Why do people like Seventh-day Adventist and Adventist doctrine?

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Jeremiah 31:31-33 says the NEW Covenant places the LAW of God on the heart and mind.

Let's have some Bible exegesis without all the ranting ... what "LAW" did Jeremiah and his readers understand to be written on the heart and mind? What is the "intended meaning of the author for his contemporary readers?" - you know... actual exegesis.
You need to put away leaning on the academic mind and rely on the holy spirit to lead you into truth.

I have already explained to you it I not possible to go against the law placed in your heart without heartfelt conviction you sin by doing so.

Yet the sda accept as christians those who have no heartfelt conviction they sin by failing to observe a specific saturday Sabbath.

What does your academic mind conclude from That spiritual truth?
 
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It is perfectly understandable why you have 1 like.
You are not able to understand what I wrote nor what Paul wrote and you can not put it together---my condolences and Please--don't bother quoting me anymore!! My one bit of advice to you----please, love women enough to stay single!!!
Oh I understand what you wrote. I also understand romans ch7
Paul is not speaking of his christian life in verses 14-23 but his life as a
pharisee

Now you think I don't understand your thinking. You say you believe we are justified by faith in Christ but christians will then obey the TC out of love for God, if they don't they won't get to heaven.
The problem with that is. If any reasonable person then sets out on the christian walk taking That view they will naturally focus on obeying the TC believing if they do not succeed they are condemned
They then live under a justification of observing the law
That's the real world!
 
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You need to put away leaning on the academic mind and rely on the holy spirit to lead you into truth.

When I quote scripture you ignore it.
When I call for paying attention to the details - - you ignore them.
When I point out that even your own pro-sunday scholars admit to these details - you ignore it.
When I point out that you are not even using well established objective rules for avoiding scripture-wrenching you say such objectivity no value for you.

I have already explained to you it I not possible to go against the law in your heart without heartfelt conviction you sin by doing so.

Is it your belief that each time someone prays to the dead, or works to get a friend out of purgatory, or bows down before an image in church - that they are all experiencing "heartfelt conviction that they are making a mistake"?

Really? Do you regard your own "feelings" as a better guide for right vs wrong - than the Bible itself??

Because even Jesus admitted that there are those who are blind to certain mistakes "Father forgive them for they know not what they do".

In Acts 10 - Peter needs a "kick in the pants" to get him to go to a gentile's house to evangelize. When he gets there he reminds those gentiles how it is supposedly 'unlawful for a Jew to go to a gentile's home" --

Now we all know that there was no such law in the actual scriptures - but man-made-tradition invented it - and Peter was hard pressed to figure out that all of his "good feelings" about that man-made-law was dead-wrong (and so he gets a firm kick in the pants to guide him).
 
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Just to add. Of course through reading scripture we get convicted of different things. I've heard it said you can read a verse 50 times but on the next occasion you read it something leaps out at you.
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I found it hard to forgive someone who had wronged me. Then I was convicted through a portion of scripture I must forgive them. I always knew in my heart we must forgive, but at times God strongly convicts through what we read.
However, I instinctively knew a christian should not lie, steal, commit adultery, take the Lords name in vain for example. I didn't have to firstly read That in the bible, I was convicted of it in my heart.
Hope I have covered all your post now
Yes, we firmly agree here. My concluding summary on this immediate point is -- The Love of God, the Spirit of God, the Word of God, and 'everything God has at his disposal' work together to write the law of God on our hearts and minds.
‘For the law has been placed on my heart and written on my mind’
 
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Yet the sda accept as christians those who have no heartfelt conviction they sin by failing to observe a specific saturday Sabbath.

Is it your "feeling" that God made a mistake in defining the Bible Sabbath as He did? Made for mankind? complete with "tomorrow is the Sabbath" Exodus 16 -- specifying the very "7th day" of the week?

Was He in error to do that according to your "feelings"??

Ever heard of that song -- "The B.I.B.L.E - yes that's the book for me - I stand alone on the Word of God..."?
 
