The beast, His mark, and the Antichrist

Basil Isaacks · Nov 19, 2016

LostMarbels said:
As stated in the op: Every official title of the pope = 666.

LVDOVICVS ... translated means Vicar of the Court
50+5+500+0+5+1+100+5+0=666
DVX CLERI ... translated means Captain of the Clergy
500+5+10+100+50+0+0+1=666
REX LATINVS SACERDO... King of the roman/latin priests
0+0+10+50+0+0+1+0+5+0+0+0+100+0+0+500+0+0=666
SANCTA LVX DEI... Holy light of God
0+0+0+100+0+0+50+5+10+500+0+1=666

Basil Isaacks · Nov 19, 2016

"Vicarius Filii Dei" has never been an official title of the Roman Pontiff.

Nor are any of the other titles YOU mentioned, LostMarbels.

The commandment against bearing false witness does NOT go on to say, "Unless thy neighbor is Catholic, then thou mayest slander him unto the satiation of thy soul."

There is only ONE nation in the Bible personified as a harlot. Jerusalem sits on seven hills; Rome actually sits on 9 or 10. Connect the dots.

Douggg · Nov 19, 2016

Celestial Warrior said:
THEREFORE THE WHOLE LEGAL SYSTEMS OF THE EARTH ARE THE BEAST AND THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS THE LAW OF THE LAND OF EVERY NATION, EVEN CHRISTIAN NATIONS. THE EARTH FOLLOWS THE BEAST SYSTEM AND THE MARK ALREADY AND THEREFORE ARE FOLLOWING THE ANTICHRIST WITHOUT REALIZING THEY ARE.`

The beast and the false prophet are two persons, not systems, who will be cast alive into the lake of fire.

Douggg · Nov 19, 2016

Basil Isaacks said:
There is only ONE nation in the Bible personified as a harlot. Jerusalem sits on seven hills; Rome actually sits on 9 or 10. Connect the dots.

Can't be Jerusalem.

Zechariah 14:
1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Monk Brendan · Nov 19, 2016

Douggg said:
Can't be Jerusalem.

Jeremiah 2:19-20
Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the LORD thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord GOD of hosts.

For of old time I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands; and thou saidst, I will not transgress; when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, playing the harlot.

That is Israel and Judah Jeremiah is talking about. So it MUST be Jerusalem.

Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Douggg · Nov 19, 2016

Monk Brendan said:
Jeremiah 2:19-20
Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the LORD thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord GOD of hosts.

For of old time I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands; and thou saidst, I will not transgress; when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, playing the harlot.

That is Israel and Judah Jeremiah is talking about. So it MUST be Jerusalem.

Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Jeremiah 3:8 - Israel in that verse is the northern ten tribes (which are called Israel, albeit it was only the northern kingdom after the split up of the nation) which got heavily into worshipping false gods - i.e. committed adultery metaphorically because they were supposed to worship only the One True God. They went into Assyrian captivity.

Judah, called her sister, were the southern two tribes (the southern kingdom after the split), who paid no attention to what happen to the northern ten tribes, and went down the same path, and a couple of hundred years later also went into captivity, the Babylonian Captivity.

Nothing to do with the end times.

separate issue - Melkite Catholic - not familiar with. A few words to educate, maybe?

keras · Nov 19, 2016

Douggg said:
Jeremiah 3:8 - Israel in that verse is the northern ten tribes (which are called Israel, albeit it was only the northern kingdom after the split up of the nation) which got heavily into worshipping false gods - i.e. committed adultery metaphorically because they were supposed to worship only the One True God. They went into Assyrian captivity.

Judah, called her sister, were the southern two tribes (the southern kingdom after the split), who paid no attention to what happen to the northern ten tribes, and went down the same path, and a couple of hundred years later also went into captivity, the Babylonian Captivity.
Nothing to do with the end times.

