You mean like walking on water, walking through locked doors, teleportation, and the suspension of the second law of thermodynamics for forty years?
Just to name a very few?
Ya ... we're addressing science catching up to the Bible; not science catching up to science.Those aren't science. Those are claims.
Ya ... we're addressing science catching up to the Bible; not science catching up to science.
Remember?
Science needs to catch up to the claims of the Bible.
But due to the fact that science is myopic, I'm not going to expect that anytime soon ... or ever.
Hoo boy.And science has nothing to catch up to because there is no science in the Bible.
I have seen this claim made SO many times and yet have never seen anyone give an actual answer as to how the Bible is ahead of modern science.
Hoo boy.
Let's try it again, chief.
Science doesn't need to catch up to science.
Not in the King James Bible, not in the King James McGraw-Hill textbooks, not anywhere.
Science needs to catch up to the claims of the Bible.
The Bible never claims to be a text book on science but when it does speak on nature or physics it is absolutely accurate.
The Bible was ahead..
... When dealing with disease, hands should be washed under running water (Leviticus 15:13)..
... with the earth was free floating in a orbit . (Job 26:7,10)
The atmosphere is a terrestrial blanket making the earth inhabitable -- retaining heat, spreading light, providing air (Job.26:10). Only someone who could see it from off the planet would be able to know this.
Job 26:7 says the earth is suspended on nothing. Early man thought Atlas, a huge turtle or elephants held up the earth. In the North sky within the millions of stars is a vast expanse of blackness. The Bible was there before the telescope so only God could describe it. Today we know it is gravity that holds the planets and stars in their orbits making them appear to be hung on nothing.
... with the earth being round or a sphere. (Isaiah 40:22)
Job 22:14 says the earth is round. “And He walks above the circle of heaven.” The word meaning circle, circuit, compass that is our atmosphere around the earth. For centuries, man believed that the earth was flat. Christopher Columbus was criticized for setting sail to the other side of the earth, they expected Columbus to sail off the edge of the earth. Columbus had received his insight that motivated him from the Bible. When people thought it was flat God told us it was round. If they only read the Bible they wouldn't have been afraid to fall off.
The word for circle is about a sphere or with roundness. The Hebrew word is chuwg a primitive root [compare 2287]; to describe a circle: Brown, Drivers, Briggs explains to encircle, to encompass, to describe a circle, to draw round, to make a circle; (Qal) to encircle, to encompass.
... about the creation made of invisible elements. (Hebrews 11:3)
... with the amount of stars. (Jeremiah 33:22,Gen.15:5, Job 22:12; Isaiah 55:9; 1 Corinthians 15:41 and 2 Peter 3:10)
Gen. 15:5 “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” Now we know there are at least 1 hundred million, billion, billion. This would be like your counting 10 numbers per second. It would then take you a thousand, million, billion years. God's point is that we can’t count with the naked eye that high.
... with each star being different. (1 Corinthians 15:41)
... that light moves. (Job 38:19,20)
... that Air has weight (Job 28:25)
... Winds blow in cyclones also describes the Jet Stream. (Ecclesiastes 1:6)
In recent history science taught that most clouds are formed by evaporation of water from the ocean, but the Bible recorded this centuries ago. Solomon wrote in Ecclesiastes 1:6-7, “The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again. Here King Solomon, writing 3,000 years ago explains how the oceans are the origin of rain. tells us the wind has currents. This was unknown to man, today science has documented the direction of wind currents and wind paths. Meteorology or the circulation of winds move by fixed laws, speaks of global wind currents and the earth's water cycle. “The phrase, 'the wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course' is an accurate and astonishing description of the circular flow of air around the earth, called the 'jet stream,' well known to anyone who watches the evening news weather reports”( also in Isaiah 40:12.) This is only a recent understanding of scientists. Is Scripture human supposition or divine revelation?
... Blood is the source of life and health (Leviticus 17:11)
... Ocean floor contains deep valleys and mountains (2 Samuel 22:16; Jonah 2:6)
... Ocean contains springs (Job 38:16).
Today Science tells us the speed of light is decaying, the magnetic field is collapsing, the earth is slowly beginning to wobble on its axis, the protective ozone layer is thinning. In Psalm 102:25-26 -- God predicted the earth would wear out. These were unknown until the last century.
Job 36:27-28; Ecclesiastes 1:6-7; Isaiah 40:12 and 55:10 explains the hydrological cycle. The condensation and hydrology maintain life, provide evaporation, transportation, precipitation and run-off . This describe the repeated cycle of precipitation, its evaporation, and condensation in the clouds.
Job 38:12,17 and Luke 17 show the earth rotates. Ancient science taught a geocentric view of the universe. The change of night and day were thought to be caused by the sun revolving around the earth. We know today that it is the earth's rotation on its axis that gives us the affect of the sun's rising and setting. Job about 4,000 years ago, wrote Job 38:12: “Have you commanded the morning since your days began, and caused the dawn to know its place,
v.14 “ It takes on form like clay under a seal.” Job paints the picture here is of clay being turned or rotated on the potter's wheel.
