What All is Worship

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The Church must look to the Epistles to see how to comport self before God in church assembly,
I do not limit it to just one portion of scripture. It must be taken as a whole. Paul wrote this:

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

And exactly WHAT documents existed and were called "scripture" when Paul wrote that? The Hebrew bible - what we call the Old Testament. No New Testament documents were recognized as such at that time.
 
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I do not limit it to just one portion of scripture. It must be taken as a whole. Paul wrote this:

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

And exactly WHAT documents existed and were called "scripture" when Paul wrote that? The Hebrew bible - what we call the Old Testament. No New Testament documents were recognized as such at that time.

Yes, all Scripture is of God, but one needs to be "rightly dividing the Word of Truth" as God says. The apostolic teachers set forth the truth for us today, but they were doing that which God gave them to minister for all saints (faithful ones).

The OT religion was finished at the cross, and God fulfilled His promises of hope for Israel when He sent their Messiah. The Lord Jesus taught and ordained His Apostles to establish His Church (the "bride" of Christ), which opens hope for Gentiles too; and we need to bow to His Word. You need to keep Scripture in the context, and not be trying to get around the counsel of God by taking a verse to try and disprove all else. The book of 2 Timothy says "all Scripture" --meaning also "rightly dividing" it in God's full Word. There are no contradictions in the Bible. My original post is very true to holy Scripture.
 
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Agree that everything we do is to be done as unto The Lord.

When we're not on this earth anymore, the sounds of heaven includes "...the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:" (Rev 14:2); trumpets (Rev 8:6), noise of wings (Eze 1:24) ten thousands times ten thousands saying "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing." "Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever" (Rev 5:12-13).

There probably won't be things for us to do (not in the traditional sense) nor our music. There won't be anything between us. We'll be face to face with Him. So seems it would be a good idea to learn to worship Yahweh in this way now.
 
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The music performers who seem to heavily post this site, might note there is a site on CF titled: PRAISE & WORSHIP MUSIC; then this site can be reserved for ministry about Worship as intended, and shown in Scripture for devotion to God by the collective Church, which addresses the Lord's Table and the Supper, and collective songs of praise and related readings and prayers by faithful saints. Just a thought to accommodate all!
 
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The music performers who seem to heavily post this site, might note there is a site on CF titled: PRAISE & WORSHIP MUSIC; then this site can be reserved for ministry about Worship as intended, and shown in Scripture for devotion to God by the collective Church, which addresses the Lord's Table and the Supper, and collective songs of praise and related readings and prayers by faithful saints. Just a thought to accommodate all!

Hear what you're saying, but the purpose of that forum is to post videos of songs, not really to discuss serving in worship ministries that would include collective songs of praise as you stated. It is aimed at people who like P&W music and not those who have questions about leading or applicability of certain things or ministering in that area.
 
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Well, I did not see a ref. to the Worship site as for music performances only, as you say, but did see the site for Praise and Worship music, which seems the more appropriate. I don't view worship as all about stage performers. So be it ---to each his own!
 
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That probably explains it, Talitha; however, the site was entitled wrongly if that is true. Worship is not about stage shows, so-called "worship leaders", bands and entertainment. One needs to see what God shows about worship (especially the New Testament today). Look up always!
 
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Actually, a study of what the Bible has to say about music and singing shows that these things are incredibly important, valuable, pleasing in the sight of God.

You seem to be missing the point, Talitha. Since you seem to want to pursue this subject about stage shows, I will advise that all NT ref. to singing to the Lord is personal in one's general life like at home, and collective singing to the Lord in congregation, not singing shows (note such as Eph. 5:19; Col. 3:16). I have been trying to share what the Bible gives us in worship, and it is NOT stage shows and entertainment for a gathering of saints. That is not worship according to the Bible. If one wishes to put on a concert some place for entertainment, it should not be set forth as biblical worship ---maybe promote as a singing concert, etc.

My post is to help those who value God's Word and want to keep it in all worship, devotion, obedience, and honor. Look up always, friend!
 
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I have never sung in a church in all my life, even when I attended church regularly in childhood. I am painfully shy, social anxiety thing, and cannot raise my voice at all in front of others. All the songs in church that I have ever heard were such loud, powerful (vocal cords -wise) songs. I enjoyed listening but never sang along. Once I can find a church to join, I look forward to listening again. I appreciate being able to hear those who can sing. I think my personal preference is just acts of kindness, and then going forward I can muster up the courage to verbally give credit to Jesus when speaking with the person(s) in the situation, somehow.
 
