Why do people like Seventh-day Adventist and Adventist doctrine?

mmksparbud said:

You go right ahead with your delusions, I'll waste no more time with such a determined, blinded individual. My condolences.

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You are the one who is blind my friend, not me.
You follow the written code, that must be unarguable for all you do is ceaselessly quote it as the way of obedience.
So tell me.
Is obeying the ten commandments a requirement to enter heaven?
It either is or it isnt, the answer is yes or no.
If you cannot answer yes or no, doctrinally you are in a lot of trouble

East coast remnant believes as every seventh day Adventist I have ever met believes.
The requirement to enter heaven is obedience to the ten commandments.
Do you disagree with him and every other sda I have personally known?

It is so old covenant to keep referring to the ten commandments. Why not stress the beatitudes is the requirement to enter heaven?
That's tougher than the literal wording of the TC isn't it

How did Paul view Christs law?
Did he specifically state individual commandments must be obeyed to fulfill it?
No!

Carry each others burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ Gal6:2

Love them!!

When my late mother was diagnosed terminally ill with cancer my wife and I went to look after her in her home during her illness.
I loved my mother dearly. During this time I put aside my own wants and desires and just wanted to do things for her That brought happiness to her. I didn't covet what was hers, steal from her, want to murder her, I didn't bear false witness against her and I honoured her.
Did I act this way because I knew the TC and sought to obey them concerning my mother?
No!
They never once crossed my mind during that time.
So why did I act as I did?
Because I loved my mother dearly

Love fulfills the law.

Shalom, Shalom!

I grew up in the Seventh Day Adventist Church, and even though I now hold some views that differ with its beliefs, I feel blessed for growing up as one.

Shalom, Shalom!

I grew up in the Seventh Day Adventist Church, and even though I now hold some views that differ with its beliefs, I feel blessed for growing up as one.

I have no issues with the SDA. In fact I love hw they hold true to the Sabbath.

BobRyan said:

There is a poorly named thread on this section of the board "why do people hate Seventh-day ADventists?" that could have a lot of the similar posts given - without such a bad title. ...

So then ... a "better title' for those who want to engage in that discussion but would not do it on a thread with such a poor title.

for example here is a post to consider

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The SDA denomination is not a cult. In fact in the book "Kingdom of The Cults" by Walter Martin (Not an SDA) a number of different groups were reviewed - including the SDA church and Martin shows definatively that the SDA church is not a Cult.

In fact in 2015 Christianity Today stated that Adventists are the 5th largest Christian denomination world wide. So it is irrefutably true that indeed some people like Seventh-day Adventists and also Adventist doctrine. But that does not mean all do.

As for "hating SDAs" I think that is also not true for most normal people.

For example Dr. Ben Carson - a recent presidential candidate is SDA.

What is more "Hacksaw Ridge" is about Desmond Doss - an SDA soldier.

Neither of these guys is "hated" by normal people - as a general rule. And I have met them both.

in Christ,

Bob

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It is interesting to note that ALL faiths garner a small to large group of followers. This has been the case since creation. But if we limit the text to the subject SDA, their followers are quite small (not quite 10 million) in comparison to some of the very large "followings"; such as the RCC, Baptists and Methodists.

However, the number of followers governed by a particular belief does NOT make that group any more wrong (or right) when it comes to truth.

Remember: THE only "truth" void of ANY errors or fallibilities is Jesus. Oh indeed yes. For ALL other beliefs contain errors and are very fallible when it comes to satan's vitriolic influence. Jesus said, "Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs (satan is the quintessential "false" Christ), and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it 'was' possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Jesus also said, Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The reason for that "shortening" of life ON earth (bringing an end to earth as we know it); there would come a time when ALL doctrines would be totally in error and fallible to every known lie in the satan could foment into mankind.

So the SDA has some beliefs that are indeed correct and they have some that are not. But we can NOT judge that by assuming that ours or any one's interpretation is the "right" one.

I am NOT an SDA follower. But then I am not a RCC, Baptist, Methodist or Pentecostal, etc, etc, and ETC, follower! For again, ALL beliefs contain truths ensconced in satan-led errors and falibilities. Oh indeed yes.

