Soul: Why do Christians ignore the evidence?

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OK I'll remember that if you remember that Breath that breathes is just as metaphorical as Spirit that blows. But breathing breathe doesn't make much sense IMO. ;)

John 3:8 The pneuma/Breath/Spirit pneo/breathes/blows where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.


4154 pneo {pneh'-o}: root word
(1) to breathe, to blow

I was referring to the word spirit in the definition that you post in your last post.
 
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The word spirit isn't in the Greek text, it's in the English. John said God is pneuma. Pneuma means breath. The word spirit is a metaphorical use of the words, ruach, neshamah, and pneuma. So, yes, God is breath.

Regarding the noun, breath is a noun. Breathe is a verb. Both breath and life are nouns. In Gen 2:7 we find the phrase, 'breath of life'.

The apostle Paul tells us that God gives life to all things, not gave life to all things. He uses a present tense verb. The Greek present tense indicates a continuous action.

13 I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, (1 Tim. 6:13 NKJ)

I used the word continously :) . Yes God gives Life to all things, but it is not continous. If it was continous, then all things would be immortal and all things are not. At least in a physical sense. So Butch5, why do we get old and die if God is breathing life into us? He breathes life into us to start us, but from there everything begins to run down. Sometimes faster and sometimes slower. Butch5, what I find interesting is your concept of God being "breath" and when He moved His Spirit over the deep it was His breath that moved over the deep to create movement in the non movement of the deep. And we are made up of this moving deep, matter and energy (the deep in movement), as is all of the rest of creation.

The concept of Spirit as an energy body doesn't really make sense when it comes to doing what Genesis said God did, but the concept of Breath and Breathe does make sense :) ! At least to me as a person with over sixty years of Christian mystic experience day in and day out. Lord Jesus said the He was in the Father and that the Father was in Him and that He was in us. And when one adds the concept of God being "Breath" it all makes sense. And it also makes sense when Lord Jesus said that He was the Waters of Life and that we can drink from Him. Because, He is the Breath of God. I also have over forty years of studying yogi traditions and the physics of yoga science and what they teach is that you become one with something and you become that something. But that is not what Lord Jesus was teaching :) if one understands that spirit is, at least relative to God, Breath and Breathing. The object is not to become at one with God, the object is to, through Christ Jesus, to be in a state of being where the Breath of God moves/breathes within you.

Once you take the concept of Spirit as an energy body out of the equation and replace it with the concept of God being Breath and To Breathe it all makes sense. The origional cause that created Creation, the Breath of God, is continously at work within you. The movement within the energy matrix that is your physical body and energy body (commonly known a "spirit body"), which also creates the framework for the functioning of your mind, is maintained by the Breath of God.
 
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There is no scriptural evidence whatsoever for the idea of an immortal soul. By Der Alters own count, there are 459 references to the soul in the bible. None of them indicate the souls immortality. None of them even come close. And, as a matter of fact, quite a few of these passages clearly state that the soul can, does, and will die. Ezekiel 18:20 states that the soul that sins shall die. Matthew 10:28 clearly states that the soul can be destroyed along with the body. There are many other passages that speak of souls perishing, being destroyed ect.....But not a single passage even remotely indicates that the soul is immortal. Not sure what else to say
I appreciate you mentioning my post but I think I need to point out that the verses you mentioned above do not support your argument. Ezek 18:20 is not about literal "souls" dying or being destroyed but persons dying for their own sins not the sins of another just as "souls" refers to persons in Gen 46:15 and Lev 6:2 and many other verses, and not literal souls.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Genesis 46:15 These be the sons of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob in Padanaram, with his daughter Dinah: all the souls of his sons and his daughters were thirty and three.
Leviticus 6:2 If a soul sin, and commit a trespass against the LORD, and lie unto his neighbour in that which was delivered him to keep, or in fellowship, or in a thing taken away by violence, or hath deceived his neighbour;
Literal "souls" do not sin, commit a trespass or lie, people do.
Your other text Matt 10:28 also does not support your argument. This verse says that God is able to destroy the "soul." There is no disagreement that whatever God created He can certainly destroy but neither this verse nor any other says that even one soul will be or has been destroyed in hell.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 
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It is not clear if the lake of fire continues, or if hades and the lake itself ends.
It would seem if all was cleansed and finished, then having a lake of fire
would be out of character for the final state.
It's actually super clear what the lake of fire is.
if you believe creation's account in genesis 1, as beleivable by ANY quantum physics student around the world. (ask them to consider the dimensions of existence).
1D = lengths (wavelength)
2D = surface Genesis 1:10 (x-axis and y axis Genesis 1:6)
4D=time Genesis 1:14
5D=single moment's alternate futures (fish turns left or right).
6D= multiple 5D moments, consider a plan ... many plans many possible potential futures.
7D= many futures = divine laws.