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When I quote scripture you ignore it.
When I call for paying attention to the details - - you ignore them.
When I point out that even your own pro-sunday scholars admit to these details - you ignore it.
When I point out that you are not even using well established objective rules for avoiding scripture-wrenching you say such objectivity no value for you.



Is it your belief that each time someone prays to the dead, or works to get a friend out of purgatory, or bows down before an image in church - that they are all experiencing "heartfelt conviction that they are making a mistake"?

Really? Do you regard your own "feelings" as a better guide for right vs wrong - than the Bible itself??

Because even Jesus admitted that there are those who are blind to certain mistakes "Father forgive them for they know not what they do".

In Acts 10 - Peter needs a "kick in the pants" to get him to go to a gentile's house to evangelize. When he gets there he reminds those gentiles how it is supposedly 'unlawful for a Jew to go to a gentile's home" --

Now we all know that there was no such law in the actual scriptures - but man-made-tradition invented it - and Peter was hard pressed to figure out that all of his "good feelings" about that man-made-law was dead-wrong (and so he gets a firm kick in the pants to guide him).
The words of desperation, and misconstruing my beliefs that always happens when someone has nowhere to go I debate.
I'm going to repeat this.

Whatever law the Holy Spirit has written on your mind you instinctively know in your mind. And when you transgress the law placed on your heart you MUST have heartfelt conviction you sin by doing so.
Yet the sda accept as christians people who have no heartfelt conviction they sin by failing to observe a specific Saturday Sabbath. The only way you can be a christian and not be conscious you sin by failing to observe a specific Saturday Sabbath is if the holy spirit has not placed That specific law as worded in your heart.
That is spiritual truth, which means the sda have made a major gaffe by not understanding that truth
 
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You need to put away leaning on the academic mind and rely on the holy spirit to lead you into truth.

When I quote scripture you ignore it.
When I call for paying attention to the details - - you ignore them.
When I point out that even your own pro-sunday scholars admit to these details - you ignore it.
When I point out that you are not even using well established objective rules for avoiding scripture-wrenching you say such objectivity no value for you.

I have already explained to you it I not possible to go against the law in your heart without heartfelt conviction you sin by doing so.

Is it your belief that each time someone prays to the dead, or works to get a friend out of purgatory, or bows down before an image in church - that they are all experiencing "heartfelt conviction that they are making a mistake"?

Really? Do you regard your own "feelings" as a better guide for right vs wrong - than the Bible itself??

Because even Jesus admitted that there are those who are blind to certain mistakes "Father forgive them for they know not what they do".

In Acts 10 - Peter needs a "kick in the pants" to get him to go to a gentile's house to evangelize. When he gets there he reminds those gentiles how it is supposedly 'unlawful for a Jew to go to a gentile's home" --

Now we all know that there was no such law in the actual scriptures - but man-made-tradition invented it - and Peter was hard pressed to figure out that all of his "good feelings" about that man-made-law was dead-wrong (and so he gets a firm kick in the pants to guide him).

The words of desperation, and misconstruing my beliefs

No. It was just an attempt to get you to see that "feelings-are-my-guide-over-the-Bible" is a bad road to go down.

Give me the Bible - AND the WORDS In the Bible.

Many people "have a Bible" - but how many ignore almost everything in it and just "go with feelings"??


Whatever law the Holy Spirit has written on your mind you instinctively know in your mind.

The Holy Spirit convicts us all that the BIBLE is the WORD of God and that we are to reject all the teachers that tell us that rebellion against the Word of God is ok as long as you "feel like it" and are not feeling bad about doing it.

Even your own pro-Sunday scholars will tell you this.

It just does not get any easier than this.


the sda accept as christians people who have no heartfelt conviction they sin by failing to observe a specific Saturday Sabbath. The only way you can beva christian and not ve cobscious you sin by failing to observe a specific Saturday Sabbath is if the holy spirit has not placed Tha specific law as worded I your heart.

Each time you 'just quote you' as your source for that doctrine - you give away the flaw in you theology that all can see.

Reconsider.