MOST importantly, I am sure that a number of my beliefs probably contain errors. Further, I believe that Jesus WOULD rebuke those errors IF He was standing on this earth now. AND He would say that to EVERY other person on this planet. who ever lived; including "Prophets", disciples, priests, pastors, "imams", etc, etc, and etc!

This includes St Paul; who is considered by many to be THE greatest preacher who has ever lived. This goes for Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. Believe it or not.

This is why: John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Notice, He never said that ANY other entity was the "way" the "truth" or the "life". Thus He is the ONLY truth, void of any errency and fallibility that will ever be.

Thus the SDA is no different when it comes to truth. Do I condone every doctrine of theirs? Heavens NO! But I don't believe that about any other doctrine either! And that goes for mine also.

So I go to Jesus for truth and then ask Him to guide me to the truth, NO matter where it it is. Because even Bibles contain errors; regardless of what Christians say. Believe it or not; the errors ARE there!

One day when ALL truth is revealed; ALL will know this.

Mark me Words!

In any case, May Jesus richly bless you always,

patdee

mark wright said:

And the majority of church goers in reality believe they will attain heaven by obeying the commandments, the sda much stresses this.

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Is it possible that we could get a right balance between 'Keeping the commandments of God' and 'Faith in Jesus Christ?' The Bible links one with the other.

Revelation 12:17
…those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

Revelation 14:12
…the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

We might ask which commands/commandments are referred to here?
The context is clear.
First Commandment: Regarding worship -- men worshiped the dragon and the beast rather than God. Revelation 13:4
Second Commandment: Regarding idolatry -- men set up an image and coerced people to worship it. Revelation 13:15
Third Commandment: Regarding blasphemy -- men blasphemed God. Revelation 13:6
Fourth Commandment: Regarding rest -- men are called to worship God, wherein Revelation quotes the Sabbath commandment (Exodus 20:11) which refers us back to God's rest at creation. Revelation 14:7

In what way should we 'Keep the commandments of God' and 'Faith in Jesus Christ?' Or do we ignore one in favour of the other?

BobRyan said:

So you think that some believe that if they just don't take God's name in vain that they will "attain heaven"?

Is that because you think that taking God's name in vain is just no big deal and that one would only comply with that part of God's Word if they wanted to "attain heaven without the Gospel"??

Is that really the form of argument you wish to present to us??

Seriously??

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mark wright said:

But I'm not the one continually bearing false witness am I, you are.
Therefore who is keeping the commandment and who is not?
A good example of who's way brings better obedience

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BobRyan said:

Rev 14:12 "The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"



And the result?

Rev 14:12 "The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"



Now see? That wasn't so hard after all.

But then we "go back to this"

In response to --

Rev 14:12 "The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"



Is this your way of agreeing with Rev 14:12 -- or attacking it??

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Graham Lloyd Dull said:

Is it possible that we could get a right balance between 'Keeping the commandments of God' and 'Faith in Jesus Christ?' The Bible links one with the other.

Revelation 12:17
…those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

Revelation 14:12
…the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

We might ask which commands/commandments are referred to here?
The context is clear.
First Commandment: Regarding worship -- men worshiped the dragon and the beast rather than God. Revelation 13:4
Second Commandment: Regarding idolatry -- men set up an image and coerced people to worship it. Revelation 13:15
Third Commandment: Regarding blasphemy -- men blasphemed God. Revelation 13:6
Fourth Commandment: Regarding rest -- men are called to worship God, wherein Revelation quotes the Sabbath commandment (Exodus 20:11) which refers us back to God's rest at creation. Revelation 14:7

In what way should we 'Keep the commandments of God' and 'Faith in Jesus Christ?' Or do we ignore one in favour of the other?

