sense of tolerating non-adherents or other religion. It appears to be more an acceptance of current realities.

I am all for peace & dialogue. But although I am what Americans would call left-leaning (because of Catholic Social Teaching) I think it is naivete to talk as if Islam does not have a major inherent problem.

We need to talk to Muslims about them accepting full religious freedom (no small task & perhaps contrary to the Koran)

SummerMadness said:

Egypt: 25 killed by bomb blast at St Mark's Cathedral

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This is JUST the beginning of Jesus' prophecy:

Luke 21:17 And ye shall be" hated" of all men (means mankind) for my name's sake.

Indeed. For there is coming a time when ALL, and I mean ALL," non-Christians; be they "muslims, jews, hindus, bhudists, atheists, heathenists, agnostics, secularists, paganists, satanists, communists, socialists, liberals, etc, and etc, WILL join hands (literally); in ONE hate-filled endeavor to destroy EVERY vestige of Jesus AND His Kingdom (His children) from the face of this planet.

Oh indeed yes. That is why He called it a "Great Tribulation".

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be "great tribulation", such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be (again).

It IS coming Christians. There is NO way to stop it. Sadder, WE have caused this. OH indeed yes. Just like God turned His back on those who call themselves "jews" (that did NOT believe IN Jesus); and He called them "liars" and they were "Synagogues of satan".

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are "Jews", and are not, but are the "synagogue of Satan". Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the "synagogue of Satan", which say they are Jews, and are not, but do "lie"; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Oh indeed yes. For even "they" will join forces WITH "muslims" and all other NON believers in Jesus; with the above satan fomented goal. Mark my words. It IS coming.

And ANY one that believes IN Jesus; will NOT be safe ANY where on earth. And NO the "rapture" will NOT occur "before" the GT, to be saved from this holocaust; as MOST Christians believe; AS I did for 70 yrs!

That is a satan-led, fomented "myth"; promulgated by him in hell; to give us a "false" sense of security; which is NOT going to happen. Nor will there be a mass influx of those who call themselves "jews"; that will return to that land (wrongly dubbed) "israel" in the middleast. NOR will there be a "New Temple" built in Jerusalem in the middle east. It is NOT going to happen. Believe it or not. Although I believed that will all of my being for 70 yrs!

There WILL be a "New Temple". But is will NOT be built "by the hands of man". It will Be "JESUS". Oh indeed yes. On a "New earth, turned into a New Heaven, New Jerusalem and that "New Temple" WILL be Jesus. In addition: Believers IN Jesus, will have a New body, a New name, and a New Life; which will last forever. Where there will never be another tear, sorrow, pain or death.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all "tears" from their eyes; and there shall be no more "death", neither" sorrow", nor crying, neither shall there be any more "pain": for the former things are passed away. Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things "New". And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Hallelujah and Amen.

Will there be a "rapture"? NO! There will be a "calling up" of the "saints" (saved). The word rapture does NOT appear in the bible. Use it if you wish for it is a pretty word. But the real word is when Jesus "calls" all saints UP from the graves, in the "First resurrection" and we join Him forever.

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the "last"* trump(et): for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed (forgiven and "cleansed" from ALL sin forever).

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the (last) trump(et) of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the "first resurrection": on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign (be) with him a thousand (earthly time-in Heaven it is one day) years.

(Note: The "1,000 yrs" is "ONE" day in Heaven. But this is the "OLD" Heaven. Those that are dead "left behind", will remain IN the graves for a "1,000" years (earthly time) waiting for the "second" resurrection"; to then appear IN the "OLD" Heaven to joins US in the "Great White Throne" Judgement day. Where ALL will be "judged" by Jesus (God). We will ALL be judged guilty of sin from birth to death. On indeed yes.

Where all who did NOT believe in Jesus (who WAS God manifest IN the flesh-1Timothy 3:16) WILL be bound hand and foot and cast into "Outer Darkness" ("Burning lake of fire") which is the "2nd death".

In a word, the lost will be cast into hell. The "saved" will receive a "full" pardon (even though ALL deserve to go to hell); and be "saved" from the ultimate punishment possible; known as Hell!

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in "hell".

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell (should be written "the grave" in this context*) were cast into the "lake of fire". This is the "second death.

During the 7 yr Great Tribulation, the first half will be the "7 Trumpet" period. The last half of the GT, will be the 7 "bowl" or "vial" Trumpet period. So AS the "LAST" Trumpet will sound, AND then and ONLY then will the "rapture" (calling up) occur.

During the first half, is when Jesus punishes his own for what we have allowed to happen, and he allows the "world" and satan (last 5 months) to persecute all Christians. and we deserve it; no different than Daniel admitted in chapter 9 that all of their punishment was brought about by themselves.