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then you see the coward has his place in the lake of fire (in rev 21).
consider a cowards future, if the coward is a child, then he has many possible alternative futures a head of him.
but a coward for fear, does nothing.
hence his future is put into the lake of fire.


so if you consider that a coward's future life goes into the lake of fire. but by the word "coward" alone, some part of himself, that which is present to define him, exists.

then consider 2 Peter 3, in terms of 2 futures. and the fire.

if you'd like to see a movie-equivalent of this concept, have a look at Stephen King's Langoliers.
please ask if you want me to explain genesis 1 properly, i spent the last 360+ days daily telling people. with not so much as a single, rebuttal, and many agreements/apologies. so ... sabattical.
 
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Mortals do have souls, but they are not immortal souls. Souls are only present in living beings weather they be angels or humans. The teaching that the soul returns to GOD, upon death is a teaching that humans have an immortal soul because the soul did not die only the physical body died. If the soul does not die then it is immortal and that makes the following statements a LIE

1 Corinthians 15:53-55 King James Version (KJV)
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1 Timothy 6:15-17 King James Version (KJV)
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

The immortal soul teaching is from satan as he told Eve "you shall surly not die" which is in contrast to what GOD Said "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Satan said" For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

So the Immortal soul teaching makes you equal with GOD according to Satan. Sounds like a Morman teaching to me.

We who are saved will become immortal with the coming of the lord and the first resurrection.

If my GOD can create the whole universe by speaking, which he did, he can give my being back to me after death and resurrection. For the saved and the lost, one eternal life the other to the Lake of Fire to be consumed.
Weird how that original Edenic lie took hold and seems to persist isn't it?
 
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Weird how that original Edenic lie took hold and seems to persist isn't it?
Depends on what you consider the "Edenic lie" and how you think it persists. This argument is often misused trying to support the hell, no position.
 
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Mortals do have souls, but they are not immortal souls. Souls are only present in living beings weather they be angels or humans. The teaching that the soul returns to GOD, upon death is a teaching that humans have an immortal soul because the soul did not die only the physical body died. If the soul does not die then it is immortal and that makes the following statements a LIE.
In Isaiah 14 there is a long passage about the king of Babylon dying, and according to many the dead know nothing. They are supposedly annihilated, destroyed, gone! But God, Himself, speaking, these dead people in שאול/sheol, know something, they move, meet the dead coming to sheol, stir up, raise up, speak and say, etc.
Isa 14:9-11 (KJV)
9)
Hell [שאול] from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10) All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11) Thy pomp is brought down to the grave,
[שאול] and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
[ . . . ]
22) For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
In this passage God, himself is speaking, and I see a whole lot of shaking going on, moving, rising up, and speaking in . These dead people seem to know something, about something. We know that verses 11 through 14 describe actual historical events, the death of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon.
Some will try to argue that this passage is figurative because fir trees don’t literally rejoice, vs. 8. They will try to argue that the passage must be figurative since God told Israel “take up this proverb against the king of Babylon.” vs. 4. The occurrence of one figurative expression in a passage does not prove that anything else in the passage is figurative. The Hebrew word משׁל/mashal translated “proverb” does not necessarily mean something is fictional. For example Israel did not become fictional when God made them a mashal/proverb in 2 Chron 7:20, Ps 44:14, and Jer 24:9.

Here is another passage where God himself is speaking and people who are dead in sheol, speaking, being ashamed, comforted, etc.
Ezek 32:18-22, 30-31 (KJV)
18) Son of man, [Ezekiel] wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit.
19) Whom dost thou pass in beauty? go down, and be thou laid with the uncircumcised.
20) They shall fall in the midst of them that are slain by the sword: she is delivered to the sword: draw her and all her multitudes.
21) The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell [שאול] with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword.
22) Asshur is there and all her company: his graves are about him: all of them slain, fallen by the sword::[ . . . ]
Eze 32:30-31
(30) There be the princes of the north, all of them, and all the Zidonians, which are gone down with the slain; with their terror they are ashamed of their might; and they lie uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword, and bear their shame with them that go down to the pit.
(31) Pharaoh shall see them, and shall be comforted over all his multitude, even Pharaoh and all his army slain by the sword, saith the Lord GOD.
Jesus speaking, a dead man in Hades had eyes, a tongue and was in torment, saw Abraham, “cried and said,” asked for water, begged Abraham, etc.
Luk 16:22-28
(22) And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
(23) And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
(24) And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
(25) But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
(26) And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
(27) Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
(28) For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
All these passages describe the wicked dead having some kind of conscious existence after death.
 
