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2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, one who needn’t be ashamed, one who correctly handles the word of truth.
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Why do people like Seventh-day Adventist and Adventist doctrine?
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2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, one who needn’t be ashamed, one who correctly handles the word of truth.
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I say this sincerely. Don't just believe something because the church you go to tells you it is true. I did That once, it was a terrible time for me.
If the sda church ( or any church) tells you you can accept as christians people who have no conscience they sin by failing to observe a specific saturday Sabbath, you only have two choices if you are sda. Either you must accept your church is wrong, or you must accept the holy spirit did not write the fourth commandment as written on the mind and place it on the heart of people who have no conscience they sin by failing to observe a set Saturday Sabbath.
You have to decide what matters most. What the church tells you or spiritual truth
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Gerhard Ebersoehn
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Higher standards for more works-righteousness and complete self-justification.
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mark wright
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Actually no one was truly righteous under the law whilst the old covenant was in operation:
Do not bring your servant into judgement, for no one living is righteous before you
Psalms143:2
Do not bring your servant into judgement, for no one living is righteous before you
Psalms143:2
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In the earthly world, you get what you earn, you get what you deserve, the harder you work the better reward. And people take that into their christianity
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The New Covenant places and keeps 'the Ten Commandments and faith in Jesus' together right down to the end of the Christian era (to the end of time).
((Revelation 12:17 …those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.))
To 'keep' and 'hold fast' do imply that these aspects of faith are treasured by God's people -- in a way not dissimilar to one possessing a valuable keepsake which is dearly treasured. It is not just a raw statement of fact. Those who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus, do so passionately.
While this is true, I don't claim in any way to be perfect. Otherwise, what sins would I have to confess -- (which I spoke about in an earlier post.)
((Revelation 14:12 …the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.))
We might ask which commands/commandments are referred to here?
The context is clear.
First Commandment: Regarding worship -- men worshiped the dragon and the beast rather than God. Revelation 13:4
Second Commandment: Regarding idolatry -- men set up an image and coerced people to worship it. Revelation 13:15
Third Commandment: Regarding blasphemy -- men blasphemed God. Revelation 13:6
Fourth Commandment: Regarding rest -- men are called to worship God, wherein Revelation quotes the Sabbath commandment (Exodus 20:11) which refers us back to God's rest at creation. Revelation 14:7
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Gerhard Ebersoehn
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Yes, the letter administers condemnation. Unless a person is crazy, who would want the letter to do that?! Strange enough, most people are. Some only are not happy that the letter does the condemnation; they want to do it themselves at a <<higher standard>>.
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If that were but true the church(es) / <christianity> would have been much better off, more just, more holy, more honest, more heavenly and less as if they are of the earthly world and not in the earthly world.
And Mark Wright would have agreed, were it not the Sabbath would be justified by the harder work and honesty of the Church. Mark Wright resents your Sabbath Day, understand o Lord!
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First, let me correct you on one point. Ellen White was not "the founder" of the Adventist Church or even the Adventist movement. It's possible it could be argued that she was one of the founders, she was certainly a big part of it. To state that she was "THE founder" paints the wrong picture. Hiram Edson, James White, Joseph Bates, J. N. Andrews and Ellen G. White were all founders. All of them played very important roles in the formation of the church. Some would argue that there were others that played a more significant role in the actual formation of the church.
For a long time, it was not a denomination because the participants and leaders looked at their group as a movement. They didn't really want to become a denomination but they found they had to because it caused too much confusion otherwise.
I think it's important that if you are going to hate "the system" as you call it, that you properly understand it.
Second, to put that Ellen White quote back into the context from which it was wrestled, she was talking about. John 14:15 and Exodus 19:5.
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
~ John 14:15 KJV.
~ John 14:15 KJV.
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
~ Exodus 19:5 KJV.
A call to obedience seems indeed to be what these scriptures are talking about. If you have a different take I'd love to hear it.~ Exodus 19:5 KJV.
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It would be helpful if her quotes were not removed from their context so it was easier to see what she was talking about.
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Ellen White soteriology and even phraseology. Who do you want to trust you?!
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I agree and it's sad but true. However, this mindset happens in all churches and denominations. There are, "salvation by works" Christians everywhere. Most protestant churches including the Adventist do not hold to that doctrine but it does not prevent individuals from gravitating to it. I think it's one of these illnesses of the human condition. We like to control things, we like to take the bull by the horns and feel like we are doing something to contribute. So I think it's human nature to want to feel like we are contributing to our own salvation.
It's wrong to stand on the hill and point to a denomination and say, "look look, some of your members are trying to earn their salvation. Because they did this and this and that". If a denomination clearly states in their profession of beliefs that they believe in salvation by grace and grace alone, that's what you have to take. It's different if you're looking at say Catholics or JW's who plainly state that they believe works are how you earn your salvation.
Often those church members that are trying to earn God favour have eureka moments and do figure it out by the grace of God.
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The idea of keeping the law written in your mind and heart is not only new covenant it was part of the old covenant as well. In fact, when they talked about it in the NT the authors are quoting the OT. When God gave Israel the ten commandments he knew they could not keep them. His expectation for them was to keep them written in their hearts just as you stated. Jeremiah 31:33
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
~ Jeremiah 31:33 KJV.
~ Jeremiah 31:33 KJV.
I guess we can agree that this part has not changed. So the important part for us is to determine what does that mean. It obviously does not mean that we can ignore them or not keep them. Writing them on our heart means we accept them as principles to guide our lives, we make them a part of us. It's much bigger than just following them or trying to.
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I think you are incorrect, thinking that God the Son appeared in the form of the archangel Michael. Where does it say that in scripture and what happened to the real archangel Michael during this time? You have a lot of explaining to do in order to get me to believe this, your first point. I don't think you can do it. It was, "wrote afore in few words," Ephesians 3:3, and you've used too many already.
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Why would you keep quoting this supposed member again and again like this is some official position of the church? Do this is a form of false witness. I doubt the person you are quoting is the president of the Church or any of the conferences. If I found a member of your church that said something that was embarrassing that contradicted the official beliefs of your denomination and then quoted it again and again you would think that was unfair. Why do you then think it's fair for you to do the same. The Adventist beliefs are published on the internet and are easy to find. Go look them up and stop pretending this alleged quotation id some form of official position of the church.
I think we can all agree that bearing false witness is a sin. Even those that believe they are not bound to the ten commandments agree bearing false witness is a sin.
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That's not exactly correctly stated what we believe. We do believe the US will play a big part. Seeing world events and how they have unfolded recently are there many people who would seriously doubt this is a possibility?
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Which commandments are mentioned in Revelation by John? The same ones he mentions in his epistles I imagine:
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him
And this is his command: To believe in the name of his son Jesus Christ and to love one another as he commanded us.
1john3:21-23
You either follow after the holy spirit or the written code, you cant do both
But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the NEW way of the spirit, not the OLD way of the written code rom7:6
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Those who INSIST a seventh day Sabbath must be observed follow after the written code, not the holy spirit, it is one or the other.
There is nothing wrong with anyone holding to a set day Sabbath. To insist everyone else must is where you err.
You either follow after the holy spirit OR the written code:
But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve un the NEW way of the Spirit and not the OLD way of the written code. Rom7:6
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Wheras I agree people in all denominations believe in a works based Gospel, having been to an SDA church I would say they stress following the letter to a greater degree than I personally have found elsewhere.
And their theology on the specific point that sets them apart is clearly at fault if one understands the New Covenant. If you sin under this covenant you must have heartfelt conviction you sin when you do so. Obviously they do not understand that
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