Finding ways to avoid conviction of sin -- is not new to humanity. And as I pointed out there are a great many Christians praying to the dead right now - and they don't "feel bad" about it at all. And we both know it.

in Christ,
Bob
 
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Is it your "feeling" that God made a mistake in defining the Bible Sabbath as He did? Made for mankind? complete with "tomorrow is the Sabbath" Exodus 16 -- specifying the very "7th day" of the week?

Was He in error to do that according to your "feelings"??

Ever heard of that song -- "The B.I.B.L.E - yes that's the book for me - I stand alone on the Word of God..."?
One man considers one day more sacred/ holy than another, another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Rom 14:5

I live under the new covenant, you should try it
 
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When I quote scripture you ignore it.
When I call for paying attention to the details - - you ignore them.
When I point out that even your own pro-sunday scholars admit to these details - you ignore it.
When I point out that you are not even using well established objective rules for avoiding scripture-wrenching you say such objectivity no value for you.



Is it your belief that each time someone prays to the dead, or works to get a friend out of purgatory, or bows down before an image in church - that they are all experiencing "heartfelt conviction that they are making a mistake"?

Really? Do you regard your own "feelings" as a better guide for right vs wrong - than the Bible itself??

Because even Jesus admitted that there are those who are blind to certain mistakes "Father forgive them for they know not what they do".

In Acts 10 - Peter needs a "kick in the pants" to get him to go to a gentile's house to evangelize. When he gets there he reminds those gentiles how it is supposedly 'unlawful for a Jew to go to a gentile's home" --

Now we all know that there was no such law in the actual scriptures - but man-made-tradition invented it - and Peter was hard pressed to figure out that all of his "good feelings" about that man-made-law was dead-wrong (and so he gets a firm kick in the pants to guide him).



No. It was just an attempt to get you to see that "feelings-are-my-guide-over-the-Bible" is a bad road to go down.

Give me the Bible - AND the WORDS In the Bible.

Many people "have a Bible" - but how many ignore almost everything in it and just "go with feelings"??




The Holy Spirit convicts us all that the BIBLE is the WORD of God and that we are to reject all the teachers that tell us that rebellion against the Word of God is ok as long as you "feel like it" and are not feeling bad about doing it.

Even your own pro-Sunday scholars will tell you this.

It just does not get any easier than this.




Each time you 'just quote you' as your source for that doctrine - you give away the flaw in you theology that all can see.

Reconsider.

Finding ways to avoid conviction of sin -- is not new to humanity. And as I pointed out there are a great many Christians praying to the dead right now - and they don't "feel bad" about it at all. And we both know it.

in Christ,
Bob
Nothing stimulating to read here, just desperate and slanted statements.
BTW

Oh yes, I've read your posts about obey the commandments
Why didn't you add that you break them?
 
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For those who believe we must look to and obey a variety of commandments:

Carry each others burdens and so FULFILL the law of Christ
Gal6:2

And this is his command to believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and to love one another as he commanded us

1john3:23

The commandments. Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not covet and whatever other commandments there may be are summed up in this one rule. Love your neighbour as yourself. Love does no harm to itd neighbour. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law
Rom13:9&10

You don't look to a list of laws and strive to obey them all, that was the old covenant, try the new one!
 
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And why keep stating:
You must obey the TC

Why not state:

You must obey the beatitudes to get to heaven. That is set to a higher standard than the literal wording of the TC!

They are Christs commands and he spoke the words of God on this earth.

Try the new covenant, its very good
 
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Yet the sda accept as christians those who have no heartfelt conviction they sin by failing to observe a specific saturday Sabbath.

What kind of obviously no scholarly mind or worse failing spirit could write 22 words with less order or sense or conviction than these?
 
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What kind of obviously no scholarly mind or worse failing spirit could write 22 words with less order or sense or conviction than these?
The greatest power and most rapid growth seen I the christian church was before the emergance of the scholar and theologian, not after
 
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In the new covenant you have a saviour from your sin, he is your righteousness/ justification before the father, not lawkeeping.

The christian has no righteousness/ justification of observing the law under the new covenant, its written multiple times.
The christian is released from the law and serves in the new way of the spirit and not the old way of the written code.
The letter kills, the Spirit gives life.