Daniel 9:5 We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments: Daniel 9:6 Neither have we hearkened unto thy servants the prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land. Daniel 9:12 And he hath confirmed his words, which he spake against us, and against our judges that judged us, by bringing upon us a great evil: for under the whole heaven hath not been done as hath been done upon Jerusalem.

(Please read the entire chapter 9. It is SO important to understand why and when God punishes us while IN the flesh for our innate sins)

During the last half of the GT, is when Jesus PUNISHES ALL who persecuted the saved during the first half. The difference is: Jesus exudes His wrath WITH mercy during the first half. But in the second half, there will be NO mercy. Where they will beg to die, but death will not come UNTIL the end of the last half.

"There shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth".

Note" the next verse is part of a "parable". I have taken the liberty to explain some of the symbologies that are often intrinsic to "parables" or "examples", etc.

Matthew 22:13 Then said the king (Jesus on Judgment day) to the servants (angels), Bind him (the lost) hand and foot, and take him (them) away, and cast him (them) into outer darkness ("burning lake of fire"), there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (UN believable angst and sorrow upon those who NOW realize the horrendous mistakes they made by NOT believing in the God of Abraham, who was "manifest IN the flesh" 'circa 2,000 yrs after Abraham died.)

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was "manifest in the flesh", justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Believe it or not!

In any case, May Jesus richly bless you,

patdee

* This verse has been one of THE most confusing verses to really understand of most verses. I believe the word Hell is dead wrong, and the translators should NOT have used the word.

I believe that "hades" has many meanings when translated from Greek. In a word it is talking about those who are lost in the GT that joined their "comrades" IN the "grave" awaiting the 2nd resurrection.

If per chance, I am wrong, I will sincerely ask Jesus to forgive me on Judgment day. Praise His Holy Name

Armoured said:

And most of it is what I like to call “armchair” persecution.

I theorise that since the Bible speaks about how the true believers will find themselves being persecuted, and that such persecution is a sign you’re on the right path, it pulls at the conscience of many overweight, under exercised middle class westerners that their lives are somewhat lacking in persecution, and so to cover this seeming gap in their spiritual lives, they’ll desperately take anything remotely misconstruable as persecution and wrap it around themselves like a big reassuring blanket.

…”unfounded internet rumour that one of the Columbine murderers asked someone if they were a Christian before he killed her? HE WAS PERSECUTING CHRISTIANS! Thank goodness, Christians are being persecuted, I am a Christian, therefore I am being persecuted, QED. I’m so glad I can sleep soundly in my warm queen size bed after eating twice my daily recommended caloric requirement and not feel guilty about the world’s poor or starving. What with me being PERSECUTED and all, I must be on the right track. I can’t wait for the “war on Christmas” to start up to make me feel even more persecuted and thereby justify my blatant crass consumerism!”

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I have come to the exact same conclusion. That's the religious side of it anyway. I assume there is also "Just using it as an excuse" - element when someone just doesn't like that things change in the culture. Religiousized version of "Change is bad" - mentality.

I think the same religious phenomenon happens when people read Jesus saying "Love your enemy" and then majority of the folk reading this assume that because they're saintly Christians, with zero room for improvement, they must be already doing so. Then to explain how their not-loving-the-enemy is actually loving the enemy, they come up with messed up, inflated definition for "love" to keep up the saintly self-image.

I'd appreciate much much more if they, instead of these rhetorical magic tricks, just spilled out "I don't love my enemies and will never do" - it wouldn't be any less saintly as the rhetorical dance - approach, but miles more honest.

wilts43 said:

Islam is not like other religions, in one vital respect that directly feeds violence.
"Apostasy" is punishable by death!

You are welcome to become a Muslim; but it is easier to leave the Mafia than Islam.

This is the problem with Islam; but it is seldom highlighted.

The punishment for changing your religion (away from Islam) in most Islamic countries is death....even if it is not universally enforced. Perhaps this is one reason for its growth! Although boasts of this growth are rendered meaningless by this coersive membership.

Coersion, in the name of God, is inherently violent; it is only a small step to jihad.

Fundamentalism springs from worshipping sacred texts as "God-facts". This ultimately permit the killing of persons in obedience to what God has put in black-&-white. Islam is also the epitome of this kind of religion.

"The right to be convinced and to convert from Islam to another religion is held by only a minority of Muslim scholars. This view of religious freedom is, however, not shared by the vast majority of Muslim scholars both past as well as present. Most classical and modern Muslim jurists regard apostasy (riddah), defined by them as an act of rejection of faith committed by a Muslim whose Islam had been affirmed without coercion, as a crime deserving the death penalty."


— Abdul Rashied Oma

I am aware that most muslims in most places are peaceful people of good will. But Islam does not teach "peacefulness" in the sense of tolerating non-adherents or other religion. It appears to be more an acceptance of current realities.

