RE. Was the Star of Bethlehem of Satan?

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Concerning magi, the wise men, I believe they have been prophets of GOD. The word magi not necessary mean some kind of magician or forbidden by GOD caller of the dead. Above all, they brought gifts to new born Christ with full king’s honor and respect, and obeyed the Lord’s command and left the place without notifying the Herod.

One of Jehovah witnesses told me that three wise men have been sent by Satan in order to find out there the Christ is so He will be killed by the Herod. I found such suggestion completely wrong and not according to the Biblical story.

About stars, Bible mentioned number of different starts.

Numbers 24.17

17.I see him, but not now, I behold him, but not near. A Star (Numbers 24.17) (Matthew 2.2.7) (Revelation 22.16) shall come forth from Jacob and Scepter shall rise from Israel (Genesis 49.10) (Micah 5.2), and shall crush through the forehead of Moab, and tear down all the sons of Sheth (Isaiah 15, 16, 25.10-12).



Daniel 8.10

10.And it (Antichrist) grew up to the host of Heaven and caused some of the host and some of the stars to fall to the Earth, and it trampled them down.



Daniel 12.3

3."And those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness like the stars, forever and ever."



Matthew 2.1-2.7

1.Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem saying,

2."Where is He Who has been born, King of Jews? We saw His Star (Numbers 24.17) (Matthew 2.2.7) (Revelation 22.16) in the east and have come to worship Him."

7.Then Herod secretly called the magi, and ascertained from them the time the Star appeared (Numbers 24.17) (Matthew 2.2.7) (Revelation 22.16).



2Peter 1.19

19.And so, we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention, as to a Lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the Morning Star arises in your hearts.



Revelation 2.26-28

26."And he who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations,

27.and he shall rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of the potter are broken to pieces, as I also have received authority from My Father,

28.and I will give him the Morning Star."



Revelation 22.16

16."I Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star."




SATAN - DEVIL - LUCIFER



Isaiah 14.12


Gideons and KJV: "O Lucifer, son the the morning."


NRSV: "O day star, son of dawn."


KSB and Russian: "O star of the morning, son of the dawn!" (Hebrew "Helel" means "shining one")


GNB: "King of Babylon, bright morning star."
 

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I don't know where the person(s) who told you that are coming from.

Yes, Herod intended to kill the Christ child, and told the magi to come tell him where the infant was so he could supposedly worship, but he intended to kill.

But the magi were warned in a dream, so went back another way to avoid Herod.

I think they are trying to read something in that isn't there.
 
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The JW position theologically is a form of Arianism. That is non-trinitarian asserting that Jesus was Son of God rather than the second person of the Trinity. This means the traditional understanding of the Incarnation (God became Flesh) is not accepted by them.

I really believe that we all need to understand John 1:1-18 better and better. The pre-existent logos who was with God and who was God, became flesh and pitched his tent in the midst of us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son of the Father.

The magi are understood in the gifts they bring:
  • Gold - the gift for a member of the Royal House
  • Frankincense - which burns to declare the presence of God
  • Myrrh - the burial spice of ancient time
That they were gentiles is significant as Jesus is saviour, not simply of the Jews, but of all.
 
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Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. (Matthew 12:25, 1984 NIV)

Satan's would never lead anyone to Jesus so they could honor him. Without evidence of the star deceiving the magi in some way, there would be no reason to associate that star with any star in Scripture with a negative connotation.

Scripture gives the name Morning Star to both Satan (before he fell) and Jesus, but that fact doesn't connect the two of them. Each use must be examined to see what it means.
 
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Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. (Matthew 12:25, 1984 NIV)

Satan's would never lead anyone to Jesus so they could honor him. Without evidence of the star deceiving the magi in some way, there would be no reason to associate that star with any star in Scripture with a negative connotation.

Scripture gives the name Morning Star to both Satan (before he fell) and Jesus, but that fact doesn't connect the two of them. Each use must be examined to see what it means.
How did the magi know where Jesus was? They said they followed the star, so it must have been a physical thing.
 