The yardstick for attaining heaven isn't obeying what Paul stated was the ministry of condemnation/ the letter that kills
 
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For those who believe we must look to and obey a variety of commandments:

Carry each others burdens and so FULFILL the law of Christ
Gal6:2

And this is his command to believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and to love one another as he commanded us

1john3:23

The commandments. Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not covet and whatever other commandments there may be are summed up in this one rule. Love your neighbour as yourself. Love does no harm to itd neighbour. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law
Rom13:9&10

You don't look to a list of laws and strive to obey them all, that was the old covenant, try the new one!

Don't look at Moses, look at Mark Right; do as he does, call full marks to My Self, it's my human right!
 
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Whatever law the Holy Spirit has written on your mind you instinctively know in your mind.
Some of us get ‘suspicious and paranoid about everything’ when we know people whom the Holy Spirit has taken to realms far beyond Scripture.

I have a friend (he is my neighbour, and he much more Pentecostal than I am) who through the working of the Holy Spirit is now 2,000 years advanced on New Testament teaching. His ‘in the heart’ experience has taken him where neither Peter nor Paul would have dreamed to go.

There is much I could say, but I’ll quickly go back even further to the beginning of creation.

Going back to Genesis, he sees two creations of mankind. Mankind was first created (as recorded in Genesis Chapter One) and lived and died on the earth for tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of years. ((Genesis 1:26 God said, “Let us make mankind in our image.”))

This, according to my neighbor, is the first creation of humankind.

The second is recorded in ((Genesis 2:7, Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground.)) This is the creation of Adam and Eve. This separate creation of humankind came much later than the first, and was much superior to the first.

To him, the first creation is affirmed by the general understanding of the fossil record whereby it is seen that animals and mankind have lived on earth for a huge length of time. (The Holy Spirit has confirmed this truth to him.)

In contrast, the creation of Adam and Eve occurred only about 6,000 years ago. (This is affirmed by the genealogies recorded in Scripture. And these family records cannot be stretched to make them go back hundreds of thousands of years.)

He is adamant that these truths were revealed to him solely by the Spirit of God, and cannot be acquired by anyone from the Word of God.

We get suspicious when such people -- he is a church leader -- no longer heed the words of Scripture.

This obviously makes it difficult for all those for whom ‘Scripture’ and the ‘Spirit’ go hand in hand.

2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, one who needn’t be ashamed, one who correctly handles the word of truth.
 
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Some of us get ‘suspicious and paranoid about everything’ when we know people whom the Holy Spirit has taken to realms far beyond Scripture.

I have a friend (he is my neighbour, and he much more Pentecostal than I am) who through the working of the Holy Spirit is now 2,000 years advanced on New Testament teaching. His ‘in the heart’ experience has taken him where neither Peter nor Paul would have dreamed to go.

There is much I could say, but I’ll quickly go back even further to the beginning of creation.

Going back to Genesis, he sees two creations of mankind. Mankind was first created (as recorded in Genesis Chapter One) and lived and died on the earth for tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of years. ((Genesis 1:26 God said, “Let us make mankind in our image.”))

This, according to my neighbor, is the first creation of humankind.

The second is recorded in ((Genesis 2:7, Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground.)) This is the creation of Adam and Eve. This separate creation of humankind came much later than the first, and was much superior to the first.

To him, the first creation is affirmed by the general understanding of the fossil record whereby it is seen that animals and mankind have lived on earth for a huge length of time. (The Holy Spirit has confirmed this truth to him.)

In contrast, the creation of Adam and Eve occurred only about 6,000 years ago. (This is affirmed by the genealogies recorded in Scripture. And these family records cannot be stretched to make them go back hundreds of thousands of years.)

He is adamant that these truths were revealed to him solely by the Spirit of God, and cannot be acquired by anyone from the Word of God.

We get suspicious when such people -- he is a church leader -- no longer heed the words of Scripture.

This obviously makes it difficult for all those for whom ‘Scripture’ and the ‘Spirit’ go hand in hand.
I had a vey unhappy experience in a Pentecostal church, you are right to be wary.

Of course, stating you must be conscious you sin if you transgress the law on your heart is spiritual fact.

For through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20
 
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