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36 What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?

--Mark 8:36 NIV


What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?

--Matthew 16:26 NIV


Jesus is speaking in both of these verses. If you don't believe in an immortal soul, what is Jesus talking about here? He is not talking about physical death but about the condition of the soul in eternity.
 
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In Isaiah 14 there is a long passage about the king of Babylon dying, and according to many the dead know nothing. They are supposedly annihilated, destroyed, gone! But God, Himself, speaking, these dead people in שאול/sheol, know something, they move, meet the dead coming to sheol, stir up, raise up, speak and say, etc.
Isa 14:9-11 (KJV)
9)
Hell [שאול] from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10) All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11) Thy pomp is brought down to the grave,
[שאול] and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
[ . . . ]
22) For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
In this passage God, himself is speaking, and I see a whole lot of shaking going on, moving, rising up, and speaking in . These dead people seem to know something, about something. We know that verses 11 through 14 describe actual historical events, the death of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon.
Some will try to argue that this passage is figurative because fir trees don’t literally rejoice, vs. 8. They will try to argue that the passage must be figurative since God told Israel “take up this proverb against the king of Babylon.” vs. 4. The occurrence of one figurative expression in a passage does not prove that anything else in the passage is figurative. The Hebrew word משׁל/mashal translated “proverb” does not necessarily mean something is fictional. For example Israel did not become fictional when God made them a mashal/proverb in 2 Chron 7:20, Ps 44:14, and Jer 24:9.

Here is another passage where God himself is speaking and people who are dead in sheol, speaking, being ashamed, comforted, etc.
Ezek 32:18-22, 30-31 (KJV)
18) Son of man, [Ezekiel] wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit.
19) Whom dost thou pass in beauty? go down, and be thou laid with the uncircumcised.
20) They shall fall in the midst of them that are slain by the sword: she is delivered to the sword: draw her and all her multitudes.
21) The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell [שאול] with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword.
22) Asshur is there and all her company: his graves are about him: all of them slain, fallen by the sword::[ . . . ]
Eze 32:30-31
(30) There be the princes of the north, all of them, and all the Zidonians, which are gone down with the slain; with their terror they are ashamed of their might; and they lie uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword, and bear their shame with them that go down to the pit.
(31) Pharaoh shall see them, and shall be comforted over all his multitude, even Pharaoh and all his army slain by the sword, saith the Lord GOD.
Jesus speaking, a dead man in Hades had eyes, a tongue and was in torment, saw Abraham, “cried and said,” asked for water, begged Abraham, etc.
Luk 16:22-28
(22) And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
(23) And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
(24) And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
(25) But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
(26) And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
(27) Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
(28) For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
All these passages describe the wicked dead having some kind of conscious existence after death.

I found a lie in the Bible
Ecclesiastes 9:5-7 King James Version (KJV)
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

And another
Psalm 146 King James Version (KJV)
146 Praise ye the Lord. Praise the Lord, O my soul.
2 While I live will I praise the Lord: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being.
3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

and another
Psalm 115 King James Version (KJV)
17 The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.

So you are taking Luke 16 literally when it is a parable.
How big is Abraham's bosom, can it hold all that are saved? Can the drop of water on the tip of a finger quench thirst that is in flames? Either it is all literal or it is a parable.

The Jews believed that you pop of to heaven when you die that is why Jesus told the parable so they would understand.
 
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36 What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?

--Mark 8:36 NIV


What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?

--Matthew 16:26 NIV


Jesus is speaking in both of these verses. If you don't believe in an immortal soul, what is Jesus talking about here? He is not talking about physical death but about the condition of the soul in eternity.

It does not say immortal soul. That happens at the resurrection when Jesus brings his rewards with him.
 
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Depends on what you consider the "Edenic lie" and how you think it persists. This argument is often misused trying to support the hell, no position.
The Edenic lie was that we don't really die. In short, that God was lying to Adam and Eve when he told them that they would die. At least that's what my bible says.

How do I think that it persists? Well, it persists because some people agree with that original lie by believing that humans are incapable of dying because they are immortal souls.