I disagree.
Ezekiel 4:4-6 gives the decreed years they were to spend in exile. 390 for Israel; the ten northern tribes and 40 for Judah, the Jews.
But we see in Leviticus 26:14-18 God says if they continue in their sins, He will punish Israel X 7 and Judah by 7 X 7.
This comes to 2730 for Israel and 1960 for Judah.
The Assyrians under Sargon 2, finally exiled the last of Israel in 718/717 BC. 717 + 2016 - 2 = 2731 [minus 2 because the years are counted at their commencement]
So we are actually on or over the time set by God for the return to the holy Land of the ten Northern tribes of the House of Israel.
This is one reason to think things may happen very soon!

Douggg · Nov 20, 2016

keras said:
I disagree.
Ezekiel 4:4-6 gives the decreed years they were to spend in exile. 390 for Israel; the ten northern tribes and 40 for Judah, the Jews.
But we see in Leviticus 26:14-18 God says if they continue in their sins, He will punish Israel X 7 and Judah by 7 X 7.
This comes to 2730 for Israel and 1960 for Judah.
The Assyrians under Sargon 2, finally exiled the last of Israel in 718/717 BC. 717 + 2016 - 2 = 2731 [minus 2 because the years are counted at their commencement]
So we are actually on or over the time set by God for the return to the holy Land of the ten Northern tribes of the House of Israel.
This is one reason to think things may happen very soon!

2730 years (?) for Israel ? :doh:

Where does that brings us on today's calendar?

uh... you live in New Zealand, and I live in the U.S. So naturally being in the opposite hemisphere you, are going to interpret the bible opposite than me. That pretty much explains - everything.

keras · Nov 20, 2016

Douggg said:
Where does that brings us on today's calendar?

This year, Dougg. Why don't you read other peoples posts more carefully? And I live in New Zealand!
Re your eschatology objective byline: keep trying; you haven't achieved it yet.

Douggg · Nov 20, 2016

keras said:
This year, Dougg. Why don't you read other peoples posts more carefully? And I live in New Zealand!
Re your eschatology objective byline: keep trying; you haven't achieved it yet.

My mistake. I went back and corrected my post. And do you know what I really like about New Zealand? It has some of the most beautiful trout fishing waters.

This year! 2016 or 2017? What I want to know is - from your standpoint, what happens regarding Israel, this year?

Revealing Times · Nov 20, 2016

LostMarbels said:
I decide to make this it's own post since I have seen so many questions about this and didn't want to be bouncing everywhere to try and answer them. This is a conversation that requires vigilance, and study. My post is not a quick read through, more like a bible study. Even tho I will do my best to outline my stance, however, independent study will be required. First I would like to build the premises, and an understanding of what I believe to be biblical truth. There is FAR too much to put into a post that I can hope will actually get read; so I will try to be concise as possible. But I fear a lot will just scroll through or just ignore this.

The 10 toes found in Daniel 2:31-45

The Saxons (English).

The Franks (French)

The Alamanni (Germanic)

The Visigoths (Spain)

The Suevi (Portuguese)

The Lombards (Italian)

The Burgundians (Swiss)

The Heruli (Extinct: 439 AD)

The Vandals (Extinct: 534 AD)

The Ostrogoths (Extinct: 538 AD)

The Heruli, the Vandals, And the Ostrogoths were successfully subdued by the Papacy, fulfilling the prophecy of Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

In Daniel chapter 7, even more detail is given about these beasts. The highlight are what are going to be focused on. The first was like a lion. The second like a bear, and the third like a leopard. And a fourth beast the had great iron teeth. These also represent the kingdoms, or nations of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. Keep in mind in the time that Revelations was written Rome was ruling.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Interesting.... The beast in Revelation is made up form parts of the beasts in Daniel. This meant, the described beast, would have the most vile characteristics of the 3 beasts before it.

The leopard. Greece.

The bear. Medo-Persia.

The lion. Babylon. It is interesting to note that this beast has the mouth of a lion since King Nebuchadnezzar was the first to force the speech of blasphemy, and the worship of a false idol.

Now let's look at Rev 17:3: So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

So if you scroll up and re-read Rev 31:1 again, you will see that this is the same beast having 7 heads, and 10 horns, and Daniel 7 still applies. You will also notice in Rev 17: that a woman sits upon a beast. So in biblical prophecy what is a woman? What is a beast?

Let's take a look....

OK, well let's go back to Daniel 7.

Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

So this establishes that a beast is a kingdom, or nation. This is stating that a woman is going to be part of, or joining a nation. Also we need to understand that this nation will be diverse, or completely different from any other nation in the world. So now what is a woman in prophecy?

Jer 6:2 I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman.

2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

So the church of Christ is presented as Christ's bride. (woman) This is how we come to the knowledge that a woman in prophecy is a church.

So what we are looking for is a church that becomes/joins a sovereign nation. The Vatican city is the only church in the world that is a sovereign nation. (diverse) Not just a religion, it is a recognized nation, and the Pope is it's geopolitical leader, not unlike any other President, ruler, or Prime minister. This is the only church ever that has become a nation, and is not a nation, that just has a church. The religion itself is the authority.

Lets rehash Dan 7:23 posted above. Also as written above this fourth King has to have subdued 3 kings. As established, The Heruli, The Vandals, and The Ostrogoths were subdued by the papacy. (This is one of those times some independent research is required if you doubt the validity to the papacy's involvement to the fulfillment of this prophecy)

Now let's look at Rev 13:1 and we will see this beast has 7 heads... well what does that mean? We find that in:

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. So we have 7 mountains, or hills the church nation sits upon.

The ancient city of Rome was originally built on the topographical layout of seven separate hills. These seven hills were joined together by the ancient walls of Rome- the Servian walls. The Seven Hills of Rome lie in the east to the Tiber River. Later many more areas were annexed to the city. The city walls were extended to include them also and the city is now much bigger than its original territory. The Vatican and Vatican hill are included in the Areas that were added to the city much later in history.

The seven hills are, namely:

The Quirinal Hill
The Aventine Hill
The Caelian Hill
The Viminal Hill
The Capitoline Hill
The Esquiline Hill
The Palatine Hill

http://www.vatican.com/articles/rome/the_seven_hills_of_rome-a4131

Now in Rev 13 we have even greater detail that proves yet again the beast is the Vatican.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

This points to the downfall of the papacy in 1798 when Napoleon marched in under the command of General Berthier, and captured the Pope bringing him to France. This completely brought to an end a sovereign church nation, when a secular government was established. A mortal wound to the Vatican.

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Was: this beast will have been in power at one time.

The Vatican became a church nation, when Vigilus ascended the Papal chair in 538 AD under the military protection of Belisarius. -History of the Christian Church,vol 3, pg 327.

Is not: this beast will lose it's power. The wounded head 1798.

Yet is: This beast regains its power. July 7, 1929 the Pope regains authority from Italy. Lateran Concordat of 1929 - Papal Wound Healed! ROME, Feb. 11.--The Pope is again an independent sovereign ruler, as he was throughout the Middle Ages, though his temporal realm, established today, is the most microscopic independent State in the world, and probably the smallest in all history. — THE NEW YORK TIMES, Tuesday, February 12, 1929. It is amazing to read how excited the world was that the Papacy's wound was healed. They were amazed, and so happy to see it "restored to health" just like Rev 13:3.

So in summation, the vatican:

Was a church nation 538-1798

Is not a church nation 1798-1929

Yet is a church nation 1929-current day

This fulfills the prophecy of Rev 17:8.

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

In prophecy a day= a year. Numbers 14:34, Ezekiel 4:6.

A biblical month =30 days, so the prophetic equation is 42 X 30 = 1260 years. (also see Dan 7:25, and Rev 12:6 to confirm the 1260 years)

Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

1798 AD – 538 AD = 1260 years fulfilling Rev 13:7 by the timeline presented in Rev 13:5. And again, the Vatican fits the criteria to fulfill this prophecy.

So here we have the beast: The Vatican.

I believe a pope will be antichrist.

I can get into further detail later but consider this. Every single official name of the Popes office equals 666. Sit down with Roman numerals and count it up yourselves by using the Latin terms.

VICARIVS FILII DEI: VICAR OF THE SON OF GOD.

V I C A R I V S

5+ 1 +100 +0 +0 +1 +5 +0= 112

F I L I I

0 +1 +50 +1 +1= 53

D E I

500 +0 +1= 501

112+53+501=666

The Beast is not the Pope, or the RCC. It is a Man who is born in Greece and comes to power in the European Union.

keras · Nov 20, 2016

Douggg said:
This year! 2016 or 2017? What I want to know is - from your standpoint, what happens regarding Israel, this year?