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Why did you stop at the fourth commandment?
At the age of ten i became a christian. I then became aware of my sin for the law God desired me to keep had been written on my mind and placed on my heart.
If i got angry I felt guilt, if I said unkind things I felt guilt for that is not how a christian should act.
But it was when I hit puberty the problems manifested. I had impure thoughts. I was breaking the TC/ moral law. I firmly believed christians obeyed the moral law, it was non christians who didn't. Indeed, Bob Ryan of the SDA has confirmed this is his belief, christians do not break the moral law of God. They obey the commandments
What was I to do? I didn't want to go to hell, I wanted to live a pure life and be a christian. If an impure thought came to me therefore my stomach churned over. I feared hell. But I couldn't resist those thoughts. They relentlessly grew stronger. How could I be a christian? I was failing to obey the TC/ moral law, the law written on my mind and placed on my heart.
I masturbated and that made me feel dirty, rotten and ashamed. Why could i not be like the church folk I met each week. They wore their Sunday best and had such Godly smiles. They shook my hand after the service and gave me a relevant scripture verse if necessary. Why could i not be pure as they were? Why was I full of sin on the inside? What was wrong with me, why could I not be like them?
I could act holy on the outside but what good was that? I was breaking the moral law of God/ TC on the inside. The lust/ impure thoughts magnified, I was consumed by them. I felt heavy, and weary from my failed efforts to resist
What was I to do?
I had no choice I left the church when I was fiftern. I am sure seventh day Adventists believe I did the correct thing, for I could not obey the moral law as they say christians do. They say only non christians fail to obey the moral law. Christians keep the commandments.
In five years of wanting to be a christian I had simply become full of guilt, fear and all manner of concupiscence had been aroused in me

Revelation 12:17
…those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

Revelation 14:12
…the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

We might ask which commands/commandments are referred to here?
The context is clear.
First Commandment: Regarding worship -- men worshiped the dragon and the beast rather than God. Revelation 13:4
Second Commandment: Regarding idolatry -- men set up an image and coerced people to worship it. Revelation 13:15
Third Commandment: Regarding blasphemy -- men blasphemed God. Revelation 13:6
Fourth Commandment: Regarding rest -- men are called to worship God, wherein Revelation quotes the Sabbath commandment (Exodus 20:11) which refers us back to God's rest at creation. Revelation 14:7

mark wright said:

Why did you stop at the fourth commandment?

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You ask, why did I stop at the fourth commandment? Because my comment relates directly to the passage of Revelation from Chapters 12 to 14.

This passage makes mention of these four commandments in some detail. The obvious reason for this is because the first four commandments relate directly and specifically to our relationship with God. The final six relate to our relationship with others.

And here in Revelation the focus is on our relationship with God, or the lack of it.

I was in no way implying that the Ten Commandments are not a complete package from where we may choose to accept or reject as our fancy takes us.

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Regarding the rest of your comment, I fully understand where you are coming from. While true, it does not fit directly into the focus of Revelation Chapters 12 to 14.

Rather, such a discussion links to passages like Romans Chapters 7 and 8.

The saints are directed to love God and their fellow man, thus the relevance of all Ten Commandments.

Graham Lloyd Dull said:

Is it possible that we could get a right balance between 'Keeping the commandments of God' and 'Faith in Jesus Christ?' The Bible links one with the other.

Revelation 12:17
…those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

Revelation 14:12
…the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

We might ask which commands/commandments are referred to here?
The context is clear.
First Commandment: Regarding worship -- men worshiped the dragon and the beast rather than God. Revelation 13:4
Second Commandment: Regarding idolatry -- men set up an image and coerced people to worship it. Revelation 13:15
Third Commandment: Regarding blasphemy -- men blasphemed God. Revelation 13:6
Fourth Commandment: Regarding rest -- men are called to worship God, wherein Revelation quotes the Sabbath commandment (Exodus 20:11) which refers us back to God's rest at creation. Revelation 14:7

In what way should we 'Keep the commandments of God' and 'Faith in Jesus Christ?' Or do we ignore one in favour of the other?

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Looking back now, how could i describe what happened to me when I tried to be a Christian in my youth?