Job 38:31 explains the solar system. The Hebrew speaks of a pivot or hinge. In the South-Southwest is the Pleiades, 7 stars making up the center of the solar system. Amos 5:8 states the Pleiades consists of 7 stars but it was only discovered in this last century because with the naked eye one can see only 6
Psalm 139:13-16 poetically describes the value of the DNA molecule in the formation of the unborn child. Today, scientist call DNA, "The Book of Life"
Here is some for you.
Ya ... I've only been saying that here for over 10½ years.But the so-called scientific claims of the Bible are not science.
Yes, His stories (history).Warden_of_the_Storm said:They are just stories.
Ya ... I've only been saying that here for over 10½ years.
No, not God's stories. Man's stories.Yes, His stories (history).
No, your claim is wrong. Science does not assert that the universe came into existence without a cause. It is merely ignorant of what that cause might be.
Literal inerrancy, perspicuity, self-interpretability and plenary verbal inspiration.
There are something like two billion Christians in the world, of which only about 5% share your views about the Bible. Are you saying that all the rest of us are atheists?
You're confused. Believing in the existence of God is not the same thing as believing that your argument for the existence of God is cogent.
You are not doing Christianity any good pursuing a lame argument for the existence of God--with attitude. All the atheists here are laughing at you.
So you responded, good. And yet so many of them are not science.
The Bible never claims to be a text book on science but when it does speak on nature or physics it is absolutely accurate
Yes I did.You did read the first sentence right?
Okay, how are they not science?
You can look it up for yourself on line or in any almanac. There are approximately two billion Christians in the world. Bibliolators like yourself amount to at most 40% of US Christians and are not found in any significant numbers elsewhere. Do the math.Please show this stat.
OK, that's fine with me, now that I know what your beliefs are. If you thought I was a Christian I would begin to worry whether I was right with the Lord.And yes, if you deny God, you are an atheist.
Yes I did.
Let's start with the first example: Leviticus 15:13. Maybe you should have quoted the verses PRECEDING verse 13:
15 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When any man hath a running issue out of his flesh, because of his issue he is unclean.
3 And this shall be his uncleanness in his issue: whether his flesh run with his issue, or his flesh be stopped from his issue, it is his uncleanness.
4 Every bed, whereon he lieth that hath the issue, is unclean: and every thing, whereon he sitteth, shall be unclean.
5 And whosoever toucheth his bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.
6 And he that sitteth on any thing whereon he sat that hath the issue shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.
7 And he that toucheth the flesh of him that hath the issue shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.
8 And if he that hath the issue spit upon him that is clean; then he shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.
9 And what saddle soever he rideth upon that hath the issue shall be unclean.
10 And whosoever toucheth any thing that was under him shall be unclean until the even: and he that beareth any of those things shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.
11 And whomsoever he toucheth that hath the issue, and hath not rinsed his hands in water, he shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.
12 And the vessel of earth, that he toucheth which hath the issue, shall be broken: and every vessel of wood shall be rinsed in water.
13 And when he that hath an issue is cleansed of his issue; then he shall number to himself seven days for his cleansing, and wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in running water, and shall be clean.
Do you know what a 'man's issue' is? It's sperm. It's not about disease, it's not about germs. The chapter is about telling men not to touch.
Okay, maybe you should have gone to the beginning of Leviticus 15
The Book of Leviticus
Chapter 15
Chapter Overview:
This chapter contains laws concerning other ceremonial uncleannesses, contracted either by bodily disease, or some natural incidents,
- whether in men, ver. 1 - 18,
- or in women, ver. 19 - 33.
Don't germs, have a lot to do with diseases? Bad germs that is.
Still the bible get's right down to it. If you are unclean, Wash.
You helped the bible to prove itself.
You can look it up for yourself on line or in any almanac. There are approximately two billion Christians in the world. Bibliolators like yourself amount to at most 40% of US Christians and are not found in any significant numbers elsewhere. Do the math.
OK, that's fine with me, now that I know what your beliefs are. If you thought I was a Christian I would begin to worry whether I was right with the Lord.
Don't need to.
Then 60% claim to be Christian, aren't.
It's quite simple really. How can people claim Christianity, and not believe in God's Word?
That's like people say they are law abiding citizen, but you never obey the written law.
I DID go to the start of Leviticus 15, and Leviticus 15 IS NOT TALKING ABOUT GERMS. Verse 1 to 18, including verse 15 which you posted, are talking about masturbation in men. No-one knew about germs in the times of the Bible, so how could they write about people having to wash to stop germs? TOP HINT: THEY DIDN'T.
Your right, they didn't. God did.
Who do you think is telling the Israelites to do the cleansing?