The reason why Hillary lost.

I think Hillary Lost because her rich Muslim donors in the Middle East did not give her enough money.

Raggedyman said:

Is God sovereign in the lives of men? Would He have had to send his son to die if He was sovereign

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Not sure exactly what you are trying to say. God is sovereign in the universe. He sent His Son to die for sinners because He also gave mankind the ability to make moral choices, and the whole human race is now guilty before God.

Oafman said:

Don't get carried away. This is the dying gasp of a declining demographic. A section of society determined to get their privilege back. They can do so for 4, or maybe even 8 years. But after that, white supremacy will never win another election in America. Within a few decades you'll have a victory speech in Spanish. And the sections of society you've mistreated are going to be out for revenge.

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Are you one of them? Revenge huh? You sound a little scary.

Alithis said:

that ,, and she lost because most did not vote for her .. (yeah its a "duh" moment for me haha )

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Actually, more people did vote for her than for Trump. Our election system, however, relies on a state-by-state vote with states having votes in the electoral college and he won that.

Job8 said:

Not sure exactly what you are trying to say. God is sovereign in the universe. He sent His Son to die for sinners because He also gave mankind the ability to make moral choices, and the whole human race is now guilty before God.

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Absolutely. Gods sovereignty means he has control over everything, but chooses not to control everything. The thing is we don't know what is going to happen from here on out. Trump could be used by God to bring about a move to righteousness in America. But he could also,be used by God to bring about the destruction of America because of her wickedness. He could have done the same with Clinton. This will be an interesting ride.

rjs330 said:

He could have done the same with Clinton.

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People should learn to make a clear distinction between a criminal and a businessman. Clinton should have been DISQUALIFIED even before she entered the race. Nobody from the Establishment wanted to face this truth.

Job8 said:

Clinton should have been DISQUALIFIED even before she entered the race.

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On the basis of a bunch of innuendo in far right media? Or is there a particular criminal conviction, you know, in... say... a court of law, which you'd like to draw our attention to?

rjs330 said:

Absolutely. Gods sovereignty means he has control over everything, but chooses not to control everything. The thing is we don't know what is going to happen from here on out. Trump could be used by God to bring about a move to righteousness in America. But he could also,be used by God to bring about the destruction of America because of her wickedness. He could have done the same with Clinton. This will be an interesting ride.

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On that we are in agreement.

jimmyjimmy said:

What this means is that most of the US is NOT Liberal. We don't like killing babies, having men in women's bathrooms, and all of the other lunacy of the Left.

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I have friends who have an infant with chromosomes of one gender and physical parts of the other. I'd like to know what your solution is for them and others in their situation. How should they raise their child? How should that child identify itself? What bathroom should their child use as it grows older? How should their church treat them? How should they respond to statements such as yours?

This is not "lunacy" - this is reality. And frankly, I'm getting tired of people such as yourself who can sit in the quiet, easy comfort of their ignorance and decree solutions that ignore the difficult realities that certain groups face.

jimmyjimmy said:

What this means is that most of the US is NOT Liberal. We don't like killing babies, having men in women's bathrooms, and all of the other lunacy of the Left.

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It's because you think our side of the country is crazy that we think your side is deplorable.

Oafman said:

On the basis of a bunch of innuendo in far right media? Or is there a particular criminal conviction, you know, in... say... a court of law, which you'd like to draw our attention to?

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Read what Comey said initially, but then failed to charge Hillary. Also read what Comey said later, and then once again let her off the hook (probably under threat of extinction).

Rodite said:

Trump gave voters a reason to for for.

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Yes, a reason to vote for Hillary. That's what Trump gave.

Von Clownstick had two things going for him: he managed to pull out the absolute most deplorable elements of American society and legitimize it, and he made Hillary Clinton look like an absolute godsend by comparison. Unfortunately the former beat the latter, and now we're stuck with Von Clownstick for four years.

To the rest of the world, as an American, let me just say, I'm sorry.

