The meanest thing Jesus ever said

forgive me sister.....

i'm just thinkin' out loud here:

Being "mean" is a sin. It indicates an evil heart that seeks to do harm and to destroy heart, mind, or soul, or body. It's an "attack" and it's a relishing in the "hurt" that the attack causes.

Did Jesus ever sin?

Peace.

Michie said:

Weird that I run across this today after starting a thread yesterday about some of the things Jesus said that could be considered divisive.

The Gospel from Wednesday's Mass (Wed. of the 33rd week- Luke 19:11-27) is known as "the parable of the 10 Gold Coins." It has an ending so shocking that, when I read it at Mass some years ago, a young child said audibly to her mother, "Wow! That's mean!"

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http://blog.adw.org/2016/11/meanest-thing-jesus-ever-said/

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Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Luke 12:52For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.

brinny said:

forgive me sister.....

i'm just thinkin' out loud here:

Being "mean" is a sin. It indicates an evil heart that seeks to do harm and to destroy heart, mind, or soul, or body. It's an "attack" and it's a relishing in the "hurt" that the attack causes.

Did Jesus ever sin?

Peace.

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The article argues that Jesus wasn't being mean.

Interesting article. And the author had some great points about the structure of Hebrew. (and that would include the Aramaic our Lord was speaking at the time)

LivingWordUnity said:

The article argues that Jesus wasn't being mean.

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Indeed. I do not think he was in any form. It just sounds that way to our modern western ears.

LivingWordUnity said:

The article argues that Jesus wasn't being mean.

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i'll read it again.

Thanks.

Michie said:

Weird that I run across this today after starting a thread yesterday about some of the things Jesus said that could be considered divisive.

The Gospel from Wednesday's Mass (Wed. of the 33rd week- Luke 19:11-27) is known as "the parable of the 10 Gold Coins." It has an ending so shocking that, when I read it at Mass some years ago, a young child said audibly to her mother, "Wow! That's mean!"

Continued below.
http://blog.adw.org/2016/11/meanest-thing-jesus-ever-said/

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Its quite clear in the story that the citizens who did not want Him to reign over them were killed After He returned and received the Kingdom, which is also when the rewards were handed out to the faithful slaves, so I would say that this story in no wise applies to the events of 70ad, but rather applies to the beginning of the 1000 year reign, and the citizens applies to the Zionist unbelievers that have always existed since the time that the story was told.

i apologize. I didn't read it carefully.

And... The sweetest thing that Jesus said...

The absolutely most "meanest" thing YHWH could ever say HIMSELF,
is
preferred to the buttery platitudes of
people on earth.

YHWH GIVES LIFE (and HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN).

People on earth give DEATH - KILL , STEAL and DESTROY.

No contest.

I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. - Luke 13:27

Those will be mean words too for all who hear them on that last day!

I think someone else pointed out - Y'SHUA and YHWH CANNOT be mean.

When this (Luke 13) is said , it is PERFECT JUSTICE after MERCY AND RIGHTEOUSNESS WAS rejected by the people all their lives,
AFTER they rejected the perfect sacrifice Jesus made giving HIS OWN LIFE to be crucified horribly...
They were given the option, the chance, to have eternal life,
and they willfully and continually refused YHWH'S GRACE !

rockytopva said:

I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. - Luke 13:27

Those will be mean words too for all who hear them on that last day!

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The first time I read the Bible I was like What ? For example King Saul was ordered to kill every thing 1 Samuel 15:3 .. But now I see that God saved the Amalekites in the wilderness where they had attacked a slave minded defenseless Israel .. Sure God could have destroyed them then but he wanted Israel to do it as breaking the slave mentality to become a mighty and feared nation of Israel .. King Saul was destroyed because he didn't kill every thing with breath of the Amalekites camp like he was told .. God is no respecter of persons and looks on the intent of the heart .. God is all that is nice and good but like we tell our children "don't make me come in there , do it now" Psalms 38:1 .. Proverbs 23:12-14
God bless all our Christian children who want to do what's right in this perverse world .. Lord Jesus cover them with your shed blood , strengthen them and make them strong in the face of opposition . Let them receive your supernatural comfort when they are persecuted or shunned for your name sake .. Use them Lord as your ambassadors and let them be seen in the eyes of their peers as friends and admirable .. And let them be a beacon of hope to those less fortunate beaten down from Godless homes and situations .. ..

brinny said:

i apologize. I didn't read it carefully.

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Understandable. I got so far and from what I had read, came to believe it was a Jesus bashing and I stopped reading, evidently before the major points were made.

Not sure what mean things the OP mentioned in the other thread, but "let the dead bury the dead" always seemed to me a bit crude at the very least for Jesus, if not downright heartless.

Kenny'sID said:

Understandable. I got so far and from I had read, came to believe it was a Jesus bashing and I stopped reading, evidently before the major points were made.

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So did i.....

the title kinda' got me thinkin' that...

LOL!

brinny said:

So did i.....

the title kinda' got me thinkin' that...

LOL!

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exactly

yeshuaslavejeff said:

The absolutely most "meanest" thing YHWH could ever say HIMSELF,
is
preferred to the buttery platitudes of
people on earth.

YHWH GIVES LIFE (and HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN).

People on earth give DEATH - KILL , STEAL and DESTROY.

No contest.

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Alrighty then.

As I'm lead to understand, many of the words used such as "wrath" and "judgment" take on a new light in the spiritual understanding. Recall: Isaiah 55:8-9. For instance if we see the word "sorrow" we think of it like men understand the word: but the scripture says: 2 Corinthians 7:10. People tend to understand the words of God through the mind of men, thinking, "Well, God must do things like men do, so 'anger' and 'wrath' must mean, 'hurting people and doing terrible things'" but I believe this is an error of earthy understanding. The 'wrath of God' is more like, a father who says "I'm disappointed in you": it isn't 'mean' it is something that hurts, but its use is intended, not only as truth, but, to be effectual in causing change for the better.

When Jesus says something like "slay them before Me" (remember this is a parable; an allegory) we tend to think of it in a worldly manner, after the understanding of a man; but to be "slain" by God, is much like the crucifixion: it brings out the spiritual man. The Word of God "slays" the "old man" bringing forth the "new man" through teaching the Word.

Consider: Zephaniah 2:12 and Revelation 19:21. Now, we know that the Word of God is the "sword of the spirit": Ephesians 6:17 and that this sword: Hebrews 4:12 and causes transformation from a state of "sinner" into a state of "saint": 2 Corinthians 5:17 so when we see God talking about "slaying them with My sword" He is really spiritually talking about, killing the old man with the gospel, causing the rise of the new man.

So men look for "wrath" as being, sheets of literal fire and all the people screaming and literally in terror; while it really, spiritually means; men being convicted of sin, and repenting, and turning to God; becoming a "new creation": and so when we see "bring my enemies and slay them before Me" it is alluding to: Jeremiah 25:31, which sword is the Word of God, and this "slaying of enemies" is spoken of here: Hebrews 10:13 and fulfilled here: Philippians 2:10-11

So "slay My enemies before Me" is spiritually meaning "teach them without understanding the truth, and cause the old to pass away and to make them become new"

bill5 said:

Alrighty then.

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Like if
someone goes to a doctor who has the best training and half a century of experience on earth ,
and they the patient is told after testing
"you have extensive myopalpable inertstitial inflammation of the physiological glands and you have about 5 months to live if you do nothing".

instead of telling them,
"your vitals are a little off normal, but you're good to go until next year ! "

i.e. hopefully they find / have/ go to a doctor who will tell them the TRUTH,
as RARE as that is TODAY.