What is the "Hell no!"" position?
 
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The Edenic lie was that we don't really die. In short, that God was lying to Adam and Eve when he told them that they would die. At least that's what my bible says.
How do I think that it persists? Well, it persists because some people agree with that original lie by believing that humans are incapable of dying because they are immortal souls.
What is the "Hell no!"" position?
You just described the "hell, no!" position. "There is no hell everybody is saved no matter what" or "the wicked are destroyed, annihilated, no longer existing, etc". I do not know of anyone who believes that people do not die. Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23, Hebrew 9:27 The disagreement comes with what happens next. The wages of sin is death, everyone has sinned, everyone will die but none of the verses cited say "the wages of sin is death, resurrection then death again."
 
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I found a lie in the Bible
Ecclesiastes 9:5-7 King James Version (KJV)
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
And another
Psalm 146 King James Version (KJV)
146 Praise ye the Lord. Praise the Lord, O my soul.
2 While I live will I praise the Lord: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being.
3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
and another
Psalm 115 King James Version (KJV)
17 The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
So you are taking Luke 16 literally when it is a parable.
How big is Abraham's bosom, can it hold all that are saved? Can the drop of water on the tip of a finger quench thirst that is in flames? Either it is all literal or it is a parable.
The Jews believed that you pop of to heaven when you die that is why Jesus told the parable so they would understand.
I don't see any lie. Please explain what you think is a lie? You are mistaken the Jews do not believe you pop of to heaven when you die. And FYI you are quoting Ecclesiastes 9:5-7 out-of-context. It does not say what you think it does.
 
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You just described the "hell, no!" position. "There is no hell everybody is saved no matter what" or "the wicked are destroyed, annihilated, no longer existing, etc". I do not know of anyone who believes that people do not die. Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23, Hebrew 9:27 The disagreement comes with what happens next. The wages of sin is death, everyone has sinned, everyone will die but none of the verses cited say "the wages of sin is death, resurrection then death again."
There are definitely NT scriptures which describe a resurrection after death. The concept of an immortal soul is illustrated in the film Ghost.



 
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I found a lie in the Bible
Ecclesiastes 9:5-7 King James Version (KJV)
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither.
6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
This verse is not about man's eternal fate. Note even as you quoted it "anything done under the sun." If this verse is supposed to be about man's eternal fate then even the righteous "nor have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
How does this writer know about man's etertnal fate when in chapter 3 he did not know what happens to a man's spirit when he dies.

Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
And another
Psalm 146 King James Version (KJV)
146 Praise ye the Lord. Praise the Lord, O my soul.
2 While I live will I praise the Lord: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being.
3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
And another
Psalm 115 King James Version (KJV)
17 The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
The psalmist describing what he can perceive with his natural senses
So you are taking Luke 16 literally when it is a parable.
How big is Abraham's bosom, can it hold all that are saved? Can the drop of water on the tip of a finger quench thirst that is in flames? Either it is all literal or it is a parable.
Wrong! The fact that something might be figurative in a passage does not demand that the entire passage be figurative. For example when Jesus referred to Himself figuratively as a light, a door, a vine, bread etc. did that mean that the thief did not literally come to steal, to kill, and to destroy John 10:10?
Parable means to compare one thing to another. There are several reasons why Luke 16:19-31 is not a parable. It is not introduced as a parable, Jesus does not explain it to His disciples and Jesus refers to an actual historical person, Abraham. In none of the actual parables does Jesus identify a known person. The people mentioned are anonymous; a certain man, a certain landowner, a certain shepherd etc. If Abraham was not in the place stated and did not say the words Jesus quoted, Jesus lied.
Jesus always used something known to His audience e.g. a widow losing money, a shepherd losing sheep etc. to explain a kingdom of heaven truth. What is the known event or circumstances in Luk 16:19-31 and what is the kingdom of heaven truth?
The only events Jesus' audience would have knowledge of is two men living and dying, one rich one a beggar. What kingdom of heaven truth does that clarify? What happens after death was unknown to Jesus' audience.
Abraham's bosom is not a place, it is a position. It is the position of the honored guest at a feast, immediately to the right of the host.
If someone was being tormented in flames one would not expect logical, coherent conversation from them. Begging for even a drop of water might be expected.

 
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I used the word continously :) . Yes God gives Life to all things, but it is not continous. If it was continous, then all things would be immortal and all things are not. At least in a physical sense. So Butch5, why do we get old and die if God is breathing life into us? He breathes life into us to start us, but from there everything begins to run down. Sometimes faster and sometimes slower. Butch5, what I find interesting is your concept of God being "breath" and when He moved His Spirit over the deep it was His breath that moved over the deep to create movement in the non movement of the deep. And we are made up of this moving deep, matter and energy (the deep in movement), as is all of the rest of creation.