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Concerning magi, the wise men, I believe they have been prophets of GOD. The word magi not necessary mean some kind of magician or forbidden by GOD caller of the dead. Above all, they brought gifts to new born Christ with full king’s honor and respect, and obeyed the Lord’s command and left the place without notifying the Herod.

One of Jehovah witnesses told me that three wise men have been sent by Satan in order to find out there the Christ is so He will be killed by the Herod. I found such suggestion completely wrong and not according to the Biblical story.

About stars, Bible mentioned number of different starts.

Numbers 24.17

17.I see him, but not now, I behold him, but not near. A Star (Numbers 24.17) (Matthew 2.2.7) (Revelation 22.16) shall come forth from Jacob and Scepter shall rise from Israel (Genesis 49.10) (Micah 5.2), and shall crush through the forehead of Moab, and tear down all the sons of Sheth (Isaiah 15, 16, 25.10-12).



Daniel 8.10

10.And it (Antichrist) grew up to the host of Heaven and caused some of the host and some of the stars to fall to the Earth, and it trampled them down.



Daniel 12.3

3."And those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness like the stars, forever and ever."



Matthew 2.1-2.7

1.Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem saying,

2."Where is He Who has been born, King of Jews? We saw His Star (Numbers 24.17) (Matthew 2.2.7) (Revelation 22.16) in the east and have come to worship Him."

7.Then Herod secretly called the magi, and ascertained from them the time the Star appeared (Numbers 24.17) (Matthew 2.2.7) (Revelation 22.16).



2Peter 1.19

19.And so, we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention, as to a Lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the Morning Star arises in your hearts.



Revelation 2.26-28

26."And he who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations,

27.and he shall rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of the potter are broken to pieces, as I also have received authority from My Father,

28.and I will give him the Morning Star."



Revelation 22.16

16."I Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star."




SATAN - DEVIL - LUCIFER



Isaiah 14.12


Gideons and KJV: "O Lucifer, son the the morning."


NRSV: "O day star, son of dawn."


KSB and Russian: "O star of the morning, son of the dawn!" (Hebrew "Helel" means "shining one")


GNB: "King of Babylon, bright morning star."
Notice that when the Bible talks about Christ it is in uppercase (ie.. Revelation 2.26-28 & Revelation 22.16) whereas when they talk about Lucifer it is lowercase (ie. Isaiah 14.12).

The Daniel verses are not talking about either, but physical stars in the sky.
 
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Notice that when the Bible talks about Christ it is in uppercase (ie.. Revelation 2.26-28 & Revelation 22.16) whereas when they talk about Lucifer it is lowercase (ie. Isaiah 14.12).

The Daniel verses are not talking about either, but physical stars in the sky.
Capitalization in may cases is left to the discretion of the translators. In short, although it might no appear in the manuscript it might appear in a given translation based on the theological predispositions and assumptions of those doing the translating. For example, the phrase holy spirit has no capitalization in the NWT because the original manuscripts don't use it. In contrast most other translations ignore that fact and add capitalization.
 
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In contrast most other translations ignore that fact and add capitalization.
The refinement of text that we know with good spelling, grammar, and nice things like capitalisation were basically unknown in ancient times, and the use, or lack of use, of it was not a way of conveying meaning. Translators of the texts use capitalisation in order to enable us to read the text in a meaningful way. No-one is ignoring anything, nor seeking to provide meaning that was not present in the text. Most translations will have a preface, or end note about how they have handled various things.
 
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Capitalization in may cases is left to the discretion of the translators. In short, although it might no appear in the manuscript it might appear in a given translation based on the theological predispositions and assumptions of those doing the translating. For example, the phrase holy spirit has no capitalization in the NWT because the original manuscripts don't use it. In contrast most other translations ignore that fact and add capitalization.
I think the Capitalization is right on in the more common translations. I don't know much about Greek or Hebrew myself so I cannot comment on that.

I do think people need to be careful which versions they use.
 
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Was the Star of Bethlehem of Satan?

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