All I am pointing out, is the decreed exile of the Northern ten tribes is, or is very nearly completed. God knows who they all are, Amos 9:9, still scattered among the nations, Ezekiel 34:5-6, to be gathered soon after the Lord's Day of wrath, a Day of cloud and darkness; Ezekiel 34:11-16
Only true righteous Christians will enter the holy Land, Ezekiel 20:34-38, Isaiah 35:1-10, every person, be they Israelites or gentiles, who have kept their faith in God, Romans 9:16-17, Isaiah 56:1-8
What happens to the State of Israel? Amos 2:4-5, Ezekiel 21:2-7, Jeremiah 9:11-14, Zechariah 13:8-9, Isaiah 4:3-4

Douggg · Nov 20, 2016

keras said:
All I am pointing out, is the decreed exile of the Northern ten tribes is, or is very nearly completed. God knows who they all are, Amos 9:9, still scattered among the nations, Ezekiel 34:5-6, to be gathered soon after the Lord's Day of wrath, a Day of cloud and darkness; Ezekiel 34:11-16
Only true righteous Christians will enter the holy Land, Ezekiel 20:34-38, Isaiah 35:1-10, every person, be they Israelites or gentiles, who have kept their faith in God, Romans 9:16-17, Isaiah 56:1-8
What happens to the State of Israel? Amos 2:4-5, Ezekiel 21:2-7, Jeremiah 9:11-14, Zechariah 13:8-9, Isaiah 4:3-4

The concept that Christians are the house of Israel conflicts with what it says in Ezekiel 39:25-29. Christian are a non-fit. Because God has not scattered Christians to the nations. And God has not hide his face from Christians.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Douggg · Nov 20, 2016

Revealing Times said:
The Beast is not the Pope, or the RCC. It is a Man who is born in Greece and comes to power in the European Union.

It shouldn't be long. Sometime before the end of 2030. We will know who that person is. Assuming it is the Lord's will that we are still here, of course.

keras · Nov 20, 2016

Douggg said:
The concept that Christians are the house of Israel conflicts with what it says in Ezekiel 39:25-29. Christian are a non-fit. Because God has not scattered Christians to the nations. And God has not hide his face from Christians.

The truth that Christians are deemed to be Israelites seems to escape you.
Christians ARE scattered among the nations, every tribe, race, nation and language.
You are a Christian; do you see God now?
Everything you have said above is wrong, why? Is it your belief in a rapture to heaven, that demands a separate Church and Israel? If so, prove that idea.

Douggg · Nov 20, 2016

keras said:
The truth that Christians are deemed to be Israelites seems to escape you.
Christians ARE scattered among the nations, every tribe, race, nation and language.
You are a Christian; do you see God now?
Everything you have said above is wrong, why? Is it your belief in a rapture to heaven, that demands a separate Church and Israel? If so, prove that idea.

really, Keras, really? In spite of what it says in Ezekiel 39?

I have the Holy Spirit in my soul. So no, God has not hid His face from me. Your persistence that Christians are the house of Israel who God has hid His face from - Christians? ......is really bizarre.

John 14:
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 20, 2016

Douggg said:
It shouldn't be long. Sometime before the end of 2030. We will know who that person is. Assuming it is the Lord's will that we are still here, of course.

...... this was , you realize, disclosed long ago.... (censored most places, including here)..... Not like it's a secret any more.... though only the remnant are warned......

Douggg · Nov 20, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
...... this was , you realize, disclosed long ago.... (censored most places, including here)..... Not like it's a secret any more.... though only the remnant are warned......

Are you talking about Alexis Tsipras being the person of interest?

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 20, 2016

Douggg said:
Are you talking about Alexis Tsipras being the person of interest?

no, not at all.
the one(s) revealed
are of no interest. (yet they are some of the most evil ever on earth)

Douggg · Nov 20, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
no, not at all.
the one(s) revealed
are of no interest. (yet they are some of the most evil ever on earth)

send me a private message - if you are worried about rule violations.

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