The concept of Spirit as an energy body doesn't really make sense when it comes to doing what Genesis said God did, but the concept of Breath and Breathe does make sense :) ! At least to me as a person with over sixty years of Christian mystic experience day in and day out. Lord Jesus said the He was in the Father and that the Father was in Him and that He was in us. And when one adds the concept of God being "Breath" it all makes sense. And it also makes sense when Lord Jesus said that He was the Waters of Life and that we can drink from Him. Because, He is the Breath of God. I also have over forty years of studying yogi traditions and the physics of yoga science and what they teach is that you become one with something and you become that something. But that is not what Lord Jesus was teaching :) if one understands that spirit is, at least relative to God, Breath and Breathing. The object is not to become at one with God, the object is to, through Christ Jesus, to be in a state of being where the Breath of God moves/breathes within you.

Once you take the concept of Spirit as an energy body out of the equation and replace it with the concept of God being Breath and To Breathe it all makes sense. The origional cause that created Creation, the Breath of God, is continously at work within you. The movement within the energy matrix that is your physical body and energy body (commonly known a "spirit body"), which also creates the framework for the functioning of your mind, is maintained by the Breath of God.



Gen.7:22. (N.A.S.) of all that was on the dry land, all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, died.



Translit Hebrew English Morph
3605 [e] kōl כֹּ֡ל all Noun
834 [e] ’ă-šer אֲשֶׁר֩ that [had] Prt
5397 [e] niš-maṯ- נִשְׁמַת־. the breath Noun
7307 [e] rū-aḥ ר֨וּחַ. of the spirit Noun
2416 [e] ḥay-yîm חַיִּ֜ים. of life Adj
639 [e] bə-’ap-pāw, בְּאַפָּ֗יו. in the nostrils Noun
3605 [e] mik-kōl מִכֹּ֛ל. of all Noun
834 [e] ’ă-šer אֲשֶׁ֥ר. that [was] Prt
2724 [e] be-ḥā-rā-ḇāh בֶּחָֽרָבָ֖ה. in the dry [land] Noun
4191 [e] mê-ṯū. מֵֽתוּ׃. died Verb


Breath of the Spirit of Life.


Peace.
 
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Gen.7:22. (N.A.S.) of all that was on the dry land, all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, died.



Translit Hebrew English Morph
3605 [e] kōl כֹּ֡ל all Noun
834 [e] ’ă-šer אֲשֶׁר֩ that [had] Prt
5397 [e] niš-maṯ- נִשְׁמַת־. the breath Noun
7307 [e] rū-aḥ ר֨וּחַ. of the spirit Noun
2416 [e] ḥay-yîm חַיִּ֜ים. of life Adj
639 [e] bə-’ap-pāw, בְּאַפָּ֗יו. in the nostrils Noun
3605 [e] mik-kōl מִכֹּ֛ל. of all Noun
834 [e] ’ă-šer אֲשֶׁ֥ר. that [was] Prt
2724 [e] be-ḥā-rā-ḇāh בֶּחָֽרָבָ֖ה. in the dry [land] Noun
4191 [e] mê-ṯū. מֵֽתוּ׃. died Verb


Breath of the Spirit of Life.


Peace.

Hi One Son and welcome to the message board! 7307 "ruwach" in Hebrew means "air that is being breathed or air for breathing or breath". 7306 "ruwach" means to blow, to breath. And 7308 "ruwach" is an Arabic word that means wind, mind, and "spirit". "Ruwach" as spirit is Arabic and not Hebrew.
 
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Hi One Son and welcome to the message board! 7307 "ruwach" in Hebrew means "air that is being breathed or air for breathing or breath". 7306 "ruwach" means to blow, to breath. And 7308 "ruwach" is an Arabic word that means wind, mind, and "spirit". "Ruwach" as spirit is Arabic and not Hebrew.


Strong's Concordance
5397. neshamah

neshamah: breath
Original Word: נְשָׁמָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: neshamah
Phonetic Spelling: (nesh-aw-maw')
Short Definition: breath
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from nasham
Definition
breath
NASB Translation
blast (2), breath (15), breathes (1), life (1), persons alive (1), spirit (2), who breathed (3).


Breath of the Spirit of Life.


Peace.
 
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