Well I know the law is not sin. The law revealed sin in me. I wouldn't have known lust if the law in my mind and heart had not said:
Thou shalt not covet.
But sin took advantage of my knowledge of the commandment and aroused all manner of concupiscence in me through that knowledge.
I had felt alive before the law came to me, just a normal happy kid, but once it did come, sin consciousness sprang to life in me and I died( or felt condemned)
The commandment I believed would give me life if I obeyed it, instead brought condemnation/ death for I could not keep it. Sin through the law slew me.
Yet I knew the law was holy, perfect, just and good, the problem was my sinful nature.
Through the commandment sin became utterly sinful in me.

The above is identical to what Paul said happened to him when the law came to him as a Pharisee. This would be when he came of age to make a commitment to God.
Staggering isn't it. I had been raised I a christian church but had exactly the same experience Paul had as a young Pharisee, with the same outcome.
But we had one thing in common. We both earnestly sought a justification for heaven of obedience to the moral law/TC and we knew what That entailed

Graham Lloyd Dull said:

Revelation 12:17
…those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

Revelation 14:12
…the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

We might ask which commands/commandments are referred to here?
The context is clear.
First Commandment: Regarding worship -- men worshiped the dragon and the beast rather than God. Revelation 13:4
Second Commandment: Regarding idolatry -- men set up an image and coerced people to worship it. Revelation 13:15
Third Commandment: Regarding blasphemy -- men blasphemed God. Revelation 13:6
Fourth Commandment: Regarding rest -- men are called to worship God, wherein Revelation quotes the Sabbath commandment (Exodus 20:11) which refers us back to God's rest at creation. Revelation 14:7


You ask, why did I stop at the fourth commandment? Because my comment relates directly to the passage of Revelation from Chapters 12 to 14.

This passage makes mention of these four commandments in some detail. The obvious reason for this is because the first four commandments relate directly and specifically to our relationship with God. The final six relate to our relationship with others.

And here in Revelation the focus is on our relationship with God, or the lack of it.

I was in no way implying that the Ten Commandments are not a complete package from where we may choose to accept or reject as our fancy takes us.

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Regarding the rest of your comment, I fully understand where you are coming from. While true, it does not fit directly into the focus of Revelation Chapters 12 to 14.

Rather, such a discussion links to passages like Romans Chapters 7 and 8.

The saints are directed to love God and their fellow man, thus the relevance of all Ten Commandments.

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You must agree, if you are sda that I did the correct thing I leaving the church and giving up with Christianity when I was fifteen as I could not obey the moral law. And sda are emphatic. Christians obey the moral law/ TC it is only non christians who do not.

If you are sda, would you tell teenagers in your church impure thoughts break the law of God and christians obey the law of God, only non christians do not

Graham Lloyd Dull said:

Revelation 12:17
…those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

Revelation 14:12
…the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

We might ask which commands/commandments are referred to here?
The context is clear.
First Commandment: Regarding worship -- men worshiped the dragon and the beast rather than God. Revelation 13:4
Second Commandment: Regarding idolatry -- men set up an image and coerced people to worship it. Revelation 13:15
Third Commandment: Regarding blasphemy -- men blasphemed God. Revelation 13:6
Fourth Commandment: Regarding rest -- men are called to worship God, wherein Revelation quotes the Sabbath commandment (Exodus 20:11) which refers us back to God's rest at creation. Revelation 14:7


You ask, why did I stop at the fourth commandment? Because my comment relates directly to the passage of Revelation from Chapters 12 to 14.

This passage makes mention of these four commandments in some detail. The obvious reason for this is because the first four commandments relate directly and specifically to our relationship with God. The final six relate to our relationship with others.

And here in Revelation the focus is on our relationship with God, or the lack of it.

I was in no way implying that the Ten Commandments are not a complete package from where we may choose to accept or reject as our fancy takes us.

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Regarding the rest of your comment, I fully understand where you are coming from. While true, it does not fit directly into the focus of Revelation Chapters 12 to 14.

Rather, such a discussion links to passages like Romans Chapters 7 and 8.

The saints are directed to love God and their fellow man, thus the relevance of all Ten Commandments.

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Its strange, the law of God written on my mind and placed on my heart when i was young hugely convicted me of sin in my youth. But that law did not convict me of sin as I failed to observe a specific seventh day Sabbath. Why not?