-CryptoLutheran

LoAmmi said:

Actually, more people did vote for her than for Trump. Our election system, however, relies on a state-by-state vote with states having votes in the electoral college and he won that.

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yup and she didnt so ..same same . i dont vote ..not from usa

ViaCrucis said:

Yes, a reason to vote for Hillary. That's what Trump gave.

Von Clownstick had two things going for him: he managed to pull out the absolute most deplorable elements of American society and legitimize it, and he made Hillary Clinton look like an absolute godsend by comparison. Unfortunately the former beat the latter, and now we're stuck with Von Clownstick for four years.

To the rest of the world, as an American, let me just say, I'm sorry.

-CryptoLutheran

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I hope you didn't interpret my post to be subjective, because I was being fully objective. Like it or not, once each party's canidates were decided, Hillary's approach was to give people something to vote against, Trump. And for an audience that was receptive of Trump, he was giving them somethign to vote for.

In fact, you proved my point. For a Hillary supporter, Trump gave you a d*** good reason to vote against. Trump voters came out of the woodworks because they were fighting for a cause.

Of course this is broad and generalized. Of course for most people voting against Trump was something to fight for. But the results of the election and comparing Hillary against Obama makes it pretty clear that she shouldn't have taken that route.
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P.S. I'm not a Trump supporter.

Oafman said:

Don't get carried away. This is the dying gasp of a declining demographic. A section of society determined to get their privilege back. They can do so for 4, or maybe even 8 years. But after that, white supremacy will never win another election in America. Within a few decades you'll have a victory speech in Spanish. And the sections of society you've mistreated are going to be out for revenge.

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That scenario is extremely hard to visualize. Tell me, did Obama being in office result in AAs who were and still feel they are are mistreated getting their revenge? All I saw were complaints about how the black president seemed distantly oblivious to their needs. So why would a black, Mestizo, white, or any other type of Latino president supposedly make a difference? If Obamas hands were tied, then a Latino president's hands would be shackled in the same 'very efficient manner.

LET'S BE REAL

1) Clinton made no effort to appeal to those who hated the idea of a black president, and those believed that Washington had taken away their jobs and ailtotpgiven them to Chinese, Mexicans and immigrants.
f2) Clinton failed to understand that the pro-Nazi slogan of the 30's (Make Amercian Great Again) would find so many supporters, and bring rural and disadvantaged whites out in great numbers.

3) Clinton failed to repair the damage done by the Sanders people above the working white poor in the Rust Belt. Sanders did EXTREME damage in PA, MI, WI and MN. Clinton didn't even bother showing up in WI, not once. She dimply assumed that WI would be solidly Democratic, even though they had elected the Republican speaker of the house, a Republican governor, and the head of Republican National Committee (who ran the campaign for Republicans, other than the president who ran his now campaign).

BOTTOM LINE
On the day Trump was nominated, it was clear that Trump had a narrow path. He needed to win FL and OH. And he needed to win PA and another Democratic state (Iowa was the one). If he lost NC, he would have need one more rust belt state. Please understand, that if Clinton paid attention and took PA, MI, WI and MN, Trump really had no chance.

The white underclass thought that Clinton didn't care about them, and they were mCCain..

In the end, over 60% of those who voted, thought that Trump is unqualified.

In the end, Sanders DEMOCRATS simply stayed home. I believe that Trump got fewer votes than Romney or McCain.

ViaCrucis said:

Yes, a reason to vote for Hillary. That's what Trump gave.

Von Clownstick had two things going for him: he managed to pull out the absolute most deplorable elements of American society and legitimize it, and he made Hillary Clinton look like an absolute godsend by comparison. Unfortunately the former beat the latter, and now we're stuck with Von Clownstick for four years.

To the rest of the world, as an American, let me just say, I'm sorry.

-CryptoLutheran

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Are you calling people who voted for Trump, deplorable?

jimmyjimmy said:

Are you calling people who voted for Trump, deplorable?

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Well some, I imagine, are good people.

-CryptoLutheran