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Is worship just about music? Or is there something more outside of music that we can call "worship"?
The Lord Jesus in John's Gospel spoke of worship as being 'in spirit and in truth'. It's possible for the words to come out, without it being in the heart.
 
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I have never sung in a church in all my life, even when I attended church regularly in childhood. I am painfully shy, social anxiety thing, and cannot raise my voice at all in front of others. All the songs in church that I have ever heard were such loud, powerful (vocal cords -wise) songs. I enjoyed listening but never sang along. Once I can find a church to join, I look forward to listening again. I appreciate being able to hear those who can sing. I think my personal preference is just acts of kindness, and then going forward I can muster up the courage to verbally give credit to Jesus when speaking with the person(s) in the situation, somehow.
I would not have known that you regard yourself as a shy person; many of your comments seem well thought out and confident. Sung worship does indeed make for a bond among Christians; Psalm 98.4 speaks of 'mak(ing) a joyful noise unto the LORD'.
 
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I would not have known that you regard yourself as a shy person; many of your comments seem well thought out and confident. Sung worship does indeed make for a bond among Christians; Psalm 98.4 speaks of 'mak(ing) a joyful noise unto the LORD'.

It is much different for me online. There is no sensory stimuli, so I guess that makes the difference, I don't hear anyone's voice, I don't see anyone looking at me, and I can sit quietly for a while after reading, and try to gather up how I really feel about something or if I feel anything that moves me to say something in particular, before I respond.

But it is also a matter of pride, the hidden narcissism sort of thing. I am so easily embarrassed, because I am so proud. I don't feel proud, but when I analyze it honestly, there is an intense fear of being judged, which produces the anxiety or tightens up my throat so much that I cannot sing, and so at its core, it is like a hidden wounded pride from my childhood.

Perhaps it will heal in a healthy way someday. Or perhaps God will guide to me worship in other ways. I will leave it up to Him.
 
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It is much different for me online. There is no sensory stimuli, so I guess that makes the difference, I don't hear anyone's voice, I don't see anyone looking at me, and I can sit quietly for a while after reading, and try to gather up how I really feel about something or if I feel anything that moves me to say something in particular, before I respond.

But it is also a matter of pride, the hidden narcissism sort of thing. I am so easily embarrassed, because I am so proud. I don't feel proud, but when I analyze it honestly, there is an intense fear of being judged, which produces the anxiety or tightens up my throat so much that I cannot sing, and so at its core, it is like a hidden wounded pride from my childhood.

Perhaps it will heal in a healthy way someday. Or perhaps God will guide to me worship in other ways. I will leave it up to Him.
TurtleAnne:

Well, I think as a collective description of activities with other Christians - after they were baptised to show they had 'gladly received' the preaching of the Gospel in Acts 2.41 - there is a very good list of the four basic activities with other Christians in Acts 2.42: 'And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine, and in fellowship, and in breaking of bread and in prayers.' I think that, however diffident the person perceived him- or herself to be, the Lord does give strength to identify with other Christians in their testimony activities.

In fact, although you mention about the internet being a sphere of activity where you feel more confident, I had gotten the impression that you were a fairly mature adult with well developed opinions that you have not been afraid to formulate and express; and as far as interacting with others has been concerned you've even mentioned on another thread about having gone for ink - which certainly presupposes some interpersonal confidence and interaction. (Maybe it was in a sense some kind of therapy for you? even though you're planning changes.)

As far as singing is concerned, unless the person is singing a solo, then the full attention of the audience is never solely on one person, anyway.

Best of all, it's to the Lord that the joyful noise should be directed! :)
 
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I have never sung in a church in all my life, even when I attended church regularly in childhood. I am painfully shy, social anxiety thing, and cannot raise my voice at all in front of others. All the songs in church that I have ever heard were such loud, powerful (vocal cords -wise) songs. I enjoyed listening but never sang along. Once I can find a church to join, I look forward to listening again. I appreciate being able to hear those who can sing. I think my personal preference is just acts of kindness, and then going forward I can muster up the courage to verbally give credit to Jesus when speaking with the person(s) in the situation, somehow.
PS: Well, maybe now soon you'll have the opportunity.
 
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Yes, the congregation can all sing or not as they feel led, and praise the Lord in their heart and give thanks to Him ---in the gathering or at home. We who are "born again" are a "holy" and "royal priesthood" (1 Pet. 2). We do not need stage shows to entertain or even inspire us, for our love for the Lord and communion with Him in our heart will greatly move us to praise, sing, and pray among the saints in fellowship or in our daily work and walk. Look up always in personal communion!
 
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