I am all for peace & dialogue. But although I am what Americans would call left-leaning (because of Catholic Social Teaching) I think it is naivete to talk as if Islam does not have a major inherent problem.

We need to talk to Muslims about them accepting full religious freedom (no small task & perhaps contrary to the Koran)

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The Interfaith Dialogs are a farce. They are put forward by the Muslim Brotherhood, at least initially. Usually on the panel is someone from ISNA, or ICNA, or some other Muslim Brotherhood front group. There could also be a local imam on the panel too.

The Muslim Brotherhood has outright said (in the Holy Land Foundation Trial Docs that were declassified) that their goals is to gain useful idiots to bring 'our miserable house down'.

Here are some older articles but still very much applicable about these farces that too many of our religious leaders fall for.

interfaith dialogs | The Counter Jihad Report

Some churches have gone the way of Chrislam. I don't know how any Christian can fall for this unless they are totally ignorant of what the koran says and don't have a clue about taqiyya (and kithman, tawriya, and muruna - forms of Islamic deception/jihad).

There is nothing Abrahamic about islam. They mention him but the message is the complete opposite from the Bible.

Stephen Coughlin, The Red Pill briefing Part 1.

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And then there is the law of abrogation. moslems don't tell you about that. the peaceful verses are abrogated by the violent verses.

[Staff edit] moslem is a follower of islam... an ideology that is more political than religious. Dr. Bill Warner has broken down the koran and Sunnah and found it is mostly political and about war, and it is obsessed about the kufar.

politicalislam.com

When it comes to Islam, in the big scheme of things, I'm far more worried about the theocratic element than the terrorists. Normal people with normal lives don't want to blow themselves up in a crowd but normal people with ordinary lives might very well want to pass religious laws that limit everyone elses freedoms.

The term 'all Muslims' is about as useful as the term 'all Christians'.

Pray for the Coptic Christians in the face of persecution, Pray for those who lost their lives this day, Pray for those who grieve, and pray for ourselves that love not hate might grow and blossom.

Above all give thanks for the persistent witness of the Coptic Church since the beginning. We remember that it was to Egypt the Holy Family fled in the face of persecution.

Pray that the war of Mobs and Magistrates against the innocent may end.

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List of Islamist terrorist attacks - Wikipedia

Armoured said:

And most of it is what I like to call “armchair” persecution.

I theorise that since the Bible speaks about how the true believers will find themselves being persecuted, and that such persecution is a sign you’re on the right path, it pulls at the conscience of many overweight, under exercised middle class westerners that their lives are somewhat lacking in persecution, and so to cover this seeming gap in their spiritual lives, they’ll desperately take anything remotely misconstruable as persecution and wrap it around themselves like a big reassuring blanket.

…”unfounded internet rumour that one of the Columbine murderers asked someone if they were a Christian before he killed her? HE WAS PERSECUTING CHRISTIANS! Thank goodness, Christians are being persecuted, I am a Christian, therefore I am being persecuted, QED. I’m so glad I can sleep soundly in my warm queen size bed after eating twice my daily recommended caloric requirement and not feel guilty about the world’s poor or starving. What with me being PERSECUTED and all, I must be on the right track. I can’t wait for the “war on Christmas” to start up to make me feel even more persecuted and thereby justify my blatant crass consumerism!”

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Brilliant.

Jack of Spades said:

When it comes to Islam, in the big scheme of things, I'm far more worried about the theocratic element than the terrorists. Normal people with normal lives don't want to blow themselves up in a crowd but normal people with ordinary lives might very well want to pass religious laws that limit everyone elses freedoms.

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Yeah, I totally agree with you. Unfortunately, the truth about what islam teaches is not taught in our schools, nor by many of our academics, nor religious leaders. Too many appease and apologize for a really bad ideology, but they also do the same for secular liberalism (or what I call regressive liberals) that is basically Marxism.

So many of the young today think that being an atheist, Marxist (regressive liberal, progressive, socialist, etc) is cool, or ok.

But terrorism works as we have seen in many African, Middle Eastern, etc countries. But it is more than terrorism that is only one form of jihad. Jihad by the word/pen (deception, propaganda, acting the victim when they are not, etc) is very insidious and has seeped into our kid's textbooks. And not even our religious leaders are demanding better for our kids.



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Truth in Textbooks

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SummerMadness said:

That's not true.

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Well, since it was not edited or deleted in the significant clean, it must be true- or at least agreed upon by somebody....

JustOneWay said:

Well, since it was not edited or deleted in the significant clean, it must be true- or at least agreed upon by somebody....

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They don't delete comments for falsehood.

Armoured said:

They don't delete comments for falsehood.

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LOL

I removed posts that were off topic or in some way breaking a rule. I did not attempt to verify the truth or not of various statements being made.